From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: UK NHS £10bn project failure Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 21 Sep 2013 07:58:29 -0700jwglists@GMAIL.COM (John Gilmore) writes:
Spies Like Us
http://www.investingdaily.com/17693/spies-like-us/
from above:
Private contractors like Booz Allen now reportedly garner 70 percent
of the annual $80 billion intelligence budget and supply more than
half of the available manpower.
... snip ...
How Booz Allen Hamilton Swallowed Washington
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-23/visualizing-how-booz-allen-hamilton-swallowed-washington
increasing privatizing of intelligence by for-profit companies focused
on ever increasing quarterly profits. News is that spying on ex's is so
common they even have name for it ... why wouldn't for-profit employees
also be involved in industrial espionage? BAH case
http://washingtontechnology.com/articles/2012/02/08/booz-allen-air-force-debarment.aspx
note in the wake of this Success of Failure incident, congress put the
agency on probation and not allowed to manage its own efforts ... but
that may have just been ploy for further privatizng.
http://www.govexec.com/excellence/management-matters/2007/04/the-success-of-failure/24107/
even some IBM connection, the head of IBM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_V._Gerstner,_Jr.
leaves and becomes chairman of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlyle_Group
which then does private equity buyout of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booz_Allen_Hamilton
past posts mentioning former head of IBM
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#gerstner
slightly related
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#55 "NSA foils much internet encryption"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#56 "NSA foils much internet encryption"
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: OT: NYT article--the rich get richer Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 14:04:12 -0400Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> writes:
some of that happened during the S&L crisis as well as hundreds doing jail time ... but not this time.
Lehman collapse anniv. bringing out other articles
Robert Prasch: The "Lessons" that Wall Street, Treasury, and the White
House Need You to Believe About the Lehman Collapse
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/09/robert-prasch-the-lessons-that-wall-street-treasury-and-the-white-house-need-you-to-believe-about-the-lehman-collapse.html
Inequality Makes Democracy Impossible
http://www.thenation.com/blog/176272/inequality-makes-democracy-impossible
The Charmed Life of a Big Time Bankster
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/09/20/the-charmed-life-of-a-big-time-bankster/
posts mentioning too big to fail, too big to prosecute, too big to
jail
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail
more S&L discussion in this thread
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#26 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#29 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#52 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#57 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment
other recent posts mentioning S&L crisis
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#0 IBM Is Changing The Terms Of Its Retirement Plan, Which Is Frustrating Some Employees
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#49 Insider Fraud: What to Monitor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#68 Choice of Mary Jo White to Head SEC Puts Fox In Charge of Hen House
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#35 Adair Turner: A New Debt-Free Money Advocate
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#41 Adair Turner: A New Debt-Free Money Advocate
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#44 Adair Turner: A New Debt-Free Money Advocate
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#46 Bankers Who Made Millions In Housing Boom Misled Investors: Study
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#50 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#53 Should Bethany McLean Be Bothered by the Government Lawsuit Against S&P?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#25 Senator Sherrod Brown Drops a Bombshell in Mary Jo White's Hearing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#64 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#68 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#70 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#46 Secrecy for Sale: Inside the Global Offshore Money Maze
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#86 What Makes a thread about the European debt crisis Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#48 OT: "Highway Patrol" back on TV
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#65 OT: "Highway Patrol" back on TV
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#18 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#29 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#30 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#61 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#73 Why DOJ Deemed Bank Execs Too Big To Jail
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#80 Why DOJ Deemed Bank Execs Too Big To Jail
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#32 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#35 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#41 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#43 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#54 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#59 John Boyd's Art of War
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#86 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#87 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#2 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#8 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#9 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#57 What the Orgy of "Lehman Five Years On" Stories Missed
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#58 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: UK NHS £10bn project failure Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 22 Sep 2013 08:44:49 -0700re:
a little x-over from financial cryptography blog
The Anatomy of an NSA intervention -- NIST & RSA fingered as breached
http://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001446.html
from above:
It is now almost good enough to take to a jury -- the NSA perverted the
public standards process, and convinced at least one major supplier of
crypto tools to weaken customer's infrastructure by using that flawed
standard.
...
Then, within the week, NIST declared itself extremely uncomfortable with
the flawed standard, and recommended against it. A couple of days later,
RSA announced it was pulling that product.
... snip ...
references this
A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: The Many Flaws of
Dual_EC_DRBG
http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2013/09/the-many-flaws-of-dualecdrbg.html
and
RSA Tells Its Developer Customers: Stop Using NSA-Linked Algorithm
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/rsa-advisery-nsa-algorithm/
disclaimer: I was involved in the creation of early electronic commerce and have been inolved in other cryptography for financial operations.
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: Lending is still lagging according to Reuters. Why do you think that is? Date: 22 Sep 2013 Blog: Google+re:
Analysis: Time to taper? Not if you look at bank loans
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/18/us-usa-fed-banks-analysis-idUSBRE98H0WB20130918
Five Years After the Financial Crisis, The Big Banks Are Still
Committing Massive Crimes
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-09-20/5-years-after-financial-crisis-big-banks-are-still-committing-massive-crimes
from above:
The big banks no longer do very much traditional banking. Most of
their business is from financial speculation. For example, less than
10% of Bank of America's assets come from traditional banking
deposits. Instead, they are mainly engaged in financial speculation
and derivatives. (and see this)
The big banks have slashed lending since they were bailed out by
taxpayers ... while smaller banks have increased lending. See this,
this and this
A huge portion of the banks' profits comes from taxpayer bailouts. For
example, 77% of JP Morgan's net income comes from taxpayer subsidies
... snip ...
from a couple years ago:
Geithner, Bernanke have little in arsenal to fight new crisis
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/geithner-bernanke-have-little-in-arsenal-to-fight-new-crisis/2011/08/12/gIQAFuFvFJ_story.html
Banks Awash in Cash, Which Isn't Good News
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2011/10/banks-awash-in-cash-which-isnt-good-news.html
The Bernanke testimony was that Fed Reserve made $16T in (free) loans to too-big-to-fail anticipating they would reloan to mainstreet (economic stimulus) ... but they didn't (and he had no way to force them to loan to mainstreet) ... FEDs also bought more in toxic assets from too-big-to-fail (at 98cents on the dollar) than had been appropriated in the original TARP funds (TARP funds were originally appropriated to buy toxic assets, but the amount appropriated was insufficient to deal with the magnitude of the problem even at market price of 22cents on the dollar, however buying at market price would have also resulted in the too-big-to-fail being declared insolvent and would have had to be liquidated).
When Bernanke first found that too-big-to-fail weren't lending to mainstreet as expected (instead using the money for speculation and gambling) ... he could have cut the free money at that point.
...
past posts mentioning Bernanke
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#bernanke
past posts mentioning too big to fail
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail
Note just now they had a former president on morning talk show saying studies show that repeal of Glass-Steagall wasn't the cause of the economic crisis. However, the repeal of Glass-Steagall resulted in fraudulent behavior contaminating regulated depository institutions as well as the rise of too-big-to-fail, and contributed to the lack of prosecution and shutting down those institution (and the related fraudulent activity)
past posts mentioning Glass-Steagall
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#Pecora&/orGlass-Steagall
Made the whole TARP thing public obfuscation and misdirection ... instead of being used to purchase toxic assets (which would have exposed the too big to fail as insolvent) ... it was positioned as a "loan" ... behind the scenes fed then were providing tens of trillions in free loans as well as purchasing the toxic assets at 98cents on the dollar, The tens of trillions in free loans was possibly never expected to be loaned to mainstreet ... used in gambling and speculation scams ... and the proceeds then used for public payoff of TARP as well as enormous bonuses (FED fought in the courts for a year trying to prevent exposing what it was doing behind the scenes).
Warren Buffett: "The Fed Is The Greatest Hedge Fund In History"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-22/warren-buffett-fed-greatest-hedge-fund-history
Buffett Calls Fed History's Greatest Hedge Fund
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-20/buffett-says-federal-reserve-is-greatest-hedge-fund-in-history.html
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: OT: NYT article--the rich get richer Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 10:42:16 -0400Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
there were past studies showing investment houses were really behind move off corporate plans to individual 401Ks because they were able to charge higher fees for individual plans (so aggregate income from lots of individual 401Ks was much higher than single large corporate plan). Also individuals were less sophisticated so the investment houses had more ways to game the system for even more revenue. even more
Researchers Have Found A New Sleazy Side To 401(K)s
http://www.businessinsider.com/researchers-have-found-a-new-sleazy-side-to-401ks-2013-9
from above:
Most 401(k) plans are fraught with conflicts of interest and plagued
with expensive, actively managed funds that typically underperform
comparable index funds over the long term.
... snip ...
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Voyager 1 just left the solar system using less computing powerthan your iP Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:49:35 -0400Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes:
3270s were half-duplex ... each typed character was sent up the coax to the controller ... if the characters were coming down the coax for screen write ... there was no place for characters being type to go ... and so the keyboard locked ... and required hitting reset to unlock it (the keyboard wasn't locked/unlocked with the screen write ... the keyboard would lock if you happened to hit key while the screen was being written ... and then required hitting reset key to unlock the keyboard).
there was enough electronics in 3277 terminal ... that it was possible to build a small fifo box ... unplug the 3277 keyboard for the head, plug in the fifo box and then plug in the 3277 keyboard into the fifo. the fifo whould hold typed characters if the coax was busy with incoming characters. later on PCs with emulated terminal ... it was possible to get lot more sophisticated with improved human factors.
for 3274/3278, a lot of the electronics in the terminal were moved back into the shared controller (reducing manufacturing cost of 3278 compared to 3277), including some additional keyboard electronics ... and eliminated the ability to put fifo in the keyboard path ... lots of the keyboard stuff had to go over the coax all the way back to the controller. this greatly increased the protocol chatter on the coax as well as introducing latency delays.
this was part of motivation of our complaints to 3274/3278 product owner about it being much worse for interactive computing (compared to 3272/3277) ... and the eventual reply that 3274/3278 was targeted for data entry market (i.e. computerized keypunch) and *not* for interactive computing.
previously reference this thread in ibm-main about mainframe terminals
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#25 Teletypewriter Model 33
which also references this past post with old 1980 era peformance
comparison of 3272/3277 & 3274/3278
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#19 3270 protocol
this post about former co-worker leaving and getting funding to do a
clone controller that would attempt to mask some of the worst human
factors of TSO ... trying to make it appear much closer to CMS ...
however, it was obsoleted with the rise of terminal emulation on PCs.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#59 Teletypewriter Model 33
above also mention some old MIPS, SUN, Java, etc. folklore
this post in the ibm-main thread
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#44 Teletypewriter Model 33
references (frequently repeated) story about senior disk engineer
getting talk (on 3174 performance) scheduled at the world-wide,
annual, internal communication group conference ... and opened the
talk with the statement that the communication group was going to be
responsible for the demise of the disk division. The communication
group had stranglehold on datacenter with its corporate strategic
*ownership* of everything that crossed the datacenter walls. The
communication group was desperately trying preserve its (emulated)
dumb terminal install base and fight off client/server and distributed
computing. The disk division was seeing the communication group
stranglehold on the datacenter with drop and disk sales (data fleeing
the datacenter to more distributed computing friendly platforms). The
disk division had come up with several solutions to address the
problem, but they were constantly being vetoed by the communication
group. past posts mentioning the (emulated) dumb terminal paradigm
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#terminal
3174 support for token-ring lan still tried to maintain the dumb terminal facade. the growing use of 3270 coax with runs from datacenter throughput buildings to each desktop was starting to exceed building floor loading limits (with the weight of the coax cables). token-ring lan was positioned to not move into modern computing ... but preserve dumb terminal paradigm ... only being used to address the coax weight problem.
we took a lot of arrows in the back (from communication group) for
pushing ethernet, distributed computing, and coming up with 3-tier
network architecture and making presentations to customer executives
on all the pieces
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#3tier
an example was that corporate 16mbit token-ring cards were built with design point of 300+ terminals sharing the same bandwidth, with each terminal only needing bandwidth to do dumb terminal emulation. The (risc) PC/RT had done their own (16bit pc/at bus) 4mbit token-ring card. However the RS/6000 had (32bit) microchannel and were told by corporate that they couldn't do their own cards and had to use PS2 cards. The PS2 16mbit token-ring card had lower per-card throughput than the PC/RT 4mbit token-ring card. A PC/RT 4mbit t/r server would have higher throughput than RS/6000 16mbit t/r server. The RS/6000 was severely hamstrung being forced to use all PS2 microchannel cards.
other posts in the ibm-main thread:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#20 Teletypewriter Model 33
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#21 Teletypewriter Model 33
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#22 Teletypewriter Model 33
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#23 Teletypewriter Model 33
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#24 Teletypewriter Model 33
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#33 Teletypewriter Model 33
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#35 Teletypewriter Model 33
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#46 Teletypewriter Model 33
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Voyager 1 just left the solar system using less computing powerthan your iP Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 13:01:00 -0400re:
mid-80s top executives were predicting ibm worldwide revenue would double from $60B to $120B ... primarily based on mainframe sales (there was massive internal building program to double mainframe hardware manufacturing capacity). however the communication group stranglehold on the datacenter was already showing signs that wouldn't happen (and it wasn't particularly career enhancing to point it out).
the downward slope with going into the red in the early 90s ... probably
also contributed to the games played with retirement plans ... cited
here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181019074906/http://www.ibmemployee.com/RetirementHeist.shtml
recent posts mentioning above:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#60 Retirement Heist
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#63 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#67 OT: NYT article--the rich get riche
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#4 OT: NYT article--the rich get riche
the company was then reorged into the 13 "baby blues" in preparation
for splitting up the company ... before Gerstner was hired away
to resurrect the company
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#gerstner
posts referencing pensions
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#pensions
one of the things large corporations (including IBM) did in the 90s was lobbying for accounting change ... being able to treat pension reserves as asset (boosting value/share, price/share and top executive bonuses).
alliance sued claiming treating pension reserves as asset, makes them
subject to creditors in any bankruptcy
http://www.endicottalliance.org/
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Voyager 1 just left the solar system using less computing powerthan your iP Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 15:14:16 -0400Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes:
IBM was generating lots of FUD about comparisons between 16mbit t/r and 10mbit ethernet. IBM San Jose research was moving into new Almaden bldg which had been wired with lots of CAT4 for t/r ... however, they found that 1) 10mbit ethernet on CAT4 had higher aggregate lan throughput than 16mbit t/r, 2) 10mbit ethernet on CAT4 had lower lan latency than 16mbit t/r, and 3) 10mbit ethernet cards had higher per card throughput than 16mbit t/r cards,
About this time, the price for high-performance ethernet cards capable of sustained 8.5mbit/sec throughput was dropping to $69/card.
old 3-tier
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#3tier
throughput and pricing comparison with t&r (used in customer executive
presentation) ... heavily skewed in favor t/r
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002q.html#40 ibm time machine in new york times?
no. machines 100 100 adapters/machine 1 1 no. adapters 100 100 cost/adapter $900 $300 total adapter $90,000 $30,000 router - $70,000 total cost $90,000 $100,000 no. LANs 1 16 router thruput - 200mbit avail. bandwidth 16mbit 160mbit machines/LAN 100 6.25 avg bw/machine .16mbit 1.6mbit $/LAN $90,000 $6,250 $/mbit $5625 $625... snip ...
used $300/card for ethernet instead of $69/card. Used 16mbit for t/r lan thruoughput instead of less than 8mbit (compared to using 10mbit for ethernet which had 8.5mbit throughput). the ethernet router price included the cost of the mainframe channel attach interface ... the t/r price didn't include the cost of 3174 controllers. It gets much worse if extended out to 300 machine configuration that they were targeting for typical token-ring LAN configuration for dumb terminal emulation. Didn't mention that a 16mbit t/r microchannel card was lucky to get 1mbit throughput while $69 enet card was capable of 8.5mbit throughput
recent ethernet threads that includes references to enormous IBM FUD
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#31 Ethernet at 40: Its daddy reveals its turbulent youth
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#32 Ethernet at 40: Its daddy reveals its turbulent youth
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#33 Ethernet at 40: Its daddy reveals its turbulent youth
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#34 Ethernet at 40: Its daddy reveals its turbulent youth
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#40 Ethernet at 40: Its daddy reveals its turbulent youth
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#27 Ethernet at 40: Its daddy reveals its turbulent youth
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#84 Metcalfe's Law: How Ethernet Beat IBM and Changed the World
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#70 Metcalfe's Law: How Ethernet Beat IBM and Changed the World
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#72 Metcalfe's Law: How Ethernet Beat IBM and Changed the World
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#83 Metcalfe's Law: How Ethernet Beat IBM and Changed the World
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: Lending is still lagging according to Reuters. Why do you think that is? Date: 22 Sep 2013 Blog: Financial Crime Risk, Fraud and Securityalso Google+
BERNANKE'S OBFUSCATION CONTINUES: The Fed's $29 Trillion Bail-out of Wall Street
http://www.economonitor.com/lrwray/2011/12/09/bernanke%E2%80%99s-obfuscation-continues-the-fed%E2%80%99s-29-trillion-bail-out-of-wall-street/
Neighborhood Watch Programs Needed Everywhere, To Protect Citizens And
Whole Communities From Rampant WhiteCollar Crime.
http://mikenormaneconomics.blogspot.com/2013/09/neighborhood-watch-programs-needed.html
The economist who predicted the financial crisis just sounded another
alarm-it would be wise to listen this time
http://qz.com/126875/the-economist-who-predicted-the-financial-crisis-just-sounded-another-alarm-it-would-be-wise-to-listen-this-time/
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Voyager 1 just left the solar system using less computing powerthan your iP Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 18:42:10 -0400re:
lets look at more typical target communication group configuration including adjusted LAN rates for both 16mbit T/R and 10mbit enet ... For 16mbit t/r I'm using 5mbit aggregate lan throughput (goes along with old 1988 reference to max. thruput of 3174 was 5mbit). 10mbit ethernet is published 8.5mbit aggregate lan throughput (as well as peak sustained throughput of individual $69 card)
I'm using $40K for the cost of 3174 as channel interface ... I don't have any real reference other than that is what they increased the price on the 8232 to.
no. machines 300 300 300 adapters/machine 1 1 1 no. adapters 300 300 300 cost/adapter $900 $69 $69 total adapter $270,000 $20,700 $20,700 router $40,000* $70,000 $140,000 total cost $310,000 $90,700 $160,700 no. LANs 1 16 32 router thruput - 200mbit 400mbit avail. bandwidth 5mbit 136mbit 272mbit machines/LAN 300 18.75 9.38 avg bw/machine 17kbit 453kbit 907kbit $/LAN $310,000 $5,669 $5,022 $/mbit $62,000 $667 $591...
the enet router costs include the mainframe channel interface. I'm show a 3174 for channel interface (in lieu of router). the t/r costs doesn't include the costs of the required LAN bridges ... aka SNA (and communication group) doesn't support networking so required to use LAN bridges to tie-together all the t/r lan segments ... with bridges spraying all traffic from all segments to all other segments.
added 3rd column is 300 ethernet with two routers ... each supporting 16 enet lans and each with its own mainframe channel interface.
The people that originated mainframe tcp/ip had figured on using 8232 priced at $5k. When the communication group could no longer block it from coming out, they changed tactics and said that since they had corporate strategic responsibility for everything that crosses the datacenter walls, the product had to be released through the communication group ... which resulted in fiddling lots of stuff. (including pricing the 8232 at $40k).
I've referenced before the initial mainframe tcp/ip product got
44kbytes/sec throughput using nearly whole 3090 processor. I did the
changes to support rfc1044 and in some tuning tests at cray research got
sustained channel speed throughput between 4341 and cray using only
modest amount of 4341 processor. some past posts mentioning doing rfc
1044 support
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#1044
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: "NSA foils much internet encryption" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 24 Sep 2013 06:52:25 -0700ip4work@GMAIL.COM (J.P.) writes:
How a Crypto "Backdoor" Pitted the Tech World Against the NSA
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/?p=85661
other recent refs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#0 UK NHS £10bn project failure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#2 UK NHS £10bn project failure
recent posts about long ago and far away realizing that there were 3
kinds of crypto 1) the kind they don't care about, 2) the kind you can't
do and 3) the kind you can only do for them.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#1 IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#31 The Vindication of Barb
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#69 The failure of cyber defence - the mindset is against it
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#77 German infosec agency warns against Trusted Computing in Windows 8
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#88 NSA and crytanalysis
we had been brought in to small client/server startup as consultants because they wanted to do payment transactions on their server; the startup had also invented this technology called "SSL" they wanted to use, the result is now frequently called electronic commerce.
somewhat as a result of having worked on electronic commerce, in the mid-90s we were invited to participate in the x9a10 financial standards working group which had been given the requirement to preserve the integrity of the financial infrastructure for *ALL* retail payments. the result was the x9.59 financial transaction standard.
other experience from the 80s was the internal network (larger than
arpanet/internet from just about hte beginning until sometime
late '85 or early '86)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet
which required all links to be encrypted ... in the mid-80s comment was
that the internal network had more than half of all link encryptors in
the world. there was usually lots of problems with national govs. over
encryption ... especially when links cross national boundaries (and
argument that helped was that the link went solely from one corporate
location to another). old reference to internal network passing 1000
nodes 30yrs ago ... and a list of all corporate locations that had one
or more new nodes added during 1983.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006k.html#8
in any case, the experiences help motivate the direction of x9.59 to be purely authentication and didn't require encryption to hide information. I've periodically commented that the current payment paradigm has problem that account information is effectively used for authentication ... which requires that it be kept confidential and never be divulged ... while at the same time, the same information is required in dozens of business processes at dozens of business processes at millions of locations around the globe. As a result, I've periodically commented that even if the globe was buried under miles of information hiding encryption, that it wouldn't stop information leakage.
In any case, one of the things x9.59 standard did was slightly tweak the current paradigm and separate authentication informaion from business processes information ... eliminating the requirement for information hiding encryption in order to achieve retail payment integrity (which would then also eliminate the major use for "SSL" in the world today ... aka hiding account information in electronic transactions).
In some of the old key escrow meetings ... I would stress that exposing authentication keys was a fundamental security violation ... however there were some quarters that would complain that people might cheat and use authentication keys for encryption purposes.
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: Lending is still lagging according to Reuters. Why do you think that is? Date: 24 Sep 2013 Blog: Financial Crime Risk, Fraud and Securityre:
A couple minutes ago, tv business news is justification for not tapering was that the federal debt is so enormous, tapering would drive the interest rate up ... ballooning the federal debt. However, they could stop the trillions in free money for the too big to fail (some of which is used to buy treasuries and too big to fail makes money on the spread) and use it instead to directly buy treasuries at zero percent interest. That both eliminates the enormous subsidy to the too big to fail and also makes federal debt nearly free (instead of enormous subsidy for too big to fail it would be enormous subsidy for federal gov.)
also:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#3 Lending is still lagging according to Reuters. Why do you think that is?
and
https://plus.google.com/102794881687002297268/posts/Kjx8KieuZr8
https://plus.google.com/102794881687002297268/posts/8a6mYtFqB3D
posts mentioning too big to fail
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: OT: NYT article--the rich get richer Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 15:11:02 -0400re:
besides the ibm specific excerpts at:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181019074906/http://www.ibmemployee.com/RetirementHeist.shtml
i would highly recommend reading the book
https://www.amazon.com/Retirement-Heist-Companies-American-ebook/dp/B003QMLC6K/
lots of big corporations (especially high-tech ones) were claimed to have fully funded pension reserves in the late 80s that would have paid pensions for every employee even if they all lived to 100 ... w/o having to contribute another cent. the culture of top executives started to change ... focused on lots of accounting tricks to loot those reserves. At one point they list a number of (again high-tech) companies when they have just about exhausted every other way of looting the pension reserves ... they figured out how to dump billions of pension obligations into the plans for top executives. supposedly the laws don't allow pensions for a few top executives to be paid out of the plans that are greater than normal workers. The fiddling allowed billions of obligations to be added for a few executives ... and then declare the plan in trouble, requiring normal worker benefits to be reduced (in order to cover the obligations for a few top executives)
Not mentioned in the IBM excerpts (referenced above) was story about how band of IBM workers and retirees in Vermont got the attention of their congressman to try and reverse some of the most egregious changes. There is story about how one of the auditing firms circulated a memo at resulting senate hearing that the stories about the changes were really misleading. However, the opposition then played tapes of employees of the same audit firm giving talks at corporate symposiums about how the changes really cut employee benefits.
Note this congressman shows up again in the commodities & oil
speculation debate. There is chapter in Griftopia about how
speculators gamed the system and caused the oil spike way over $100
the summer of 2008.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#griftopia
AMEX, Private Equity, IBM related Gerstner posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#gerstner
and there is all sorts of attempts to obfuscate and misdirect attention
about what caused the oil price spike. Then the same vermont congressman
releases the oil transaction details supporting the griftopia
account. Subsequent press articles were more about pillaring him for
divulging confidential transaction details than it was supporting
transparency showing market manipulation. a few past posts.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011o.html#61 Civilization, doomed?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012n.html#1 STOP PRESS! An Auditor has been brought to task for a failed bank!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012n.html#20 General Mills computer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#48 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#52 "Highway Patrol" back on TV
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: OT: NYT article--the rich get richer Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 16:06:51 -0400Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
Quelle Surprise! More Proof that the FCIC was a Whitewash, Thanks to
Angelides and Born
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/09/quelle-surprise-more-proof-that-the-fcic-was-a-whitewash-thanks-to-angelides-and-born.html
from above:
At least Bair put up a tenacious fight about Citi, even though Geithner,
an acolyte of its board member Bob Rubin, used every bureaucratic device
he could find to stymie her (Neil Barofsky has separately described how
underhanded and persistent Geithner is, frequently working through cat's
paws). By contrast, another person who tried exposing the extent of the
rot at Citi when it should have been safe to do so, long after the worst
of the crisis was over, found himself blocked by people who were
supposedly tasked with getting to the bottom of the crisis.
... snip ...
other recent references to Rubin and multitude connections to the economic
mess and citibank
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#13 Jack Lew Shows His True Colors By Forcing Deregulation of Derivatives on the CFTC
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#67 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
citi bank one of the too big to fail
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail
referenced article: Was This Whistle-Blower Muzzled?
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/22/opinion/sunday/was-this-whistle-blower-muzzled.html
Sheila Bair
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheila_Bair
and: "Bull by the Horns: Fighting to Save Main Street from Wall Street
and Wall Street from Itself"
https://www.amazon.com/Bull-Horns-Fighting-Street-ebook/dp/B0061Q688A/
past posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012m.html#57 General Mills computer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012m.html#58 General Mills computer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012n.html#55 U.S. Sues Wells Fargo, Accusing It of Lying About Mortgages
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012n.html#57 Bull by the Horns
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#14 OT: Tax breaks to Oracle debated
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#44 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#60 Choice of Mary Jo White to Head SEC Puts Fox In Charge of Hen House
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#90 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
Neil Barofsky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Barofsky
and "An Inside Account of How Washington Abandoned Main Street While
Rescuing Wall Street"
https://www.amazon.com/Bailout-Washington-Abandoned-Rescuing-ebook/dp/B00818J57W/
past posts mentioning Barofsky, trying to oversee TARP, etc
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#86 Study: One in Five Firms Misrepresent Earnings
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#65 Singer Cartons of Punch Cards
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#66 Singer Cartons of Punch Cards
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012p.html#20 HSBC, SCB Agree to AML Penalties
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012p.html#24 OCC Confirms that Big Banks are Badly Managed, Lack Adequate Risk Management Controls
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012p.html#48 Search Google, 1960:s-style
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#4 HSBC's Settlement Leaves Us In A Scary Place
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#28 Neil Barofsky: Geithner Doctrine Lives on in Libor Scandal
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#48 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#5 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#7 LIBOR: Viewing the Biggest Financial Crime in History
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#35 Ex-Bailout Watchdog: JPMorgan's Actions "Entirely Consistent With Fraud"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#42 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#86 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#25 What Makes bank regulation and insurance Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#41 It's a Banker's World
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#86 What Makes a thread about the European debt crisis Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#15 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#46 OT: "Highway Patrol" back on TV
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#50 OT: "Highway Patrol" back on TV
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#61 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#71 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
other past posts in this thread:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#38 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#40 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#42 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#43 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#45 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#47 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#58 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#63 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#68 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#1 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#4 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#12 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: Gilmore response to NSA mathematician's "make rules for NSA" appeal Date: 25 Sep 2013 Blog: Cryptography Mailing ListWe had been asked to come in and help wordsmith the cal. state digital signature act. Several of the parties were involved in privacy issues and also working on Cal. data breach notification act and Cal. opt-in personal information sharing act.
The parties had done extensive public surveys on privacy and the #1
issue was identity theft, namely the form of "account fraud" as result
of data breaches.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#harvest
There was little or nothing being done about this so there was some hope that the publicity from the breach notifications would motivate corrective action. The issue is that normally an entity takes security and countermeasures in self-protection ... the entities suffering the data breaches weren't at risk ... it is the account holders. Since then several Federal breach notification bills have been introduced about evenly divided between having similar notification requirements and Federal "preemption" legislation eliminating requirement for notifications. The federal bills eliminating notifications cite industry specifications call for account encryption (that were formulated after the cal. legislation).
We've periodically commented in the current paradigm, even if the planet was buried under miles of information hiding encryption it still wouldn't stop information leakage. One problem, is account information is basically used for authentication and as such needs to be kept completely confidential and never divulged. However, at the same time, account information is also required in dozens of business processes at millions of location around the world.
The cal. personal information "opt-in" sharing legislation would require institution have record from the individual authorizing sharing of information. However, before the cal legislation passed, an "opt-out" (federal preemption) provision was added to GLBA. GLBA is now better known for the repeal of Glass-Steagall. At the time, the rhetoric in congress was the primary purpose of GLBA was if you already had bank charter you got to keep it, however, if you didn't have a charter, you wouldn't be able to get one (i.e. eliminate new parties from coming in and competing with banks). However, GLBA was loaded up with other features like repeal of Glass-Steagall and the "opt-out" personal information sharing (i.e. the financial institution needed record of person declining sharing of personal information ... rather than "opt-in" which required institution to have record authorizing sharing).
A few years ago, I was at a national annual privacy conference in Wash DC. (hotel just up the street from spy museum). There was a panel discussion with the FTC commissioners. Somebody in the audience asked the FTC commissioners if they were going to do anything about GLBA "opt-out" privacy sharing. He said he worked on callcenter technology used by all the major financial institutions ... and that none of the 1-800 "opt-out" desks had provisions for recording information from the call (aka an institution would *NEVER* have a record of a person objecting to sharing their personal information). The FTC commissioners just ignored him.
misc. Glass-Steagall posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#Pecora&/orGlass-Steagall
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: OT: NYT article--the rich get richer Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 23:54:14 -0400a few more too big to jail from the past couple days
Regulator sues 13 banks in Libor rate-fixing case for selling nearly
$2.4 billion in "faulty securities" to credit unions
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/24/regulator-sues-13-banks-in-libor-rate-fixing-case-for-selling-nearly-2-4-billion-in-faulty-securities-to-credit-unions/
Stunning Libor Fraud Admissions: "As For Kick Backs We Can Discuss
That At Lunch" And Much More
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-25/kick-backs-we-can-discuss-lunch-libor-manipulation-full-frontal
Bank of America goes to trial over U.S. mortgage fraud charges
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/23/us-bankofamerica-hustle-idUSBRE98M11H20130923
J.P. Morgan's Legal Headaches: A Tally
http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2013/09/24/j-p-morgans-legal-headaches-a-tally/
JPMorgan May Settle With Group of Agencies
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/09/24/jpmorgan-may-settle-with-group-of-agencies/
JPMorgan's Legal Hurdles Expected to Multiply
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/09/23/jpmorgans-legal-hurdles-expected-to-multiply/
Fraud Fortress: JPM Settles London Whale, Admits To Violating Securities Laws
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-19/fraud-fortress-jpm-settles-london-whale-admits-violating-securities-laws
JPMorgan Settlement To Reach $11 Billion, AP Reports
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-25/jpmorgan-settlement-reach-11-billion-ap-reports
JPMorgan's Mortgage Settlement May Reach $20 Billion
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-24/jpmorgans-mortgage-settlement-may-reach-20-billion
FBI pursuing fewer white-collar crime cases, group finds
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/09/24/203100/fbi-pursuing-fewer-white-collar.html
and past posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail
while repeal of Glass-Steagall didn't create the mess from last
decade, it created too big to fail which has resulted in
too big to prosecute as well as too big to jail
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#Pecora&/orGlass-Steagall
allowing too big to fail to continue all sorts of illegal activity
... including money laundering for drug cartels and terrorists
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#money.laundering
related series on Google+ and linkedin Financial Crime Risk, Fraud and
Security
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#3 Lending is still lagging according to Reuters. Why do you think that is?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#8 Lending is still lagging according to Reuters. Why do you think that is?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#11 Lending is still lagging according to Reuters. Why do you think that is?
and then inequality
How America's 401(k) Revolution Rewarded the Rich and Turned the Rest
of Us Into Big Losers
http://www.alternet.org/economy/401k-revolution-and-inequality
One Sign Shows It All: The distribution of income is a function of the
distribution of Democracy
http://johnhively.wordpress.com/2013/09/25/one-sign-shows-it-all-the-distribution-of-income-is-a-function-of-the-distribution-of-democracy/
previously mentioned "Retirement Heist" not only goes into how big
corporations looted pension reserves but also medical health plans
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#60 Retirement Heist
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#63 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#67 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#4 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#6 Voyager 1 just left the solar system using less computing powerthan your iP
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#12 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: Work long hours (Was Re: Pissing contest(s)) Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 26 Sep 2013 06:40:59 -0700elardus.engelbrecht@SITA.CO.ZA (Elardus Engelbrecht) writes:
old post with "Real Programmers" tome
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002e.html#39
one of the items:
Real Programmers never work 9 to 5. If any real programmers are
around at 9am, it's because they were up all night.
... snip ...
mentions getting complaints about tracking mud in halls of ibm san jose research (from cleats in hiking boots) ... path that I walked to work turned to mud when it rained.
slightly different "Real Programmers" version
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001e.html#31
as bonus, also has "Real Software Engineers".
past post
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#18
while the 360/67 mostly ran as 360/65, I did get to play a little with
cp67 on the weekend ... has part of share presentation that I did fall
of '68 ... references some performance benchmarks from having
re-written a lot of the cp67 kernel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/CMS
The above mentions initial cp67 release May 1968 ... however, three people from the science center came out last week of jan1968 to install cp67 at the univ ... and then I was invited to spring 1968 share meeting in houston for announcement ... I had already started to rewrite a lot of the code by that time.
I also took apart os/360 stage2 sysgen and re-arranged order of all the cards to carefully place datasets and pds members for optimal arm seek motion (pds member ordering also minimized multi-track pds directory search) ... getting almost three times throughput improvement for univ. student job workload.
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Steve B sees what investors think Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:50:47 -0400Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> writes:
part of the work was creating a payment gateway that handled
transactions between the servers on the network and the payment
networks. some past posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#gateway
the payment gateway initial interfaced into payment transaction processor that was that same used by most of the las vegas casinos and hotels for handling point-of-sale, card-swipe transactions (i.e. the info from browsers getting translated into card-swap). The transactions were flagged/classified as credit card "MOTO" (mail-order/telephone-order) ... which used the same business processes and merchant contractual terms&conditions (as MOTO).
There was no equivalent for debit card PIN operation in MOTO environment ... the only process for "cardholder not preset" and "card not present" (aka non face-to-face environment) was the credit card industry support for MOTO
the credit card associations started work on extensive publickey based infrastructure called SET (secure electronic transaction) most of the people on the effort were technologists, not business people. When they first published their specification, I developed a publickey operation profile (as well as business operation profile) for the specification and got some benchmarks done. I then presented the results at the next meeting. The technologists (including some from SUN & IBM and other technology vendors) claimed that the measured numbers were 100 times too high. The problem was that the benchmarks used the standard public key library (BSAFE) that had special speedups that made it run four times faster. If anybody in the group had ever actually done any public key operations they would have said it was four times too fast (not 100 times too slow). Six months later when first SET pilots were turned on, the benchmarks were within couple percent of actual (the speedups had been incorporated into standard BSAFE library distribution).
The other problem was that the PKI data structures being used for each
transactions were 100 times larger than the size of standard payment
transactions. In addition to the enormous processing bloat, there was
an enormous payload bloat. some past posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subpubkey.html#bloat
As a result of the payload bloat ... the implementation had to strip away all the publickey stuff at their internet payment gateway and add a single bit flag to standard payment transaction indicated valid public key verification had been performed. The problem was transactions with the flag turned on got a substantial merchant interchange fee discount. I pointed this out to the IBM people responsible for the IBM SET payment gateway. Their reply was that their gateway was certified to never turn on the bit when it shouldn't. The real design issue was that w/o end-to-end authentication ... anybody could now turn on the bit (for the discount). Later in an financial standards ISO meeting in Europe, some card association business people gave statistics on transactions that had the bit on ... where they could prove that there was no possibility of public key operations involved (however, with the design they had, they couldn't afford the cost of end-to-end authentication with the enormous 100-times payload bloat).
In anycase, SET start to dwindle away because of the enormously heavy weight implementation ... the enormous processing overhead & latency as well as the enormous processing latency. One of the last ditch attempts to save SET was proposal to merchants that the card associations would try and change REG-E ... reversing the burden of proof in disputes from the merchant/institution to the individual (aka not only SET carried a reduced interchange fee if the bit was set ... but also if the bit was SET ... and the customer disputed the transactions ... the burden of proof now fell on the customer to prove they didn't do it ... as opposed to the burden of proof on the merchant to prove that they did). That change never got very far ... but a similar process has been used in europe to help promote the update of chip&pin. I've commented before about being contacted by a legal representative of a person in the UK who was disputing a chip&pin transaction at an ATM cash machine. Since the burden of proof was on the customer to prove it wasn't them, it was the customer's responsibility to produce the video surveillance showing who did it. The bank was claiming they couldn't find the video surveillance (if the burden proof was on the institution/merchant as in US REG-E ... the bank would have to produce the video surveillance it order to prove it was the person).
some past posts mentioning the YES CARD vulnerability in
chip&pin
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#yescard
During a LEO presentation at an "ATM Integrity Taskforce" meeting on the chip&pin YES CARD vulnerability ... somebody made the comment that they had managed to spend billions of dollars to prove chips were less secure than magstripe. Aka it was trivial to create a YES CARD clone and there were few countermeasures. In the case of fraudulent transactions on lost/stolen/cloned magstripe ... the account number can be turned off to stop the transactions ... but turning off the account number wouldn't stop fraudulent "YES CARD" transactions. Part of the problem in the US is that there was a large pilot deployed in the US during the YES CARD period ... which then disappeared w/o a trace. In the wake of the YES CARD debacle ... it was likely going to be some time before it was tried again (waiting until it had been thoroughtly proven in other parts of the world).
The other issue was that the SET & chip&pin efforts started approx. concurrently and were totally unrelated ... the SET specification being developed solely for online, internet operation ... and chip&pin being developed solely for point-of-sale operation.
some past posts mentioning the burden-of-proof issue
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm6.htm#nonreput Sender and receiver non-repudiation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm6.htm#terror7 [FYI] Did Encryption Empower These Terrorists?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay10.htm#72 Invisible Ink, E-signatures slow to broadly catch on
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm17.htm#59 dual-use digital signature vulnerability
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm18.htm#0 dual-use digital signature vulnerability
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm18.htm#55 MD5 collision in X509 certificates
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm19.htm#33 Digital signatures have a big problem with meaning
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm20.htm#0 the limits of crypto and authentication
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm21.htm#35 [Clips] Banks Seek Better Online-Security Tools
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm23.htm#14 Shifting the Burden - legal tactics from the contracts world
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm23.htm#33 Chip-and-Pin terminals were replaced by "repairworkers"?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm26.htm#60 crypto component services - is there a market?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm26.htm#63 Public key encrypt-then-sign or sign-then-encrypt?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm28.htm#38 The Trouble with Threat Modelling
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000.html#57 RealNames hacked. Firewall issues.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000g.html#34 does CA need the proof of acceptance of key binding ?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001g.html#59 PKI/Digital signature doesn't work
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001g.html#62 PKI/Digital signature doesn't work
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001l.html#52 Security standards for banks and other institution
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002g.html#69 Digital signature
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004i.html#17 New Method for Authenticated Public Key Exchange without Digital Certificates
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005e.html#41 xml-security vs. native security
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005m.html#6 Creating certs for others (without their private keys)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005m.html#11 Question about authentication protocols
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005o.html#26 How good is TEA, REALLY?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005o.html#42 Catch22. If you cannot legally be forced to sign a document etc - Tax Declaration etc etc etc
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006d.html#32 When *not* to sign an e-mail message?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006e.html#8 Beginner's Pubkey Crypto Question
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#28 sizeof() was: The Perfect Computer - 36 bits?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#23 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#67 open source voting
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#62 Solving password problems one at a time, Re: The password-reset paradox
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#52 Credit cards
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009n.html#71 Sophisticated cybercrooks cracking bank security efforts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009r.html#72 Why don't people use certificate-based access authentication?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#1 Korean bank Moves back to Mainframes (...no, not back)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#3 Korean bank Moves back to Mainframes (...no, not back)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#21 Credit card data security: Who's responsible?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#24 Cambridge researchers show Chip and PIN system vulnerable to fraud
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#47 Industry groups leap to Chip and PIN's defence
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#63 Wal-Mart to support smartcard payments
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#7 taking down the machine - z9 series
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#82 Five Theses on Security Protocols
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#23 A mighty fortress is our PKI, Part II
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#77 towards https everywhere and strict transport security (was: Has there been a change in US banking regulations recently?)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#60 A Two Way Non-repudiation Contract Exchange Scheme
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012b.html#71 Password shortcomings
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012d.html#62 Gordon Gekko Says
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#35 The Conceptual ATM program
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#10 The Knowledge Economy Two Classes of Workers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#8 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#38 regulation,bridges,streams
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#52 U.S. agents 'got lucky' pursuing accused Russia master hackers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#90 copyright protection/Doug Englebart
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Voyager 1 just left the solar system using less computing powerthan your iP Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 15:53:41 -0400Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> writes:
part of communication group T/R FUD was comparing 16mbit T/R to what was possibly very early 3mbit ethernet before it used listen before transmit (would just start transmitting) ... in the past I made snide references to the group must have a time machine ... to justify the comparison with something displaced nearly a decade in time.
however, 1988 ACM SIGCOMM ("Measured Capacity of Ethernet: Myths and Reality" proceedings of ACM SIGCOMM, 8/16-19, 1988, V18N4) published analysis of typical 30 station 10mbit ethernet where effective ethernet bandwidth was nearly the full 10mbits. in tests where all 30 stations had low level device driver transmitting minimum sized ethernet packets as fast as possible, effective aggregate throughput dropped off to 8.5mbits/sec (which was still higher than aggregate effective throughput of 16mbit t/r).
This accounted for why the new IBM Almaden Research building, having been heavily wired with CAT4 for 16mbit t/r, switched to 10mbit ethernet ... because
1) effective aggregate 10mbit ethernet LAN thruput was higher than 16mbit t/r 2) avg. per packet latency on 10mbit ethernet lan was less than on 16mbit t/r, and 3) individual ethernet LAN card peak throughput was higher (individual 10mbit ethernet LAN card could operate at full media throughput, however, a single individual 16mbit T/R LAN card was lucky if it could get 1mbit).
last was part of the communication group design point of using 16mbit
T/R for doing dumb terminal emulation ... so individual card throughput
requirement was way under mbit/sec.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#terminal
disclaimer: my wife is co-inventor on late 70s LAN token-passing patent (both US and international, assigned to IBM).
the token-passing elegance needed lan segments with much longer distances and higher transmission latency ... hardly qualifying as LAN (*LOCAL* area network). however, what happens in the internet ... is there are router/gateways that handle the transition from the local area to longer distant interconnect (rather than having a single enormous LAN segment for interconnecting all devices in the country).
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Voyager 1 just left the solar system using less computing powerthan your iP Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 16:13:20 -0400Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes:
who said any of the geniuses were running IBM???
I also previously mentioned that the individual 16mbit T/R microchannel card peak throughput was less than the PC/RT 4mbit T/R AT-bus card peak throughput ... part of the apparent attempt by the communication group to preserve the dumb terminal paradigm and fighting off client/server and distributed computing ... also my contention that they were trying to position 16mbit T/R as a solution to the point-to-point 3270 coax weight floor loading problem.
recent mention that about that time, top executives were predicting that
revenue was going to double from $60B to $120B/annum mostly based on
mainframe sales ... even when things were already starting to head in
the opposite direction (the company is on downward slide going into red
in the early 90s). this involved a massive internal building program to
double lots of mainframe related manufacturing capacity. There was also
big upsurge in "fast-track" MBAs circulating around the company.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#79 As an IBM'er just like the Marines only a few good men and women make the cut,
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#49 Internet Mainframe Forums Considered Harmful
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#49 The Original IBM Basic Beliefs for those that have never seen them
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#6 Voyager 1 just left the solar system using less computing powerthan your iP
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Steve B sees what investors think Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:29:17 -0400simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) writes:
chip&pin was among a series of cards developed in europe for doing "offline" payment transactions as countermeasure to the extremely high-cost of telco and/or lack of availability. by the time chip&pin started to be deployed ... prices and availability of telco in europe had radically changed (aka the cost of the chips was being offset by the cost of the eliminated telco transactions)
the security countermeasure in chip&pin was primarily for lost/stolen
card ... aka two-factor authentication ... aka something you have
(card) and something you know (pin). past posts mentioning
multi-factor authentication
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#3factor
however deployment was during a period where skimming exploits had been common for at least a decade ... and it turned out to be able to skim and create a chip&pin nearly as trivially as a magstripe card. this gave rise to the previously mentioned comment in the ATM Integrity Taskforce meeting about having spent billions of dollars to prove chips are less secure than magstripe ... about YES CARD.
A counterfeit YES CARD clone was programmed to always answer
"YES" to the three questions a POS terminal asked
1) was the correct PIN entered
2) should the transaction be done offline
3) is the transaction within the "open to buy" (aka credit limit)
since the YES CARD always said YES to an offline transaction,
disabling an account number had no effect (i.e. works for magstripe
transactions that are always online).
The people doing the large pilot program in the US (over a decade ago) were myopically focused on lost/stolen card scenario. I pointed out the YES card scenario ... and they said thats OK, the valid cards being deployed would never do an offline transaction. The issue was that it didn't make any difference what the valid cards did ... it was what would a counterfeit, clone card do (they were so focused on valid card attacks, they failed to process when I referred to counterfeit, clone card scenarios).
The disastrous failure of the pilot because of the YES CARD scenario is major factor in the long delay before it is attempted again in the US.
somebody's old trip report to cartes2002 mentioning YES CARD
presentation (at the bottom of trip report) ... gone 404 ... but lives
on at wayback machine
https://web.archive.org/web/20030417083810/http://www.smartcard.co.uk/resources/articles/cartes2002.html
past YES CARD posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#yescard
as I've previously mentioned for chip&pin, the associations also got the burden of proof changed in dispute (as cost of telco was radically dropping, there was no longer business case based on eliminating telco costs ... so motivation was added with radically reduced dispute costs ... burden of proof was shifted from institution/merchant to the individual)
there were also a whole series of "stored value" offline chipcards in europe during the end of the previous century (again to address the european telco expense/availability opportunities) ... some of which made brief foreys into the US. The US market eventually responded with "online" magstripe "stored value" products (gift cards, merchant cards, etc) ... that used the same payment card magstripe POS terminals and telco infrastructure
In the late 90s, we were asked to design & cost the backend dataprocessing infrastructure for a popular european "stored value" chipcard forey for a large US deployemnt. However, at the same time I did analysis of the end-to-end business process ... and what I came up with was that the major factor in the programs was the interest/float that the operators had on values transferred into the infrastructure. In fact, a little later EU central bank made a ruling that the operators would be allowed to keep the interest/float during the startup period (to help underwrite startup costs) but would have to start crediting the accounts with that value. The loss of that float was a major blow to those programs.
some past posts mentioning stored-value chipcard programs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm21.htm#12 Payment Tokens
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm27.htm#42 The bank fraud blame game
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm28.htm#49 Price point
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm6.htm#digcash IP: Re: Why we don't use digital cash
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm7.htm#idcard2 AGAINST ID CARDS
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002e.html#18 Opinion on smartcard security requested
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003h.html#54 Smartcards and devices
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004j.html#12 US fiscal policy (Was: Bob Bemer, Computer Pioneer,Father of ASCII,Invento
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004j.html#44 Methods of payment
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005g.html#34 Maximum RAM and ROM for smartcards
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008c.html#90 Toyota Sales for 2007 May Surpass GM
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#62 blasts from the past -- old predictions come true
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#63 Wal-Mart to support smartcard payments
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011m.html#7 Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012b.html#78 The PC industry is heading for collapse
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Steve B sees what investors think Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:48:21 -0400re:
triva ... side-effect of the YES CARD ... it wasn't necessary to know
the (correct) pin ... since the YES CARD always said it was a correct
pin ... regardless of what had been entered.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#yescard
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Steve B sees what investors think Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:26:19 -0400Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
things get more complex ... credit card magstripe had lots of infrastructure evolved over the decades.
earliest credit card magstripes just had account numbers. early
counterfeit credit cards just generated account numbers according to
known pattern. as a countermeasure ... a truncated secure hash was
added to the magstripe ... sort of like pin number for
computers. however, the next evoluation in counterfeit credit cards was
skimming magstripe ... just copy a known valid magstripe.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#harvest
because of lots of vulnerabilities ... gov. has REG-E which puts heavy responsbility on the banks & merchants in the case of any dispute ... protecting the individual.
somewhat in parallel debit/cash-machines evolved but required PIN.
as credit card use dropped off ... the card association (who's revenue is based on associated transactions flowing through their networks) came up with schemes to allow debit cards to be used at point-of-sale machines (and therefor would flow through the networks ... and they get piece of action).
initial was to offer both signature & pin options for debit card (the user could decide whether to do a signature-based debit card transaction ... identical to credit card ... or pin-based debit card transaction).
there was big legal dispute a decade ago against the associations since they set things up effectively forcing customers to do signature-based debit card transactions ... which the associations charged the merchant significantly higher price (than if it was pin-based). the associations were fined billions of dollars and forced to put signature & pin debit transactions on level playing field.
one of the problems for customers is that there are a lot more pitfalls using debit at point-of-sale (including the money gets debited immediately from bank account ... and it might take quite awhile before it gets put back in case of fraud). the other is that even if you are very, very careful to only use a card with PIN ... an attacker still only has to skim the magstripe ... and then use a counterfeit card in signature mode (just because you always use PIN ... doesn't mean the crook has to ... slight analogy to the YES CARD deployment thinking they didn't have an "offline" problem if all valid cards were always online). It is still possible to get an ATM-only debit card ... that can't be used at point-of-sale ... and always requires a PIN. The banks don't like to advertise it ... since they make a whole lot more money off the point-of-sale variety card (from the associated interchange fees charged merchants on every transactions).
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: "There IS no force, just inertia" Date: 26 Sep 2013 Blog: Old Geekre:
I become acquainted with John Boyd the spring of 1983 and would sponsor his briefings at IBM.
John Boyd
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Boyd_%28military_strategist%29
recent article: 40 Years of the "Fighter Mafia" An informal group
begun by Col. John Boyd and mathematician Tom Christie calls for
military reform -- by doing more with less.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/40-years-of-the-fighter-mafia/
"There are two career paths in front of you, and you have to choose
which path you will follow. One path leads to promotions, titles, and
positions of distinction.... The other path leads to doing things that
are truly significant for the Air Force, but the rewards will quite
often be a kick in the stomach because you may have to cross swords
with the party line on occasion. You can't go down both paths, you
have to choose. Do you want to be a man of distinction or do you want
to do things that really influence the shape of the Air Force? To be
or to do, that is the question." Colonel John R. Boyd, USAF 1927-1997
From the dedication of Boyd Hall, United States Air Force Weapons
School, Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada. 17 September 1999
I found the above sentiment seems to be true in most large
bureaucracies
Hugh Laurie's (TV's House) novel "Gun Seller" references Boyd's OODA-loop as well as lengths that the MICC (Eisenhower's goodby speech warning about the military-industrial complex was originally going to be military-industrial-congressional complex, but got shorten at the last minute) would go to when threatened.
Boyd had a story when he was working on the F16 design and the MICC F15 forces were trying to block it. He was using a lot of supercomputer time doing the design and the MICC F15 forces convinced the Air Force to investigate Boyd for theft of millions of dollars from the gov. (i.e. the supercomputer time) which would have put him in Leavenworth for the rest of his life. Fortunately Boyd had anticipated the tactic and had left no trail of his supercomputer use.
Boyd also would comment during Vietnam that he would say that the
sensors on trail would never work ... which possibly resulted in him
getting posted as command of "spook base". Reference about "spook
base" (and the sensors on the trail) ... gone 404, but live on at the
wayback machine.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030212092342/http://home.att.net/~c.jeppeson/igloo_white.html
Boyd biographies also mention that "spook base" was a $2.5B windfall for IBM.
past posts mentioning MICC
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex
past posts mentioning Boyd
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html#boyd1
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Voyager 1 just left the solar system using less computing powerthan your iP Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 17:01:01 -0400hancock4 writes:
is only small part of what is going on ... aka "Retirement Heist"
https://web.archive.org/web/20181019074906/http://www.ibmemployee.com/RetirementHeist.shtml
and in the wake of failure of "Future Systems", from "Computer Wars: The
Post-IBM World" Ferguson & Morris:
... and perhaps most damaging, the old culture under Watson Snr and Jr
of free and vigorous debate was replaced with sycophancy and make no
waves under Opel and Akers. It's claimed that thereafter, IBM lived in
the shadow of defeat
... and:
But because of the heavy investment of face by the top management, F/S
took years to kill, although its wrongheadedness was obvious from the
very outset. "For the first time, during F/S, outspoken criticism
became politically dangerous," recalls a former top executive.
... snip ...
past posts mentioning Future Systems
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys
AMEX, Private Equity, IBM related Gerstner posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#gerstner
recent posts mentioning Retirement Heist
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#60 Retirement Heist
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#63 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#67 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#4 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#6 Voyager 1 just left the solar system using less computing powerthan your iP
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#12 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#15 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
and recent posts mentioning "Great Deformation"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#3 What Makes a thread about the European debt crisis Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#5 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#13 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#23 What Makes weapons control Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#30 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#34 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#49 As an IBM'er just like the Marines only a few good men and women make the cut,
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#63 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#5 SAS Deserting the MF?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#69 What Makes collecting sales taxes Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#2 IBM Relevancy in the IT World
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#50 IBM Furloughs U.S. Hardware Employees to Reduce Costs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#51 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#57 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#49 The Original IBM Basic Beliefs for those that have never seen them
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#60 Retirement Heist
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: Work long hours (Was Re: Pissing contest(s)) Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 27 Sep 2013 15:02:38 -0700scott_j_ford@YAHOO.COM (Scott Ford) writes:
????
for some topic drift ... I become acquainted with John Boyd the spring of 1983 and would sponsor his briefings at IBM.
He would mention that during vietnam, he could claim that the sensors on
the trial wouldn't work. That is possibly why he was assigned to command
spook base. URL describing spook base, sensors on the trail, and even
drones ... gone 404, but lives on at wayback machine:
https://web.archive.org/web/20030212092342/http://home.att.net/~c.jeppeson/igloo_white.html
Boyd biographies claim spook base was $2.5B windfall for IBM ... possibly pushing $20B in today's dollars. Boyd would say that spook base had the largest air conditioned building in that part of the world.
About that time, I was con'ed into joining Boeing as part of helping form Boeing Computer Services ... consolidating dataprocessing into separate business unit to better monetize the investment. I had imagined Renton was the largest IBM 360 mainframe datacenter in the world, something like $300M in mainframes. At one time the 360/65s were arriving faster than they could be installed ... there were pieces of 360/65s constantly staged in the hallways outside the machine room.
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Voyager 1 just left the solar system using less computing powerthan your iP Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 01:30:22 -0400hancock4 writes:
after transfering from science center to san jose research ... they
let me wander around a bit ... down to stl and various kinds of dbms
and other stuff, over to dasd engineering labs ... where eventually i
got to play disk engineer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#disk
over to los gatos vlsi lab, drop in on various customers in the bay
area ... and of course play at HONE in palo alto ... HONE was
world-wide, virtual machine based, online sales&marketing support
... that I had been providing with enhanced operating systems since
cp67 days.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone
that is addition to what I was suppose to be doing in san jose
research ... including some original relational/sql
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#systemr
the disk engineering labs had quite a few mainframes and were doing stand-alone, dedicated machine testing, scheduled 7x24 around the clock. they had once tried MVS to see if they could do concurrent testing ... but found that MVS in that environment had 15min MTBF ... even with single testcell. I offered to do rewritten, bullet-proof, never-fail i/o supervisor ... so they could do any amount of on-demand concurrent testing. this then got me sucked into diagnosing hardware problems when the engineers would fingerpoint at my software when things wouldn't working as expected. this led to them also wanting me to sit in on conference calls with POK channel engineers. I asked why were they having me do it ... where were all the disk engineers with channel expertise. They said that all the senior disk engineers with channel expertise had been hired away.
unfortunately, I did an internal writeup of the i/o supervisor work and happened to mention the MVS 15min MTBF ... and subsequently got really hammered by the MVS group ... I was told that they were going to do everything possible to make the rest of my career at ibm as unpleasant as possible (they would have gotten me fired if they could have figured out how). this was possibly one of the consequences of the FS failure ... groups becoming extremely politicized.
old disk reference gone 404 but lives on at wayback machine
https://web.archive.org/web/19990503110339/http://www.disktrend.com/disk3.htm
dirty dozen ... dec1967 ... then shugart summer of '69 ... then possibly another 200 through the early 70s.
... however for POK & 3081 one of the "mad rush" projects in the
wake of the failure of FS
http://www.jfsowa.com/computer/memo125.htm
this old email saying all those getting "technical" awards for 3081
... vast majority were managers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#email810706
in this recent post
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#23
past posts mentioning future system
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: US Air Force Converts F-16 Fighters into Drones Date: 28 Sep 2013 Blog: FacebookUS Air Force Converts F-16 Fighters into Drones
I met John Boyd spring of 1983 and would sponsor his briefings at
IBM. One of his stories was when he was working on F16 design, the
MICC F15 forces tried to block it and convinced air force to
investigate him for theft of millions in gov. property (the
supercomputer time he was using for F16 design) ... he was facing the
rest of his life in Leavenworth. Fortunately he anticipated the tactic
and left no trail of his supercomputer use. He also told about saying
that the sensors on the trail during vietnam woudn't work ... which
possibly resulted him being given command of spook base. URL about
spook base, sensors on the trail, and drones (gone 404 but lives on at
wayback machine)
https://web.archive.org/web/20030212092342/http://home.att.net/~c.jeppeson/igloo_white.html
He would say it had the largest air conditioned bldg in that part of the world. Boyd bios claim spook base was $2.5B windfall for IBM (possibly pushing $20B in today's dollars)
Prior to Vietnam, Boyd was asked to review new AF air--to-air missile that claimed it hit every time it was fired. Boyd reviewed the material and films and said that he would be lucky to hit 10%. They argued ... he asked them to rerun the film and then stopped it just before missile hit flare on a drone. He asked what kind of guidance, they said heat seeking. He ask some more questions before getting them to say what kind of heat seeking ("pin-point"). He asked what is the hottest part of the plane ... they said the jet engine. He said *NO*, it was in the plume way behind the jet ... the only time it hits is when shooting straight up the tailpipe and the opponent isn't maneuvering. They package up all the material, leave, and bury his analysis. Role forward to vietnam and boyd's analysis is correct. The top AF commander in vietnam grounds all fighters while they are converted from AF missile to navy sidewinders (having better than twice hit rate). He lasts 3months before being replaced and called on the carpet back in the pentagon. He had violated fundamental pentagon rule ... cutting air force budget (loosing fewer jets & pilots and not using AF missile). Pentagon AF focus on conduct of the war was only with regard to how it affected AF budget.
posts mentioning Boyd
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html#boyd1
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: The Reformers Date: 28 Sep 2013 Blog: Boyd & BeyondThe Reformers
for the above reference to sparrow/sidewinder ... see further comments
in the "40 years of fighter mafia" with "blacktail" providing
additional detail
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/40-years-of-the-fighter-mafia/
... also if you click on his URL ... it goes to some M1 & Bradley
analysis similar to some of the recent stuff at ELP
http://elpdefensenews.blogspot.com/2013/09/dare-to-compare-m1a2-abrams-sep-versus_7.html
an alternative detailed account on many items: "National Insecurity:
The Cost of American Militarism"
https://www.amazon.com/National-Insecurity-American-Militarism-ebook/dp/B00ATLNI04/
as an aside ... for whatever reason, I never experienced any of the personal interactions attributed to him ... at the most there were possibly some conversational games ... but then again I also had to deal with people in IBM that were supposedly the smartest people in the world.
also w/regard to reference to reformers not prevailing over MICC
... I've commented before after '83 Time article, they wanted to do
bad things to both Spinney and Boyd ... but there was some
congressional cover ... which doesn't exist today.
https://web.archive.org/web/20070320170523/http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,953733,00.html
also
https://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,953733,00.html
For a non-fiction disucssion of MICC, there is previously referenced
"National Insecurity" ... for fiction discussion of MICC,
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex
there is Hugh Laurie (TV's House) novel Gun Seller ... which also
references Boyd's OODA-loop.
https://www.amazon.com/The-Gun-Seller-ebook/dp/B000SEGK0M/
I've got lots of similar but different references to the financial
mess last decade and the Financial Regulatory Congressional Complex
(FRCC). Jan2009, I was asked to HTML'ize the Pecora hearings (1930s
Senate hearings into crash of '29 that resulted in Glass-Steagall)
with internal HREFs/links between all the pieces as well as lots of
URLs between what happened this time and what happened then (there was
some expectation that the new Congress would have appetite to do
something). I worked on it for some time and then got a call that it
wouldn't be needed after all (references to enormous piles of
wallstreet money blanketing capital hill). posts mentioning pecora
hearing &/or Glass-Steagall
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#Pecora&/orGlass-Steagall
The gov. whistleblorwer office is suppose to provide cover ... but
there are many instances where they look the other way. I'm currently
following case of former head of FDIC large bank examination
department who was calling out many of the transgressions in 2005/2006
and got demoted and marginalized ... and the whistleblower office has
gone to great lengths to do nothing.
https://www.amazon.com/American-Betrayal-ebook/dp/B00BKZ02UM/
There all sort of charges trumped up in the Success of Failure case
http://www.govexec.com/excellence/management-matters/2007/04/the-success-of-failure/24107
which carried on for years before they dropped all but a trivial
transgression.
Boyd would tell the story about the F15 factions prodding the Air
Force in investigating Boyd for theft of millions of dollars in
gov. property (supercomputer time he was using for design of F16)
which would have put him in Leavenworth for the rest of his
life. Fortunately Boyd had anticipated the tactic and they spent thee
months unable to find any trail of his supercomputer use. past posts
mentioning Boyd
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html#boyd1
Gun Seller goes into some of the lengths that MICC goes to when
threatened. I'm less experienced with MICC than FRCC ... but there has
been some overlap between MICC (& Team B) and FRCC (really apparent
during the S&L crisis as well as the last decade). posts mentioning
team b
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#team.b
Some personal experience with FRCC was during Internet bubble we were
criticizing many of the technologies as vaporware. We were in a
financial standards meeting hosted by large financial lobbying
organization in downtown DC. During the meeting, we were asked to step
out, there was somebody to see us. We were taken to a room and the
door was shut and somebody introduced as from a New Jersey ethnic
organization and he had been asked to talk to us by some investment
bankers. He said that these investment bankers had been expecting to
clear $2B from upcoming IPOs and our remarks were predicted as having
at least 10% downside to that number. We were being asked to stop
criticizing the technologies. He said that it was not personal, purely
business and investment bankers are typically amoral. We then went to
some high level LEOs and they said those people are like that ... some
involved in the Internet bubble IPOs had previously walked away clean
from the S&L crisis and were then expected to next get into a
real-estate bubble (after the Internet bubble ... and we've seen how
well that worked out). Remember Boyd's To Be or To Do advice
... kick in the stomach may be the least of the problems. To Be or To
Do reference from old Chet's website (gone 404 but lives on at
wayback machine)
https://web.archive.org/web/20020217191358/http://belisarius.com/modern_business_strategy/moore/mie_33.htm
Standard tactic is to obfuscate and redirect the discussion ... frequently including diversion to character attributes.
possibly related ... I recently shared in Chet's:
http://slightlyeastofnew.com/2013/09/24/national-entropy/
being able to relax existing connections ... "Why We're More Creative
When We're Tired, And 9 Other Surprising Things About How Brains Work"
http://www.fastcompany.com/3018084/work-smart/why-were-more-creative-when-were-tired-and-9-other-surprising-facts-about-how-our
note you see MICC (typical?) intimidation in Boyd's story about being investigated for theft of millions of dollars in gov. property (supercomputer time he was using for design of f16) and facing prospect of the rest of life in Leavenworth. Fortunately Boyd had anticipated the tactic and had left no trail of his use (they knew he was doing it, but they were unable to prove it).
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: CNTL-ALT-DELETE "a mistake" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 08:43:55 -0400Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> writes:
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Voyager 1 just left the solar system using less computing powerthan your iP Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 08:57:11 -0400re:
say original token-ring shop floor with 300 stations ... was token-ring cable snaking from one station to the next. The elapsed time/latency for token to make one round trip became proportional to the aggregate length of the cable.
original 3mbit ethernet w/o listen before transmit, worst case problems was the elapsed transmission propagation delay/latency between the two stations at furthest extremes of the cable.
move forward to token-ring CAT4 and star-wired to the MAUs. for token-ring with 300 stations, the elapsed time/latency can increase significantly since the signal goes from each station back to the MAU and down to the next station and then back up to the MAU, etc. Rather than cable going directly from station to stations ... there is wire back up to the MAU and then back down ... significantly increasing the token transmission distance.
10mbit ethernet with listen before transmit and CAT4 ... also has star-wired and a rebroadcast unit/hub replacing the MAU ... except it can rebroadcast down each arm concurrently rather than serially. As a result, worst case propagation delay/latency (where two or more stations can think that they can transmit) is reduced significantly. It can further be reduced if the HUB acts as tie-breaker and aborts incoming signal if there is already an outgoing broadcast.
The 1988 ACM SIGCOMM Ethernet article was 30 stations on such a CAT4 Ethernet HUB ... with effective transmission throughput dropping to 8.5mbits/sec with low-level device drivers constantly sending minimum sized packets from all 30 stations.
My example was Ethernet and TCP/IP routers ... and 6-10 station Ethernet HUB segements connected upstream to a shared router (each segment with its own dedicated 10mbit ethernet, and router able to handle effective aggregate throughput of all Ethernet segments) ... compared to token-ring MAU units all ganged together with all stations in the configuration sharing common bandwdith (and token passing latency having to cross the complete configuration).
The comparison for token-ring was a typical SNA configuration ... where SNA doesn't actually support networking and/or the concept of routers (therefor the requirement for single integrated token-ring configuration). The token-ring comparison further suffers because the communication group 16mbit token-ring was built to the dumb terminal emulation design point with each station only needing tens of kilobytes per second bandwidth (or less) ... and so individual 16mbit token-ring cards were not able to sustain full aggregate LAN throughput (or less, while individual Ethernet cards of the period, where designed to sustain full aggregate media throughput).
the communication group attempting to preserve their dumb terminal emulation base, doing everything they could to fight off client/server and distributed computing, contributed significantly to the decline of mainframe datacenters in the late 80s and the company going into the red in the early 90s.
earlier token-ring/ethernet posts this year
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#31 Ethernet at 40: Its daddy reveals its turbulent youth
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#32 Ethernet at 40: Its daddy reveals its turbulent youth
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#33 Ethernet at 40: Its daddy reveals its turbulent youth
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#34 Ethernet at 40: Its daddy reveals its turbulent youth
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#40 Ethernet at 40: Its daddy reveals its turbulent youth
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#27 Ethernet at 40: Its daddy reveals its turbulent youth
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#84 Metcalfe's Law: How Ethernet Beat IBM and Changed the World
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#70 Metcalfe's Law: How Ethernet Beat IBM and Changed the World
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#72 Metcalfe's Law: How Ethernet Beat IBM and Changed the World
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#83 Metcalfe's Law: How Ethernet Beat IBM and Changed the World
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: Work long hours (Was Re: Pissing contest(s)) Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 29 Sep 2013 06:34:51 -0700wjiphone1 writes:
multi-party operations were/are countermeasure to insider fraud.
collusion then is/was response by crooks.
staggered vacations then are a countermeasure to collusion ... periodically mixing up those required for multi-party operations.
In the past, I've had discussions with the NIST role-based-access (RBAC)
guys ... that one of the objectives of RBAC is to simplify permissions
for establishing multi-party operations (i.e. working out permissions so
that no single person has sufficient permissions to complete operation
on their own).
http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/rbac/
somewhat back to earlier thread
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#16 Work long hours (Was Re: Pissing contest(s))
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#25 Work long hours (Was Re: Pissing contest(s))
in the 80s, i did one summer teaching classes and giving lectures around europe, including classes south of paris (joan of arc home town). Required French worker vacation was 5weeks but IBM gave 6weeks. That summer, France increased mandated vacation to 6weeks ... and there were various work incidents/actions because some felt then IBM should increase its vacation to 7weeks (so IBMers would still have one week more than everybody else).
I would come in an hr or two early and stay for a couple hrs after the class ... using online connection & email back to the states. I then asked site manager for weekend access. He explained that the guards had filed written paper work with the government that somebody was working more than 8hrs/day ... and he had to respond with lots more gov. paperwork. He said that I could have weekend access if I really wanted ... but it would be much simpler if I just spent the weekend sight seeing.
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: Work long hours (Was Re: Pissing contest(s)) Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 29 Sep 2013 08:44:43 -0700re:
for other drift, part of the time in Europe was talking to the French
BOIS (branch office information system) group on the work to deploy
vm/4300 systems into IBM branch offices, first in France and then
in other parts of EMEA. old email
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006p.html#email820912
From just about the beginning one of my hobbies had been supporting
the HONE system (online, virtual machine based world-wide sales &
marketing support) from the beginning back to cp67 days when it was
just in the US. Then as it was propagating clones to the rest of the
world, I would be asked to do the install (a decade before BOIS, IBM
EMEA hdqtrs moved from the states to Paris, and I was brought in to do
the install in Paris). past posts mentioning HONE
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone
vm/4341s were sort of the leading edge of both large compute farms as
well as the distributed computing tsunami (both at customers and
inside IBM). This is old email about AFDS initially looking at 20
distributed vm/4341s ... growing to 210:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#email790404b
This is doing benchmarks for national lab looking at getting 70
vm/4341s for compute farm
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#email790220
70 vm/4341s compute farm could be considered leading edge of GRID
computing (which is also a precursor to modern cloud computing) ....
recent posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#18
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#52
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#83
internal vm/4341s was also major factor in the internal networking
passing 1000 nodes the summer of 1983 ... old reference to some
1983 node announcements as well as list of all corporate locations
that had one or more new nodes added during 1983
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006k.html#8
other past posts mentioning internal network
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet
France/EMEA BOIS pioneered the branch office distributed vm/4341 systems, and then similar program starts showing up in the states ... with the "VMIC" machines ... starting out for USA sales/marketing regional hdqtrs.
past email mentioning vm/4300s
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#43xx
as an aside, the internal network had been non-SNA until the late 80s when the communication group started generating a lot of mis-information as part of push to get the internal network converted to SNA. However, their program of mis-information wasn't just limited to the internal network ... but also extended to claims that the NSFNET backbone could run over SNA ... the NSFNET backbone is the precursor of the modern internet ... discussed in the above (and other) GRID related posts ... referencing this article
Grid Computing; Hook enough computers together and what do you get? A
new kind of utility that offers supercomputer processing on tap.
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/401444/grid-computing/
old email mentioning NSFNET backbone ... and working with participants
leading up to NSFNET backbone
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#nsfnet
when i was in San Jose Research ... they use to joke that I worked 4shift weeks; ... 1st shift in san jose researach, 2nd shift in the disk engineering lab, 3rd shift in STL (now silicon valley lab) and 4th shift (weekends) up in Palo Alto at the HONE system.
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: Why is the mainframe so expensive? Date: 29 Sep 2013 Blog: Mainframe Expertsre:
A max. configured z196 with 80 processors and rated at 50BIPS goes for $28M. IBM financials says that the mainframe group earns a total of $6.25 for every mainframe processor dollar or on the avg. IBM would earn a total of $175M from a $28M z196 installation. This works out to be about $3.5M/BIPS.
By comparison, IBM has had a base list price of $1810 for a e5-2600 blade ... two chips, 8cores (processors) per chip, 16 cores (processors) total and has a rating of 527BIPS or $3.44/BIPS (a factor of a million times less than z196).
Big cloud operators claim they build their own blades at 1/3rd the cost of brand name blades ... or possibly $1/BIPS (making it three million times less than z196). Also the i86 server chip vendors have said they are now shipping more server chips to big cloud operators than to brand name server vendors (these volumes don't show up in the standard server system market numbers).
For the big cloud operators, the radical reduction in system prices (a typical large cloud mega-datacenter will have hundreds of thousands of systems and millions or processors) has resulted in other costs becoming increasing percentage of TCO. As a result they have been on the forefront of green technologies (power, cooling, power/calculations, etc) and automated operations (tens of people required for large megadatacenter with hundreds of thousands of systems ... such a large megadatacenter will have more total compute power than the aggregate of all mainframes in the world today).
In 1988, I was asked to help LLNL standardize some serial technology
they had which eventually morphs into fibre channel standard
(FCS). Later some POK channel engineers get involved and define a
heavyweight layer on top of FCS that drastically cuts the effectively
throughput ... which is eventually released as FICON. Published peak
z196 I/O benchmark gets 2M IOPS using 104 FICONS. Also numbers are max
z196 system assist processors are capable of 2.2M SSCH/sec with all
SAPs running at 100% busy ... however recommendations are to keep SAPs
at 70% busy or less ... or 1.5M SSCH/sec. By comparison a recent
announced e5-2600 FCS is claiming over million IOPS (aka two such FCS
would have higher throughput than 104 FICONS ... which is the
heavyweight mainframe channel protocol running on top of 104 FCS
... drastically cutting effective throughput). past posts mentioning
FICON
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#ficon
The enormous shift of the server market to the big cloud operators
(and the downward pressure put on system prices by these operators) is
possibly behind the reports earlier this year about IBM trying to sell
off that business. However, this has recent IBM announce packing 84
x86 systems (and 2016 cores) in a reduced rack space ... which
corresponds to the 2nd generation e5-2600v2 ... 22nm reduced to 14nm
process and 12cores/chip rather than 8cores/chip ... which could give
800BIPS/e5-2600 (up from 527BIPS).
http://www.zdnet.com/ibm-launches-nextscale-packs-more-cores-in-racks-7000020432/
84 such systems in a rack would be 6.7TIPS or the equivalent processing power of 1344 50BIPS z196 systems. IBM financials has IBM selling about the equivalent of 180 z196 max configured (@$28M) per year. 1344 50BIPS z196 systems would be the equivalent of 7.5yrs of such z196 sales
recent posts mentioning e5-2600:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#35 Reports: IBM may sell x86 server business to Lenovo
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#37 Where Does the Cloud Cover the Mainframe?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#38 Reports: IBM may sell x86 server business to Lenovo
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#51 Reports: IBM may sell x86 server business to Lenovo
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#57 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#64 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#70 How internet can evolve
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#72 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#73 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#74 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#2 A Complete History Of Mainframe Computing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#4 A Complete History Of Mainframe Computing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#5 SAS Deserting the MF?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#7 SAS Deserting the MF?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#14 Tech Time Warp of the Week: The 50-Pound Portable PC, 1977
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#23 Old data storage or data base
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#43 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#49 A Complete History Of Mainframe Computing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#50 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#93 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#3 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#5 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#6 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#40 The Mainframe is "Alive and Kicking"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#79 Why does IBM keep saying things like this:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#80 Minicomputer Pricing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#47 Making mainframe technology hip again
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#59 Making mainframe technology hip again
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#60 Making mainframe technology hip again
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#86 IBM unveils new "mainframe for the rest of us"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#53 spacewar
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#31 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#50 Mainframe On Cloud
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#51 Mainframe On Cloud
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#53 Mainframe On Cloud
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#54 Mainframe On Cloud
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#70 50,000 x86 operating system on single mainframe
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software Date: 30 Sep 2013 Blog: Old Geeksre:
The Hardware Facebook Invented Is Radically Changing The $150 Billion
Enterprise Market
http://www.businessinsider.com/pictures-facebooks-enterprise-hardware-2013-9
from above:
Because customers are the designers, OCP's hardware projects use fewer
materials, cost less and perform better than what traditional vendors
typically offer.
Because they are "open source" projects, anyone can help with the
designs and OCP gives the designs away for free. An enterprise can
take them, modify them, and send them out to contract manufacturers,
who are standing by to build them.
... snip ...
recent posts in thread:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#3 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#4 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#5 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#6 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#8 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#10 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#14 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#15 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#14 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#53 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#66 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#23 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#24 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#32 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: Why is the mainframe so expensive? Date: 30 Sep 2013 Blog: Mainframe Expertsre:
Of course, the $175M for max. configured z196 TCO ($3.5M/BIPS processing) is just what is paid to IBM, doesn't include the other costs associated with running mainframe datacenter.
note that one of the issues is that RISC computers have had significant processing throughput over x86 computers for decades. However, the last several generations of x86 server chips have gone to RISC cores with hardware layer that translate x86 instructions into RISC micro-ops for execution. This significant mitigates the throughput difference between RISC and x86 processors ... as well as significantly reducing/commoditizing the processing costs.
By comparison recent mainframe geneology
z900, 16 processors, 2.5BIPS (156MIPS/proc), Dec2000
z990, 32 processors, 9BIPS, (281MIPS/proc), 2003
z9, 54 processors, 18BIPS (333MIPS/proc), July2005
z10, 64 processors, 30BIPS (469MIPS/proc), Feb2008
z196, 80 processors, 50BIPS (625MIPS/proc), Jul2010
EC12, 101 processors, 75BIPS (743MIPS/proc), Aug2012
Half of the per processor throughput improvement from z10 to z196 is
claimed to be incorporating features that have been in RISC processors
for decades (out-of-order execution, speculative execution, branch
preduction, etc) ... further refinments in RISC-like features then
contributes to further per processor throughput from z196 to EC12.
A big factor in these RISC throughput features is the continued mismatch in processor speed and memory access latency. When measured in number of processor cycles, a cache miss requiring memory access is comparable to 1960s disk access latency (when measured in number of 1960s processor cycles). Then out-of-order execution is somewhat hardware analogy to software multi-tasking ... being able to switch to different task while waiting for disk access.
When the system costs for a large megadatacenter (with more processing power than the aggregate of processing of all mainframes in the world today) has dropped to a few tens of millions (hundreds of thousands of systems and millions of processors), then other costs for running a large megadatacenter are an increasing percentage of TCO ... motivating the large cloud megadatacenter operations to be on the leading edge of green computing.
A recent, related post in "Old Geeks" "The cloud is killing
traditional hardware and software" discussion
http://lnkd.in/mGd4j5
The Hardware Facebook Invented Is Radically Changing The $150 Billion
Enterprise Market
http://www.businessinsider.com/pictures-facebooks-enterprise-hardware-2013-9
which references the OCP hardware projects (helping reduce hardware system costs).
also here:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#34 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
Part of the issue with needing more fiber connections is the horrendous throughput introduced by FICON layer. However, in the peak z196 I/O benchmarks it used 104 FICON to get 2M IOPS ... however all z196 system assist processors running at 100% busy is only capable of 2.2M SSCH/sec ... and they recommend keeping busy no more than 70% ... or 1.5M SSCH/sec.
Published numbers for EC12 is that I/O throughput is only 30% better than z196 ... although EC12 processing is 75BIPS with 101 processors ... is 50% more than z196 with 80 processors at 50BIPS.
So moving to 1024 FICON would be more trying to compensate for FICON throughput issues rather than needing the extra I/O capacity. Native FCS downloads i/o program to remote end as if data (significantly reducing aggregate processing latency & protocol chatter) and outgoing and incoming paths run asynchronously ... being able to achieve nearly media throughput concurrently on both paths. Latest 32gbit FCS then is capable of nearly 64gbit sustained. However, open systems are also doing 100gbit ethernet ... and doing i/o protocols over ethernet. Lots of brand name servers aren't necessarily optimized for level of throughput possible ... or is common at the large cloud megadatacenters.
Trivia: in 1980, santa teresa lab was bursting at the seams and they are moving 300 people from the IMS group to offsite bldg. They tried remote 3270s and found the human factors horrible compared to what they were use to with vm/cms local channel attach 3270s in the bldg. I get con'ed into do channel extender support for them so they can have local channel attach 3270s at the remote bldg back to the STL (since renamed silicon valley lab) datacenter. Part of the support is downloading the channel programs to the remote end ... so the channel protocol chatter & latency isn't impacting throughput (and channel extender runs downlink and uplink concurrently ... even tho mainframe channel is a half-duplex protocol). Role forward to 1988, when I'm asked to help LLNL standardize some of their serial technology then becomes FCS (and is what is under FICON), it includes download I/O programming and running both downlink and uplink concurrently.
more trivia: in 1980, tried releasing what I done for channel extender to customers ... but there was a group in POK playing with some serial stuff ... and they objected ... they were possibly afraid that if the channel-extender support was in the market, it would make it more difficult justifying releasing what they were playing with. However, by the time they released in 1990 with ES/9000 as ESCON ... it was already obsolete.
late 90s ... still in the wake of the "killer micros" and "death of the mainframe" ... there was billions of dollars spent by numerous financial institution on redoing overnight batch settlement. 70s&80s, saw batch financial infrastructures adding "real-time" front-end transactions ... but they were queued for final completion during the overnight batch window. The redo would have straight-through processing ... every transaction going straight through to completion. They were planning on leveraging lots of killer micro parallel processing ... and were using some general libraries to achieve the parallelization. Unfortunately the parallelizing libraries had 100 times the overhead of Cobol batch ... totally swamping the anticipated throughput improvements with lots of parallel killer micros ... and all the efforts go down in flames. This is a major continuing mainframe customer market ... financial institutions with scores of max-ed out mainframes constantly being upgraded. It doesn't take many to account for majority of annual mainframe sales ... and the value of the applications are still larger than what the systems cost.
A couple years ago, I was involved in taking a new generation of parallelizing straight-through process to financial industry association/standard meetings. It would take business rules and translate them into fine-grain SQL statements (helping maximizing parallelization) ... and then rely on the massive investments in RDBMS parallelizing and scale-up to achieve throughput (possibly only 3-5 times more overhead than Cobol batch, rather than the 100 times that tanked the 90s efforts). It was initially met with a great deal of acceptance ... and then things bogged down. We were finally told that there are lot of people in those institutions that still bear the scars from the earlier failures (who are now very risk adverse about changes). It will take another generation before they have the appetite to try again. Note modest configurations easily handled all current workloads (straight through transactions per second) and easily scale-up to well past any projected future requirements. It also significantly reduced life-cycle development and change costs ... just by needing to update business rules.
past post "Release No Software Before Its Time" referencing some IBM
Power scale-up results
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#43
some more recent TPC benchmarks
http://www.tpc.org/tpcc/results/tpcc_perf_results.asp
RISC & X86 benchmarks ... including price/transaction ... along with
SPEC benchmarks ... even IBM has done hundreds of such benchmarks (but
none show up for mainframe)
http://www.spec.org/benchmarks.html
and with regard to clones ... the claim is that much of the innovation in server chip technologies over the past decade is primarily because there is competition with multiple vendors. the other big motivation comes from the large cloud megadatacenters looking for significant increases in power & cooling efficiencies (from competing vendors) ... and may order tens of thousands at a time.
note even IBM is advertising upgrading x86 servers that are even only a few years old to current generation of servers because the gains in performance (and power/cooling efficiency) has been so great that there are massive consolidation opportunities (and cost savings).
problem is that x86 server technology has made much more advances over the past couple decades than mainframe. simple example is FICON layer on top of native FCS. Latest FCS announcement for e5-2600 blade claims over million IOPS while IBM's peak I/O benchmark for z196 is 2M IOPS with 104 FICON. Two of the latest FCS for e5-2600 has higher throughput than the IBM's peak I/O benchmark for z196 with 104 FICON (a heavyweight layer that radically cuts the throughput of native FCS) ... making the comparison just the inverse ... it is the mainframe that requires the hundreds of canoes.
similarly the original e5-2600 blade is rated at 527BIPS while max. configured 80 processor z196 is rated at 50BIPS and newer max. configured 101 processor EC12 is rated at 75BIPS (a single e5-2600 blade is equivalent processing of between 10.5 max. configured z196 systems and 7.6 max. configured 101 processor EC12 systems). This is separate from the millions times difference in the cost/BIPS.
the e5-2500 v2 blades is with newer, smaller, faster chip technology (process goes from 22nm to 14nm) and 12cores per chip rather than 8cores per chip ... giving v2 e5-2600 blade more than 50% more processing than original blade.
The IBM NeXtScale packing 84 x86 systems with 2,016 cores in a rack then has more processing power than the last 7yrs of IBM mainframe sales.
FUD reminds of the token-ring/ethernet stuff from the late 80s. Official IBM literature had 16mbit T/R with much higher throughput than 10mbit Ethernet ... however the new IBM Amaden research center that had just been built had extensive CAT4 originally intended for 16mbit token-ring ... but they found that running CAT4 with 10mbit Ethernet had higher aggregate throughput per LAN as well as lower transmission latency (compared to running with 16mbit token-ring). My best guess (other than pure fabrication by the token-ring group) was that they may have used for comparison the original 3mbit coax Ethernet before listen-before-transmit from nearly decade earlier.
In the late 80s, the communication group was desperately fighting off client/server and distributed computing trying to preserve their (mostly emulated) dumb terminal install base and paradigm. A senior disk engineer got a talk scheduled at the annual world-wide internal communication group conference to supposedly talk about 3174 performance ... but he opened the talk with the statement that the communication group was going to be responsible for the demise of the disk division. The communication group had stranglehold on datacenters with corporate strategic ownership of everything that crossed datacenter walls. The disk division was seeing drop in disk sales with data fleeing the datacenters to more distributed computing friendly platforms. The disk division had come up with a number of solutions to address the problem, but they were constantly being vetoed by the communication group.
This was major factor going into the early 90s with the company going into the red and predictions about the death of mainframes. In this period, the company had been re-organized into the 13 "baby blues" in preparation to breaking up the company ... but then the board brought in Gerstner to resurrect the company (and reverse the plans for breaking up).
Things would be much easier to compare if IBM were to publish TPC and SPEC benchmarks for mainframe like they have hundreds of published benchmarks for RISC and x86 platforms.
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: Quote on Slashdot.org Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 1 Oct 2013 12:32:08 -0700jwglists@GMAIL.COM (John Gilmore) writes:
other past posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004q.html#35 [Lit.] Buffer overruns
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005e.html#1 [Lit.] Buffer overruns
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006e.html#6 About TLB in lower-level caches
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006e.html#12 About TLB in lower-level caches
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#14 Newbie question on table design
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#58 Is Parallel Programming Just Too Hard?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008j.html#77 CLIs and GUIs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009l.html#36 Old-school programming techniques you probably don't miss
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#11 Microprocessors with Definable MIcrocode
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#54 PL/I vs. Pascal
It was used for a lot of VLSI tools before being released as product to
customers. It was then also used implementing the ibm mainframe tcp/ip
support ... I've periodically commented that it had none of the buffer
overrun and other exploits that have been epidemic in C-language based
implementations. some past posts about C-language vulnerabilities and
exploits
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#overflow
there was other throughput issues with the mainframe tcp/ip (got
44kbytes/sec using 3090 processor) ... but I did the changes for
rfc1044 support and in some tuning tests at cray research got
sustained channel speed between 4341 and cray ... using only modest
amount of 4341 processor (possibly 500 times improvement in bytes
moved per instruction executed). misc. past post mentioning 1044
support
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#1044
for the fun of it I did a rewrite in pascal of a major portion of the
VM370 kernel (done in assembler) ... and demonstrated it running
(faster) in virtual address space interacting with a smaller vm370
kernel. part of the issue was that mainframe PLI came with really
heavyweight library environment ... while Pascal could run in
effectively as an independent "embedded" environment. Note that this
wasn't directly a fault of PLI language ... since MIT Project MAC used
PLI language to implement the Multics operating system.
https://www.multicians.org/multics.html
the mainframe product pascal was ported to the rs/6000 ... and typically same pascal programs that ran on mainframe ran also on rs/6000.
after IBM went into the red in the early 90s, IBM was cutting back all over the place ... it transitioned to using a lot more off-the-shelf industry VLSI design tools ... transition included transfering a lot of internal tools to outside vendors. As part of one transfer, I got tasked to port one 50,000+ statement vs/pascal VLSI layout program to other vendor platforms. This was somewhat tramatic since 1) pascals on these platforms appeared like they had never been used for much more than univ. student instruction and 2) in one major case, the pascal support had been outsourced to an organization 12 time zones away (I could drop in the computer vendor hdqtrs location ... but still had to wait for minimum 1 day turn around).
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: Why is the mainframe so expensive? Date: 01 Oct 2013 Blog: Mainframe Expertsre:
IBM develops flexible nanocircuitry 10,000 times thinner than paper
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/145800-ibm-develops-flexible-nanocircuitry-10000-times-thinner-than-paper
not just IBM
Stanford snubs silicon with the first working computer built with
carbon nanotubes
http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/carbon-nanotubes-move-beyond-the-lab-in-first-functioning-computer/
part of the IBM press push is to offset: Stockman in "The Great
Deformation: The Corruption of Capitalism in America"
pg464/loc9995-10000:
IBM was not the born-again growth machine trumpeted by the mob of Wall
Street momo traders. It was actually a stock buyback contraption on
steroids. During the five years ending in fiscal 2011, the company
spent a staggering $67 billion repurchasing its own shares, a figure
that was equal to 100 percent of its net income.
pg465/10014-17:
Total shareholder distributions, including dividends, amounted to $82
billion, or 122 percent, of net income over this five-year
period. Likewise, during the last five years IBM spent less on capital
investment than its depreciation and amortization charges, and also
shrank its constant dollar spending for research and development by
nearly 2 percent annually.
... snip ...
Says it saves mainframe costs but doesn't say how it compares to other platforms.
Demand for Linux on IBM's System z Accelerates, Clients Continue to
See Cost Savings
http://www.linux.com/news/enterprise/systems-management/740850-demand-for-linux-on-system-z-accelerates-ibm-clients-continue-to-see-cost-savings-
IBMers were working with MIT on CTSS on IBM 7094
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatible_Time-Sharing_System
some of the CTSS people went to the IBM science center which opened in
1964 on 4th flr of 545 tech sq. Other CTSS people went to project mac
on the 5th flr ... The science center was hoping the project mac
contract would go to IBM, but it eventually went to GE. The science
center still thought they would have the mission for IBM online
virtual memory ... but that went to an "official" IBM group for
something called TSS/360. The science center did manage to get a
360/40 and they did the hardware modifications to support virtual
memory and built virtual machine/memory system cp40/cms
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP-40
cp40 talk given at 1982 SEAS meeting
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/cp40seas1982.txt
later when they got standard virtual memory computer, 360/67, cp40
morphed into cp67
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/CMS
At one point there was something like 1200 people working on tss/360
at the same time there was total of 12 working on cp67/cms. some past
posts about 545 tech sq
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech
three other people at the science center invented GML in 1969 and GML
tag processing was added to CMS script document formating program (CMS
script started out sort of as port of CTSS runoff)
https://web.archive.org/web/20231001185033/http://www.sgmlsource.com/history/roots.htm
a decade later, GML morphs into ISO standard SGML. After another
decade, SGML morphs into HTML at CERN
http://infomesh.net/html/history/early/
then the first webserver outside CERN/europe is on the SLAC VM370
system
https://ahro.slac.stanford.edu/wwwslac-exhibit
past posts mentioning gml/sgml/html
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#sgml
A copy of CP67 was installed on the Lincoln Labs 360/67 and then last
week of Jan1968, three people from science center came out and
installed it at the univ. where I was undergraduate. This is recent
post in the IBM-MAIN mailing list on working long hrs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#16
I had responsibility for the production os/360 system ran on 360/67 in
360/65 mode ... they would shutdown the datacenter from 8am sat. until
8am monday ... and could have everything all to myself for 48hrs
... 48hrs w/o sleep made classes a little tough on monday. However, I
(also) got to rewrite a lot of cp67 that spring and summer ... and
gave a presentation at the fall68 share meeting ... part of that
presentation (both lots of os/360 performance enhancements as well as
lots of cp67 enhancements).
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#18
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: Quote on Slashdot.org Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 2 Oct 2013 07:21:45 -0700lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes:
not only didn't Pascal sofware have the vulnerabilities epidemic in C
language software ... but Multics PLI also didn't have those
vulnerabilities ... old posts referencing IBM Research paper
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002l.html#42 Thirty Years Later: Lessons from the Multics Security Evaluation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002l.html#44 Thirty Years Later: Lessons from the Multics Security Evaluation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002l.html#45 Thirty Years Later: Lessons from the Multics Security Evaluation
original paper now 40yrs ago
http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/history/karg74.pdf
ibm research paper a decade ago
http://www.acsac.org/2002/papers/classic-multics.pdf
there was little competition between the science center on the 4th flr
tech sq with cp67/cms (later morphs into vm370) and project mac on the
5th flr and multics ... some past posts mentioning tech sq
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech
csc/vm (&/or sjr/vm) posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#cscvm
from long ago and far away
https://web.archive.org/web/20090117083033/http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/list-archive/0409/8362.shtml
and theirs
https://www.multicians.org/mgs.html#SiteN
another cp/67 story (USL was in another bldg in tech sq)
https://www.multicians.org/thvv/360-67.html
complete list of Multics sites
https://www.multicians.org/sites.html
psuedo competition and one of my hobbies was providing highly modified
custom virtual machine systems for internal datacenters. it wasn't
"fair" to compare total number of multics to total number of vm370 or
even total number of multics to total number of internal vm370 ... but
could compare total number of multics to number of internal csc/vm sites
(well over 100 at one point). old email referencing csc/vm
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006v.html#email731212
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email750102
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email750430
another multics
https://www.multicians.org/mga.html#AFDSC
and I tweaked them with AFDS looking at 20 vm/4341s which turned
into 210 vm/4341s
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#email790404
posting in multics discussion group
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#12
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: Words Are Thinking Tools: Praxotype Date: 03 Oct 2013 Blog: Google+re:
Words Are Thinking Tools: Praxotype
http://news.yahoo.com/words-thinking-tools-praxotype-145400279.html
and then
Our Struggles Start With Semantics. And Quickly Scale Up To
"ParadigmAntics."
http://mikenormaneconomics.blogspot.com/2013/09/individuals-struggle-with-semantics.html
So one factor is study that majority of people presented with unrefutable facts that contradict their beliefs, they go with their beliefs ... aka their basic world view is based on past experience and beliefs ... and not logic ... sort of anti-Spock. Creativity tends to be something that changes the status quo ... but apparently most people are confined to the status quo
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Open source software Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 17:15:43 -0400scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
cp.r operating system was implemented in pl.8 ... was suppose to be completely closed system ... there was no hardware protection and execution privileges. claim was that cp.r would only load valid compiled pl.8 programs for execution ... and pl.8 programs could execute all features (things that would require kernel calls in other environments could be done "inline" with cp.r and pl.8).
circa 1980, there were a number of efforts to replace a large variety of
different internal microprocessors with 801/risc ("Iliad" processors)
... lots of embedded processors in controllers, the microprocessors in
low&mid-range 370, the as/400 follow-on to s/38, ... etc. some misc.
old email
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#801
for whatever reasons, the efforts floundered and some number left to do
risc efforts at other vendors. At least one of the people went to HP and
worked on snake (pa-risc) ... and later is one of the major people
behind itanium
http://www.hpl.hp.com/news/2001/apr-jun/itanium.html
and
http://www.hpl.hp.com/news/2001/apr-jun/worley.html
one of the referenced "801" emails was somebody asking whether I would be leaving and going to HP also.
another one of the 1980 efforts was the 801/risc ROMP processor that was going to be the follow on to the displaywriter. when that got killed, they decided to retarget it to unix workstation market. they got company that did AT&T unix port to ibm/pc for pc/ix ... to do a port to ROMP ... and you get PC/RT & AIX (however, needed hardware privileged/non-privileged execution modes)
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: Quote on Slashdot.org Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 3 Oct 2013 15:24:51 -0700shmuel+gen@PATRIOT.NET (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes:
in the 70s ... lots of the languages were in downtown NYC in the
"time/life" bldg ... when that got shutdown, some eventually show up to
STL (now called silicon valley lab). This has reference to time-life
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_PP7090.html
this also has reference to time/life
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/1401.html
Then they outsourced PL/I to an outside company ... and transferred lots
of technology to the company ... including advanced code optimizing
techniques from other parts of the company unrelated to PL/I. this
results in some amount of uproar comments from around the company. a
little longer discussion in this past post
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#71
this has some PL/I history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL/I
it doesn't mention the outsourcing ... but it does mention STL launched an entirely new compiler in 1992 (possibly part of bringing it back in house).
it does mention work by the IBM Boston Programming Center ... which
was also in 545 tech sq ... multics implemented in pli on the 5th
flr, ibm science center on the 4th flr, and the boston programming
center on the 3rd flr.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#36
other posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech
Jean Sammet was also at the boston programming center on the 3rd flr
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_E._Sammet
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: US Naval History Conference Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 09:51:24 -0400US Naval History Conference
One of the panelist mention having been in MOL and when that got cut they were sent to interview for the shuttle program. 60s, IBM had meeting in sunnyvale (I was doing lot of software stuff, still undergraduate, but IBM would sucker me into giving presentations and even teaching classes). There was somebody from MOL there ... a special triplex 360/67 was being done for ground systems (similar, but different to the triplex 360s being done for the FAA air traffic control system).
standard duplex 360/67 had lots of stuff not seen in 360/65MP. It
included a "channel controller" and being able to address all channels
from all processors. Standard "channel controller" had switches that
controlled both memory and channel configuration ... and the setting
of the channel controller switch settings were available in
"control registers" ... see 360/67 functional characteristics
on bitsavers
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/functional_characteristics/A27-2719-0_360-67_funcChar.pdf
one of the features in the triplex ... was the control registers could also be changed to alter the configuration.
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: 50,000 x86 operating system on single mainframe Date: 04 Oct 2013 Blog: Enterprise Systemsre:
Note that the (current) dhrystone MIPS/BIPS references are the number of dhrystone benchmark iterations compared to the number of iterations on 370/158 ... assumed to be a 1MIP processor (not actually the count of instructions ... which might be radically different run on different platforms and architectures).
As an aside, I had done benchmarks for national lab with a precursor to dhrystones on vm/4341 engineering machines .... national lab was looking at compute farm of 70 vm/4341s. vm/4341 clusters (compute farms) can be considered the precursor to GRID & CLOUD computing ... while they were also the precursor to the distributed computing tsunami ... with corporations (including internal IBM) ordering hundreds at a time and putting them out in departmental areas.
vm/4341 clusters had higher aggregate throughput than 3033, cost less, required much less floor space and all the other environmental resources (power, cooling, etc). The threat to POK high-end machines was such that at one point, the head of POK got the corporate allocation of a critical 4341 manufacturing component cut in half (one of the difference was then clusters of 4341 were required to provide more aggregate throughput than high-end POK machine ... now multiple high-end POK machines are required to provide more aggregate throughput than a modern blade).
some old vm/4341 related email
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#4341
I actually worked on project in the mid-80s to have large number of
racks where 370 and non-370 processors could be arbitrarily
intermixed. However at the same time I was working with NSF for what
would become NSFNET backbone (precursor to the modern internet) and
had some conflicts between 370/non-370 cluster mixture meetings and
meetings with the director of NSF ... old email reference:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#email850312 .
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#email850313 .
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#email850314 .
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#email850315 .
other old NSFNET related email
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#nsfnet
we were supposed to get $20M to link together all the NSF supercomputer centers ... then congress cut the budget and a couple other things happened ... but then NSF finally released an RFP ... however we were prevented from bidding on the RFP (the communication group found out what was going on and blocked it) ... the director of NSF tried to help writing the company a letter 3Apr1986, NSF Director to IBM Chief Scientist and IBM Senior VP and director of Research, copying IBM CEO) ... but that just made the internal politics worse (including references to what we already had running was at least five yrs ahead of all bid responses).
There was huge amount of communication group misinformation and FUD
... including claims that NSFNET backbone could be run over SNA/VTAM
.... somebody was collecting a lot of the communication group email
exchanges on the subject and forwarded the collection to us
... reference
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email870109
reference to NSFNET backbone precursor to GRID computing (modern
internet and the cloud).
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/401444/grid-computing/
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: Is the zVM list defunct? Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 4 Oct 2013 12:10:11 -0700nhaley@CA.IBM.COM (Neil Haley) writes:
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: Why is the mainframe so expensive? Date: 06 Oct 2013 Blog: Mainframe Expertsre:
benchmark comparisons including rdbms financial transactions tpc
... provided by lots of vendors ... even ibm (except for mainframe)
http://www.tpc.org/
tpc in large part because jim gray
https://www.tpc.org/information/who/gray5.asp
tpc work mostly after he left ibm san jose research for tandem. at ibm
research he worked on the original sql/relational implementation,
system/r done on vm370 370/145, some past posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#systemr
as he was leaving, he offloaded some number of things on me ... rdbms
work, interacting with some of the early system/r customers,
consulting with the IMS group in STL, etc, some old email
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#email801006 .
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#email801016 .
at the celebration for Jim Gray at Berkeley after his disappearance
... he was credited for many things including enabling ATM cash
machine and electronic commerce by his formalization of transactions
which gave financial auditors assurance in the integrity of computer
records.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008p.html#27 Father Of Financial Dataprocessing
Celebration pages at berkeley.edu have gone 404, but live on at
wayback machine
https://web.archive.org/web/20080616153833/http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/IPRO/JimGrayTribute/pressrelease.html .
from above
Gray is known for his groundbreaking work as a programmer, database
expert and Microsoft engineer. Gray's work helped make possible such
technologies as the cash machine, ecommerce, online ticketing, and
deep databases like Google.
... snip ...
also
https://web.archive.org/web/20080604010939/http://webcast.berkeley.edu/event_details.php?webcastid=23082
https://web.archive.org/web/20080604072804/http://webcast.berkeley.edu/event_details.php?webcastid=23083
https://web.archive.org/web/20080604072809/http://webcast.berkeley.edu/event_details.php?webcastid=23087
https://web.archive.org/web/20080604072815/http://webcast.berkeley.edu/event_details.php?webcastid=23088
tribute also by ACM SIGMOD
https://web.archive.org/web/20111118062042/http://www.sigmod.org/publications/sigmod-record/0806
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: 50,000 x86 operating system on single mainframe Date: 06 Oct 2013 Blog: Enterprise Systemsre:
Back in the 70s, I wrote several articles on the downfall of running a virtual memory system under a virtual memory system. This was mitigated with SVS & VS1 with handshaking and a one-for-one mapping between the virtual guests virtual address space and the virtual guests virtual machine addresses but became an enormous problem with MVS and multiple virtual address spaces.
The issue is vm370 managing pages in "real" memory attempts to select the least recently used page for replacement. at the same time the virtual guest is also managing the virtual machine memory and attempting to select its recently used page for replacement. Its easily possibly to get in pathological situation where vm370 selects and removes a virtual machine page ... which is also the same exact page that the virtual guest next wants to use (violating the assumptions underpinning least recently used replacement algorithms).
From a algorithm standpoint, a least recently used strategy assumes that the page that has been used the least in the past is also the page that is least likely to be used in the future. When a virtual guest is also running a least recently used strategy ... it violates the vm370 least recently used assumption; the virtual guest's least recently used pages can be the most likely pages to be used in the future (since it is looking for those pages for the next page to use).
Note that MVS has a similar issue with large DBMS/RDBMS that use a LRU strategy to manage large DBMS/RDBMS cache and needs some sort of interaction between the DBMS/RDBMS and MVS.
past posts mentioning virtual memory management
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#wsclock
Note that in 1992, IBM went into the red and was re-organized into 13
"baby blues" in preparation for breaking up the company. during the
period, there was large number of things dropped and/or shelved. Post
in recent thread in ibm-main mailing list
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#36
one of the (many) things IBM was doing in that period was eliminating lots of internal VLSI design tools and moving to industry products. part of the transition was transferring many internal tools to vlsi tool vendors ... which included porting the tools to other platforms (common in the vlsi chip industry).
Eventually the board brought in Gerstner to reverse the breakup and resurrect the company. Part of Gerstner efforts was to refocus the company much more on services and significantly reduced emphasis on hardware products ... which further resulted in shelving/eliminating additional activities.
posts mentioning Gerstner
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#gerstner
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: IBM now employs more workers in India than US Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 6 Oct 2013 10:16:28 -0700edgould1948@COMCAST.NET (Ed Gould) writes:
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: Quote on Slashdot.org Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 6 Oct 2013 12:53:30 -0700re:
multics (5th flr, 545 tech sq) also managed to ship the first relational
DBMS product.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multics_Relational_Data_Store
and
http://www.mcjones.org/System_R/mrds.html
ibm san jose research was doing sql/relational "system/r" on vm370
370/145 (vm370 outgrowth of virtual machine work by the science center
on 4th flr, 545 tech sq) ... but had real uphill slog dealing with the
company. past posts mentioning system/r
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#systemr
during future system era ... 370 efforts were being killed off
(lack of 370 products during the period credited with giving
clone processors a market foothold). some number of past refs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys
then when future system implodes there is mad rush to get products back
into product pipelines ... q&d dirty efforts are kicked off to do both
303x (3031 is repacked 158, 3032 is repackaged 168, and 3033 is 168
logic mapped to 20% faster chips), 3081 (warmed over fs technology) and
370xa ... partial reference
http://www.jfsowa.com/computer/memo125.htm
however, head of POK manages to convince corporate to kill off virtual machine product and transfer all the people to POK in support of mvs/xa (claiming otherwise mvs/xa wouldn't be able to make ship schedule several years in the future). endicott finally did managed to save the virtual machine product mission (for entry and mid-ranage 370) ... but had to reconstitute a vm370 group from scratch.
then, in part because the corporation was so focused on the next marvelous DBMS (EAGLE) ... the system/r group was eventually able to do technology transfer to endicott and get it released as SQL/DS ("under the radar" so to speak while the corporation was pre-occupied with EAGLE).
when EAGLE finally implodes, there was a request about how fast could system/r be ported to MVS ... which is eventually released as DB2 ... initially for decision/support only.
for other trivia ... this mentions early jan1992 meeting in ellison's
conference room ... one of the people in the meeting claims to have done
most of the technology transfer of sql/ds from endicott back to
stl for what would become db2.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#13
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: "There IS no force, just inertia" Date: 06 Oct, 2013 Blog: Old Geekre:
tribute to Boyd after his death (originally in USNI proceeding)
http://radio-weblogs.com/0107127/stories/2002/12/23/genghisJohnChuckSpinneysBioOfJohnBoyd.html
above mentions 40-second boyd ... when he was instructor at Nellis he had standing invitation that he would take on anybody in the world, give them the position of advantage and beat them within 40secs.
he wrote a fighter pilot training manual that included calculations on how to profile different fighter jets ... and the pilot needed to maneuver in regions where they had the advantage and the opponent had the disadvantage. the claim was that intelligence later obtained a soviet fighter pilot training manual that turned out to boyd's translated to russian with measurements/units converted to metrics.
later he used his theories to significantly improve the F15 design and
then design the F16 (for which the F15 forces attempted to have
prosecuted and sentenced to Leavenworth) and the F18.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy-maneuverability_theory
this is blog mentioning that much of it is classified ... even if the
Soviets may have gotten a copy
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?72673-Boyd-s-E-M-Theory
note that there are references to d-n-i.net URL ... that domain name
went defunct and was obtained by somebody else. eventually much was
reconstituted at
http://dnipogo.org/
with
http://dnipogo.org/john-r-boyd/
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Open source software Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 09:50:56 -0400Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: 50,000 x86 operating system on single mainframe Date: 09 Oct 2013 Blog: Enterprise Systemsre:
when I worked on ECPS mcode for 138/148 ... we got 10:1 performance
improvement. we were told that there were 6kbytes of mcode space and
we were to select the 6k highest used kernel paths to move to
microcode ... and roughly one-for-one basis. at the time, the
low&mid-range 370s were executing an avg. of 10 instructions for every
emulated 370 instruction ... old kernel evaulation for choosing 6k
... accounted for approx. 80% of kernel cpu use:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#21
late 70s, an internal program started up to convert large number of
different microprocessors to 801/risc including low&mid-range 370
native processors (4361/4381 follow-on to 4331/4341, as/400 follow-on to
s/36&s/38, embedded controllers, etc). For various reasons, those
efforts floundered (and found people departing to do risc efforts at
other vendors). I contriubted to a white paper that 4381 should be
native silicon ... i.e. technology was advancing to a point where
large percentage of 370 could be implemented natively in silicon
(rather than m'code). old email mentioning 801/risc
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#801
it was also in this period that saw 4300s showing up in departmental
areas (leading edge of the distributed computing tsunami) ... old
email
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#43xx
price/performaance and technology dropped through some threshold in
this market and saw big explosion in sales. VAX sold approx. same as
4300 into this market involving sales of one or few machine
orders. Difference was in the large corporate 4300 orders involving
hundreds of machines. This is a decade of VAX numbers sliced&diced by
model, year, US/non-US, etc.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002f.html#0
as can be seen, starting in mid-80s, the numbers started to drop off
as that mid-range market shifting to workstations & large
PCs. 4361/4381 had expected to see continued explosion in sales (as
vax, 4331/4341, etc) ... but 4361/4381 experienced same market shift
as vax. this has some other numbers for 88-92
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#52
Note that risc implementations have had throughput advantage over x86 processors for decades. however, the last few generations of x86 server chips have moved to risc cores with hardware layer that converts x86 instructions into risc micro-ops for execution (largely mitigating the difference in risc and x86). This is sort of the late 70s IBM effort trying to move everything to risc ... but done in hardware rather than microcode. Also the hardware implementation is pipelined and runs asynchronously (rather than sequential/serialized). Even the z196 & EC12 have started incorporating processing technologies that have been in risc for decades.
Part of risc technology for decades (and x86 moving to risc core with hardware layer translating x86 instructions into risc micro-ops) has been out-of-order execution ... with increasing sophistication of things like branch prediction and speculative execution (allowing fetching of instructions past conditional branch ... where basis for condition hasn't been evaluated yet) is the increasing latency to memory (as measured in processor cycles).
when cache-miss and resulting latency of memory access is measured in number of processor cycles ... it is comparable to the 60s disk access latency when measures in number of 60s processor CPU cycles. Then out-of-order execution is sort of like 60s multiprogramming/multitasking allowing execution to go on while other execution is waiting for disk i/o. Another technology to increase processing throughput while waiting for cache-miss (and memory access latency) is hyperthreading ... hardware execution of multiple concurrent instructions streams.
This is discussion about major factor in decision to move to virtual
memory for all 370s was showing that it could get OS/360 effectively
running 16 initiators on a one mbyte machine. The issue was that
OS/360 required contiguously addressed memory for an
initiator/partition and there was issue/problem in its memory
management so typical application running only used 25% of contiguous
memory reserved. Running 16 concurrent applications on one megabyte
machine (with virtual memory) increased throughput because of better
CPU utilization overlapped with waiting for disk i/o.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#73
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#3
Note that the data cames from work by one of the people responsible for HASP ... had moved on and was doing a prototype virtual memory based OS/360 called RASP. The RASP work then wasn't directly used and the person leaves for Amdahl and recreates it from scratch (although there was some IBM litigation about possibly having taken some of the IBM version with him when he left). Although not directly a factor in the decision, the RASP work was substantiated by customer MVT "handshaking" work, running MVT in 16mbyte virtual machine under CP67. In any case it spawns decision to start making all 370s with virtual memory (modulo 370/195) ... DOS/VS, OS/VS1, and OS/VS2 (initially SVS and then later MVS).
Note that 195 (360 & 370) had pipelined out-of-order execution (but didn't support branch prediction and/or speculative execution). Normal codes on 370/195 typically only ran at half peak throughput (stalling whenever there was conditional branch). I got sucked into helping do some work on hyperthreading for 370/195 (that never shipped) where it simulated two SMP processor with two instructions streams (instructions and registers in the pipeline were flagged with one-bit instruction stream identifier). There was expectations that two instruction streams running at half throughput would then have chance of achieving near peak throughput.
As mentioned upthread, something like half the per processor throughput improvement moving from z10 to z196 is attributed to the introduction of out-of-order execution.
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Steve B sees what investors think Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 10:34:09 -0400Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes:
somewhat spawned by the tobacco industry in the 50s trying to obfuscate
the lung cancer issue ... but then they went on to working for other
industry special interests ... including MICC in the 80s and the Team
B analysis. references to Team B
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#team.b
and MICC
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex
recent reference here
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/d14c47e51c31
There have been studies about portion of the population when faced with indisputable facts that contradict their *beliefs* ... they go with their *beliefs*.
also discussed here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_cascade
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: Retirement Savings Date: 10 Oct 2013 Blog: FacebookMajor HFT is front-running by as little as a couple tens of milliseconds news that affect the emotion ... skimming off the other traders ... with HFT accounting for majority of trades and the uneven playing field, there are increasing warnings that ordinary investors will be driven from the market ... just leaving HFT players trying to scam each other.
Besides the enormous damage to the federal budget and increase in
spending the last decade, there was removing regulatory and
enforcement oversight of the financial industry. That was major factor
in the $27T in triple-A rated toxic CDOs done during last decade, and
majority of the financial mess (along with the hundreds of trillions
in CDS gambling bets).
Evil Wall Street Exports Boomed With 'Fools' Born to Buy Debt
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2008-10-27/evil-wall-street-exports-boomed-with-fools-born-to-buy-debt
the lack of regulation and oversight also allowed the too-big-to-fail
to carry trillions of the triple-A rated toxic CDOs "off-book" ... and
when things crashed, that would have been sufficient to take down all
those institutions. At the end of 2008, just the four largest
too-big-to-fail were carrying $5.2T "off-book".
Bank's Hidden Junk Menaces $1 Trillion Purge
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=akv_p6LBNIdw&refer=home
Much of the economic measures done since the crash have been directed 1) at clearing the enormous amount of off-book toxic assets without having to acknowledge their existence (and forced liquidation of the institutions) and 2) obfuscate the horrible damage done to the budget last decade.
there are increasing number of ways that HFTs are scamming the system
... this is just one
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-08/dear-sec-show-us-data
... at the bottom of the above, there are references to a few more.
HFT isn't "investing" in the traditional sense ... it is just skimming from everybody else on the spread between the moment when then get in and the time they get out. The scams are gimmicks where they guarantee that spread.
trivia: late 90s, we were asked to come in to NSCC (before they merged with DTC to form DTCC) to look at improving the integrity of trades and exchanges. I worked on it for awhile and then got told it was suspended. It turns out a side-effect of the integrity work would have greatly increase transparency and visibility ... which is an anathema to wallstreet culture. This was even before HFT ... but there was reference that something like 1/3rd of the trades activity (offers and accepts) couldn't stand the light of day
Self-regulating assumed that people would recognize consequences but
1) individuals could win big and any consequences fell on the institutions while the individual walks away with the winnings
2) "moral hazard" ... too-big-to-fail ... nobody holds the institution (nor individual) accountable
3) large percentage of traders are considered sociopaths which include characteristic that they have difficulty associating consequences and actions
copied from facebook "IBM Retirees"
https://web.archive.org/web/20181019074906/http://www.ibmemployee.com/RetirementHeist.shtml
and
https://www.amazon.com/Retirement-Heist-Companies-American-ebook/dp/B003QMLC6K/
which also references corporate health programs.
As an aside, middle of last decade ... I got caught in large public equity company doing reverse IPO (largest reverse IPO up until that time) and all of corporate hdqtrs got eliminated in process.
References private equity last decade morphs into analogy to "flip
this house" except they load the original loan on the company flipped
... they make large profit even if they sell the company for less than
they paid (more than half corporate debt defaults are by companies
involved in private equity reverse ipo)
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/business/economy/05simmons.html
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years ago today Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:34:38 -0400'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years ago today
from above:
On Sept. 27, 1983, a young Richard Stallman set the stage for both Linux
and the open source software movement
... snip ...
also leading up to Unix Wars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_wars
and Open Software Foundation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Software_Foundation
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years ago today Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 09:00:19 -0400Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
a little over 30yrs ago, spring1982 ... i held internal advanced
technology conference ... one of the themes was building something could
compete with unix and portable across number of architectures
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/96.html#4a
this was about the start of the OCO-wars (object code only) ...
and just before emergence of ibm/pc. oco-wars reference in
the vmshare archive (online computer conferencing provided
by tymshare to share organization starting in aug1976)
http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/browse.cgi?fn=OCOBUS&ft=MEMO
http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/browse.cgi?fn=OCO:BDAY&ft=MEMO
23jun69 was the announcement of starting to charge for application
software as the result of various litigation ... some past posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#unbundle
but they made the case that they could still ship kernel software for free.
then came the future system effort that was going to replace 360/370
and be completely different. during the FS period they were suspending
and/or shutting down various 370 efforts ... some past posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys
a lot of the stuff that i had done as undergraduate that was
incorporated into cp67 ... recent post
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#38
and also this most recent addition to linkedin discussion
in Boyd group in PDCA vs. OODA (all the way at the bottom) ... also
ms/dos reference
http://lnkd.in/j9U4bS
then in the morph and simplification from cp67 to vm370, some amount of
my stuff was dropped. during the FS period, i continued to work on cp67
stuff ... even makig critical refs. and parody of FS (which wasn't
exactly career enhancing activity). Then I moved a bunch of stuff
from cp67 to vm370
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006v.html#email731212
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email750102
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email750430
then with the failure of FS effort, there was mad rash to get
stuff back into 370 product pipelines ... which contributed
to designing to release various pieces that i had continued
to work on. one of the pieces was making the dynamic adaptive
resource management ... a separately packages kernel product
and selected to be the guinea pig for starting to charge
for kernel software (i got to spend some amount of time with
business and legal people about kernel charging policies).
some past posts about dynamic adaptive resource management
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#fairshare
note that with the current 370 simualtor, HERCULES ... they've been
making available packaged kernel software (with source) that predates
kernel software charging.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_%28emulator%29
my charged-for vm370 dyamic adaptive resource manager was first release with vm370 release 3. then increasing amounts of kernel software was added to the charged-for category. vm370 release 6 was the last release that had "free" software (with separate charged for components). then they changed the name to vm/sp and everything became charged for (followed by the switch to OCO and OCO-wars).
The change to charged for kernel-software and then OCO ... could be considered a response to the rise of 370 clone processor business. And the lack of 370 products during the Future System period is considered responsible for the rise of the 370 clone processor business.
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years agotoday Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:01:33 -0400Wayne Salamon <xenon@wsalamon.net> writes:
recent "GreaterIBM" item:
The Origins of Cloud Computing -- from the 1920s
http://greateribm.wordpress.com/2013/10/10/the-origins-of-cloud-computing-from-the-1920s/
leading up to outsourcing and Service Bureau Corporation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_Bureau_Corporation
Service Bureau Corporation went to CDC in the period of litigation
that also resulted in 23jun1969 unbundling announcement, recent
post
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#55
however, there was online virtual-machine based commercial bureaus
that were spin-offs of cp67 and the cambridge science center (includes
reference to cp/cms as free software):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/CMS
one of the first
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP/CSS
some more history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_CP/CMS
there was also tymshare ... which provided their online cms-based
computer comferencing free to share (for vmshare) starting in Aug1976
... archive
http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/
However there is this articale on Grid Computing and NSFNET backbone
also precursor to modern cloud computing:
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/401444/grid-computing/
we were working with several of the institutions that would become
part of the NSFNET backbone. We were originally to get $20M to tie
together the NSF supercomputer centers. Congress then cut the funding
and several other things happened, and eventually NSF released an
NSFNET backbone RFP. Internal politics prevents us from bidding, the
director of NSF tries to help by writing letter to the company 3Apr1986, NSF Director to IBM Chief Scientist and IBM Senior VP and director of Research, copying IBM CEO), but that just makes the internal politics (as well
as references to what we already had running was at least five years
ahead of all bid responaces). some old email
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#nsfnet
the other is the work on collecting large numbers of workstation
processors for both commercial processing ... old reference to
meeting in Ellison's conference room early jan1992
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#13
as well as work with national labs and supercomputer centers.
some old email
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#medusa
within hrs of the last email in above, the cluster scale-up
work was transferred and we were told we couldn't work on
anything with more than four processors. Within a couple
weeks it was announced as ibm supercomputer (for scientific
and technical ONLY) ... press preference 17Feb1992
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#6000clusters1
another press reference later that spring commenting that the interest
in large number of processors caught them by SURPRISE (11May1992)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#6000clusters2
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years agotoday Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:20:30 -0400re:
more topic drift, there was some overlap in the executives involved in not letting us bid on NSFNET backbone and executives transferring cluster scale-up, telling us we couldn't work on anything with more than four processors (and announcing for scientific and technical *only*)
including misinformation like NSFNET backbone could run over SNA/VTAM
... somebody in the communication group collected emails from that
discussion, packaged them up and forwarded them to us ... heavily pruned
& redacted old email
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email870109
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30yearsagotoday Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:45:56 -0400Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
tymshare did 370 gnosis ... with lots of stuff. when m/d bought tymshare, they spun gnosis off as keykos (disclaimer: i was brought in to evaluate/audit gnosis as part of the spin-off). gnosis had some huge pathlength supporting 3rd party charging for applications developed and deployed on gnosis platform ... which were eliminated as part of morphing into keykos.
keykos was high-integrity capability-based system ... but benchmarks
(with gnosis accounting overhead removed) claimed it could do
transactions at higher rate than ACP/TPF (aka airline control program)
... in part because of higher level abstraction and more efficient use
of resources.
http://cap-lore.com/CapTheory/upenn/Key370/Key370.html
then there were some number of keykos derivatives for x86 ... designed
for super high-integrity EAL 7+ evaluation level with high performance.
http://cap-lore.com/CapTheory/upenn/
http://www.eros-os.org/
http://www.capros.org/
past posts mentioning gnosis, keykos &/or capros
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#69 TSS ancient history, was X86 ultimate CISC? designs)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000g.html#22 No more innovation? Get serious
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001b.html#73 7090 vs. 7094 etc.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001g.html#33 Did AT&T offer Unix to Digital Equipment in the 70s?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001g.html#35 Did AT&T offer Unix to Digital Equipment in the 70s?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#10 TSS/360
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002f.html#59 Blade architectures
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002g.html#0 Blade architectures
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002g.html#4 markup vs wysiwyg (was: Re: learning how to use a computer)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002h.html#43 IBM doing anything for 50th Anniv?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002i.html#63 Hercules and System/390 - do we need it?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002j.html#75 30th b'day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003g.html#18 Multiple layers of virtual address translation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003h.html#41 Segments, capabilities, buffer overrun attacks
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#15 two pi, four phase, 370 clone
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003j.html#20 A Dark Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003k.html#50 Slashdot: O'Reilly On The Importance Of The Mainframe Heritage
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003l.html#19 Secure OS Thoughts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003l.html#22 Secure OS Thoughts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003l.html#26 Secure OS Thoughts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003m.html#24 Intel iAPX 432
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003m.html#54 Thoughts on Utility Computing?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004c.html#4 OS Partitioning and security
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#27 NSF interest in Multics security
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004m.html#29 Shipwrecks
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004m.html#49 EAL5
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004n.html#41 Multi-processor timing issue
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004o.html#33 Integer types for 128-bit addressing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005.html#7 How do you say "gnus"?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005b.html#6 [Lit.] Buffer overruns
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005b.html#7 [Lit.] Buffer overruns
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005b.html#12 [Lit.] Buffer overruns
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005c.html#67 intel's Vanderpool and virtualization in general
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005d.html#43 Secure design
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005d.html#50 Secure design
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005h.html#13 Today's mainframe--anything to new?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005k.html#30 Public disclosure of discovered vulnerabilities
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005s.html#12 Flat Query
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006k.html#37 PDP-1
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006m.html#34 PDP-1
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006p.html#13 What part of z/OS is the OS?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006s.html#7 Very slow booting and running and brain-dead OS's?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#42 vmshare
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#11 Multiple mappings
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#16 "The Elements of Programming Style"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#26 user level TCP implementation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#25 LAX IT failure: leaps of faith don't work
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#17 Oddly good news week: Google announces a Caps library for Javascript
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008b.html#24 folklore indeed
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008b.html#50 How does ATTACH pass address of ECB to child?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#12 Kernels
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#7 was: 1975 movie "Three Days of the Condor" tech stuff
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#23 Doug Engelbart's "Mother of All Demos"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#14 Two views of Microkernels (Re: Kernels
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#3 New machine code
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#4 Possibility of malicious CPUs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#28 Opinion: The top 10 operating system stinkers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#84 Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#9 Far and near pointers on the 80286 and later
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#53 Far and near pointers on the 80286 and later
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#75 What is the protocal for GMT offset in SMTP (e-mail) header
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#63 VMSHARE Archives
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#31 Colossal Cave Adventure in PL/I
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#2 Other early NSFNET backbone
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#71 Multiple Virtual Memory
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#35 junking CKD; was "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#37 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#42 i432 on Bitsavers?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#55 Any candidates for best acronyms?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#39 Just a quick link to a video by the National Research Council of Canada made in 1971 on computer technology for filmmaking
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#40 GNOSIS & KeyKOS
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#43 Virtual address Memory Protection Unit
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#53 Operating System, what is it?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#59 Operating System, what is it?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#57 1132 printer history
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#58 1132 printer history
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#57 Blades versus z was Re: Turn Off Another Light - Univ. of Tennessee
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012m.html#7 Blades versus z was Re: Turn Off Another Light - Univ. of Tennessee
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012p.html#38 There can be no System Security without System Integrity
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#80 Still not convinced about the superiority of mainframe security vs distributed?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#55 Arthur C. Clarke Predicts the Internet, 1974
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#33 Delay between idea and implementation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#6 The Subroutine Call
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#57 Doug Englebart
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#58 Doug Englebart
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software Date: 16 Oct 2013 Blog: Old Geeksre:
recent "GreaterIBM" item:
The Origins of Cloud Computing -- from the 1920s
http://greateribm.wordpress.com/2013/10/10/the-origins-of-cloud-computing-from-the-1920s/
leading up to outsourcing and Service Bureau Corporation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_Bureau_Corporation
Service Bureau Corporation went to CDC in the period of litigation
that also resulted in 23jun1969 unbundling announcement, recent post
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#55
however, there was online virtual-machine based commercial bureaus
that were spin-offs of cp67 and the cambridge science center (includes
reference to cp/cms as free software):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/CMS
one of the first
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP/CSS
some more history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_CP/CMS
there was also tymshare
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tymshare
... which provided their online cms-based computer comferencing free
to share (for vmshare) starting in Aug1976 ... archive (also mentioned
upthread)
http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/
....
arpanet claims starting 1969 ... with IMPs ... the transition to
tcp/ip was 1jan1983.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET
the ibm internal network ... on cp67 ... also at cambridge center
started nearly the same time and was larger than the
arpanet(/internet) from just about the beginning until sometime late
85 or early 86. I've claimed that the internal network had gateway
like capability in every node from just about the beginning
... accounting for its fast growth ... which didn't come until
1jan1983 for arpanet/internet with tcp/ip. At 1jan1983, there were
approx. 100 network IMP network nodes that had approx. 255 connected
host. At that time, the internal network was quickly approaching 1000
nodes ... which it passed later in 1983. some old email
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#vnet
compuserve reference
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompuServe
Tymshare (provided online vmshare to SHARE organization starting
AUG1976) had developed TYMNET ... tymshare starting in 1964 ... with
dialup ... in then it developed local minis for dialup networked to
remote datacenter. Other online services started to leverage tymnet
(including compuserve)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tymnet
A version of the technology developed at science center for the
internal network was also used for the univ. bitnet starting in 1981
(and was also larger than arpanet/internet for some time)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BITNET
for other topic drift ... some more tymshare in recent a.f.c. thread
in "free software"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#58
tymshare did 370 gnosis ... with lots of stuff. when m/d bought tymshare, they spun gnosis off as keykos (disclaimer: i was brought in to evaluate/audit gnosis as part of the spin-off). gnosis had some huge pathlength supporting 3rd party charging for applications developed and deployed on gnosis platform ... which were eliminated as part of morphing into keykos.
keykos was high-integrity capability-based system ... but benchmarks
(with gnosis accounting overhead removed) claimed it could do
transactions at higher rate than ACP/TPF (aka airline control program)
... in part because of higher level abstraction and more efficient use
of resources.
http://cap-lore.com/CapTheory/upenn/Key370/Key370.html
then there were some number of keykos derivatives for x86 ... designed
for super high-integrity EAL 7+ evaluation level with high
performance.
http://cap-lore.com/CapTheory/upenn/ ..
http://www.eros-os.org/ ..
http://www.capros.org/ ..
recent posts in this discussion
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#14 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#53 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#66 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#23 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#24 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#32 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#34 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Open source software Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 22:21:10 -0400Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> writes:
os/360 used "relocatable adcons" (address constants) .... which were absolute address constants that were modified (relocated) to reflect the absolute real address of the location where they were loaded.
tss/360 had a paged-mapped filesystem and supported relocatable code images ... i.e. it was possible to page map an executable image on disk to set of virtual addresses .... w/o having to modify any contents of that image ... i.e. the image on disk could be mapped to any virtual address w/o having to modify/update anything before execution.
i did a paged mapped filesystem for cp67/cms (and later ported to
vm370/cms) ... and some past posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#mmap
... and cms made extensive use of os/360 compilers, applications and conventions ... which gave me lots of problems trying to do arbitrary mapping of executable image on disk to any virtual address ... and made it worse where i supported mapping shared executable images on disk to multiple different virtual address spaces with potentially different virtual addresses (which absolutely precluded having any location specific information).
misc. past posts mentioning my troubles attempting to deal
with os/360 "relocatable" address constants
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#adcon
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: IBM now employs more workers in India than US Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 17 Oct 2013 06:24:06 -0700re:
for other reference to latest activity
Stockman in "The Great Deformation: The Corruption of Capitalism in
America" pg464/loc9995-10000:
IBM was not the born-again growth machine trumpeted by the mob of Wall
Street momo traders. It was actually a stock buyback contraption on
steroids. During the five years ending in fiscal 2011, the company
spent a staggering $67 billion repurchasing its own shares, a figure
that was equal to 100 percent of its net income.
pg465/10014-17:
Total shareholder distributions, including dividends, amounted to $82
billion, or 122 percent, of net income over this five-year period.
Likewise, during the last five years IBM spent less on capital
investment than its depreciation and amortization charges, and also
shrank its constant dollar spending for research and development by
nearly 2 percent annually.
... snip ...
Stockman goes into some detail how stock buybacks (reducing number of shares and increasing corp. value/share) is being used by top executives to significantly increase their bonuses.
and is only small part of what is going on aka "Retirement Heist"
https://web.archive.org/web/20181019074906/http://www.ibmemployee.com/RetirementHeist.shtml
the book goes into several more scenarios not listed in the above webpage.
recent refs:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#49 As an IBM'er just like the Marines only a few good men and women make the cut,
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#5 SAS Deserting the MF?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#2 IBM Relevancy in the IT World
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#50 IBM Furloughs U.S. Hardware Employees to Reduce Costs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#51 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#57 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#49 The Original IBM Basic Beliefs for those that have never seen them
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#60 Retirement Heist
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#63 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#4 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#6 Voyager 1 just left the solar system using less computing powerthan your iP
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#12 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#24 Voyager 1 just left the solar system using less computing powerthan your iP
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#37 Why is the mainframe so expensive?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#53 Retirement Savings
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: Google F1 was: Re: MongoDB Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 17 Oct 2013 12:42:07 -0700lefuller@SBCGLOBAL.NET (Lloyd Fuller) writes:
includes reference to this posting by "greateribm"
The Origins of Cloud Computing -- from the 1920s
http://greateribm.wordpress.com/2013/10/10/the-origins-of-cloud-computing-from-the-1920s/
4th generation languages from virtual machine-based commercial service
bureaus (originally cp67 spinoffs from ibm cambridge science center)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomad_software
also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramis_software
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOCUS
some of this evolution with competitive offerings from the different virtual machine based commerical service bureaus ... including NCSS, IDC, and TYMSHARE.
some more discussion here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-generation_programming_language
note TYMSHARE started offering its cms-based online computer
conferencing to SHARE in Aug1976
http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/
now in parallel with this was Codd and relational DBMS was being done at
IBM San Jose Research ... original SQL/relational implementation was
System/R on vm370/cms at SJR. Lots of folklore that while corporation
was pre-occupied with getting out the strategic DBMS product "EAGLE", it
was possible to do tech. transfer to Endicott and get it released as
SQL/DS. Later when "EAGLE" imploded and crashed&burned ... there was
request about how long would it take to port System/R to MVS. past
posts mentioning System/R
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#systemr
past posts mentioning science center at 545 tech sq
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: IBM now employs more workers in India than US Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 17 Oct 2013 14:03:52 -0700re:
NSA Revelations Kill IBM Hardware Sales In China
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/10/wolf-richter-nsa-revelations-kill-ibm-hardware-sales-in-china.html
from above:
But there was nothing to spin in Asia-Pacific, where revenues plunged
15%. Revenues in IBM's "growth markets" dropped 9%. They include the
BRIC countries - Brazil, Russia, India, and China - where revenues
sagged 15%. In China, which accounts for 5% of IBM's total revenues,
sales dropped 22%, with hardware sales, nearly half of IBM's business
there, falling off a cliff: down 40%.
... snip ...
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years agotoday Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:23:34 -0400Wayne Salamon <xenon@wsalamon.net> writes:
raising the difference in quality between closed and open is frequently obfuscation and misdirection ... and trying to protect status quo ... similar to description that patent office was originally created to protect the individual inventor from large organizations (trying to defend status quo) ... which has not been completely turned 180 degrees and used by large organization to inhibit invention and protect their status quo.
unix source (before the unix-wars) enabled explosion in workstation vendors.
posts in thread:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#54 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years ago today
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#55 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years ago today
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#56 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years agotoday
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#57 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years agotoday
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#58 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30yearsagotoday
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made30yearsagotoday Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 09:50:52 -0400Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> writes:
Berkeley did BSD, UCLA did Locus, CMU did MACH. Locus was used by IBM for AIX/370 & AIX/386 (locus did distributed file system, partial file fragment caching, process migration ... even special conditions between different kinds of platforms). MACH was used for lots of stuff (including NeXT which then evolves into apple operating system) ... along with Andrew File System (also from CMU)
IBM had funded MIT project Athena jointly with DEC ($25m each), which gives X-windows and kerberos (plus lots of other stuff). lots of platforms pickup kerberos ... redmond even subcontracts to commercial kerberos company to do the initial implementation for windows ... becoming the basis of their authentication infrastructure
ibm funds CMU to tune of $50m that turns out MACH, Andrew Filesystem, Andrew Widgets, Camelot (transaction processing) and some number of other things. IBM then provides startup investment for Camelot spun off as Transarc. IBM then buys Transarc.
Big part of BSD is BSD networking, 4.3 Tahoe & 4.3 Reno in the late 80s ... even platforms that weren't BSD based ... incorporated 4.3 Tahoe/Reno TCP/IP stack
past posts mentioning unix-wars
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005t.html#19 What ever happened to Tandem and NonStop OS ?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#0 How long before Microsoft goes the way of DEC (and in part, IBM)?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#85 SV: USS vs USS
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012.html#66 Has anyone successfully migrated off mainframes?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012.html#67 Has anyone successfully migrated off mainframes?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012b.html#45 Has anyone successfully migrated off mainframes?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#13 A z/OS Redbook Corrected - just about!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#14 Can anybody give me a clear idea about Cloud Computing in MAINFRAME ?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#43 Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#41 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#54 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years ago today
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#55 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years ago today
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#64 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years agotoday
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: NSA Revelations Kill IBM Hardware Sales In China Date: 19 Oct, 2013 Blog: IBMersNSA Revelations Kill IBM Hardware Sales In China
from above:
But the fiasco was tucked away under the lesser debacle of IBM's
overall revenues, which fell 4.1% from prior year, the sixth straight
quarter of declines in a row. Software revenue inched up 1%, service
revenue skidded 3%. At the hardware unit, Systems and Technology,
revenue plunged 17%. Within that, sales of UNIX and Linux Power System
servers plummeted a dizzying 38%. Governmental and corporate IT
departments had just about stopped buying these machines.
... snip ...
There are recent stories that CIA "fired" Snowden 4-5yrs ago for trying to get into files that he wasn't authorized ... but then for-profit company contracted for doing security checks was checking off boxes w/o doing the checks as way to maximize profits ... not only for Snowden but also for some number of other people.
Reference to 70% of intelligence budget goes to for-profit companies and over half the employees are at for-profit companies (some possibility that they may also be using intelligence assets for industrial espionage for their own profit).
Spies Like Us
http://www.investingdaily.com/17693/spies-like-us/
from above:
Private contractors like Booz Allen now reportedly garner 70 percent
of the annual $80 billion intelligence budget and supply more than
half of the available manpower.
... snip ...
How Booz Allen Hamilton Swallowed Washington
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-23/visualizing-how-booz-allen-hamilton-swallowed-washington
Succeess of Failure culture
http://www.govexec.com/excellence/management-matters/2007/04/the-success-of-failure/24107/
whistleblower in the above was treated really badly ... lots of fabricated charges that were all subsequently dropped ... because threaten careers and corporate profits. Congress investigated and put agency on probation, not allowed to run its own projects ... but that may have just been ploy to further privatize the gov (some snide references to congress gets 5% kickback on contracts going to private companies)
Private-equity buyouts especially put companies under heavy profit pressure. References to "flip-this-house" ... industry morphs this last decade ... 100% loans are used to buy company and put on book of the bought company. Difference with "flip-this-house" is loan stays with company after it is resold ... company can be sold for less than originally bought and still make enormous profits (in "flip-this-house" mortage is payed off when house is sold). Over half of corporate defaults are companies that have been bought in private equity deals (heavy pressure to service loan used to buy the comapny)
Treasure Islands: Uncovering the Damage of Offshore Banking and Tax Havens
http://books.google.com/books?id=u655GkaMkwgC&pg=PA216&lpg=PA216#v=onepage&q&f=false
pg216/loc4511-14:
Plenty of good firms have gone bust as a result of this offshore
debt-loading, which the New York Times in 2009 described as "a Wall
Street version of 'Flip This House.'" 48 More than half of the
companies that defaulted on their debt that year were either
previously or currently owned by private equity firms.
... snip ...
wallstreet "Flip This House" (real-estate speculators pay off their
mortgage when the house is flipped, wallstreet transfers the loan to
the sold company, they even make a profit if the company is sold for
less than what they paid)
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/business/economy/05simmons.html
even some ibm involvement. Guestner wins in competition to be next CEO of AMEX (looser leaves with protoge Jamie Dimon, looser goes on to take-over Citibank in violation of Glass-Steagall, Greenspan grants an exemption while he lobbies for repeal Glass-Steagall creating too big to fail, Dimon then becomes CEO of another too big to fail. AMEX is in competition with KKR for private-equity take-over of RJR and KKR wins. KKR has some problems with RJR and hires Gerstner away to turn it around.
IBM goes into red and is re-organized into the 13 "baby blues" in preparation for breaking up the company. Board then hires Gerstner to resurrect the company (and reverse the breakup). Gerstner later leaves to be head of another private-equity company, Carlyle. Carlyle does private-equity buyout of Booz Allen
past posts mentioning Gerstner
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#gerstner
past posts mentioning too big to fail
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail
past posts mentioning Glass-Steagall
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#Pecora&/orGlass-Steagall
past posts mentioning private equity
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#private.equity
past posts mentioning Success of Failure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#success.of.failuree
past posts mentioning whistleblower
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#whistleblower
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Steve B sees what investors think Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 11:17:55 -0400jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
2x+y=5
x+y=3
solve for x&y.
I had no idea what it was. I asked and told it was something called algebra. Over the summer when the bookmobile came through town, i checked out & finished every math book they had (which was thru highschool trig). start of 6th grade, i was told i had to go to the regular math classes ... that continues through highschool graduation.
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Steve B sees what investors think Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 09:05:14 -0400jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
i took to reading science fiction books during math class ... I got a "zero" for class conduct ... but got 100 for everything else so it still avg. out to an A.
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: PDCA vs. OODA Date: 22 Oct 2013 Blog: Boyd Strategyre:
OODA-loop comments (done while at Boyd&Beyond 2013)
I was allowed to do a lot of computer stuff as undergraduate in the 60s. One of the things was dynamic adaptive resource management with both feedback ad feedfoward. Part of the effort was adding a lot of instrumentation/measurement (creating observation). While measurement was critical feeding orientation ... however part of the feedback was taking the feedforward prediction of what was going to happen ... and calculating the difference between what was predicted and what was subsequently observed. This additional step helped significantly improve the quality of the model or (continuous) orientation.
The other part was to create an abstraction of past, current and predicted future ... so not only captures the rate ... but also direction & rate of change.
So lots of this was picked up by the vendor and shipped in offical
products ... used by lots of corpoations and gov. agencies. Old
reference ... gone 404, but lives on at wayback machine.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090117083033/http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/list-archive/0409/8362.shtml
which i didn't learn about until much later. One of the agencies was active member of the vendors user group organization. normally member "installation code" tended to be somehow related to the corporate identity ... in this case their installation code was "CAD" ... supposedly for "cloak&dagger"
Later when I was teaching computer&security classes, some of these guys would show up in the classes. At one class, one of the members bragged to me offline that they knew where I was every day of my life, back to birth (& i don't even have a clearance) ... note this was before the Church commission. Supposedly this was justified on so much of the agency was dependent on software I was responsible for.
In any case, I was already predisposed to like Boyd (and OODA-loops) when I met him in the early 80s. One of the slight difference was lots of Boyd's briefings involved conflict, opponents and winning. However, my use of the OODA-loop paradigm was more about succeeding (rather than winning) ... i.e. dynamic adaptive resource management successfully working.
cloak&dagger trivia reference from 1979
http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/browse.cgi?fn=BIGVM&ft=MEMO
other high-assurance, high-integrity, archaeological trivia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-DOS
before ms/dos there was seattle computer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Computer_Products
and before seattle computer there was cp/m
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/M
and before cp/m, kildall worked on cp67/cms at npg school (gone 404
but lives on at wayback machine)
https://web.archive.org/web/20071011100440/http://www.khet.net/gmc/docs/museum/en_cpmName.html
npg reference
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Postgraduate_School
cp/67 reference
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/CMS
except (as per upthread) ... PDCA puts plan first .... before observe, orient, and/or understanding.
big consulting houses have frequently somebody with deep understanding that lays out the PDCA methodology and then they attempt to cookie-cut it with bunch of kids fresh out of school (if they get into trouble, they may have access to somebody that knows what they are doing).
We've been in to see quite a few of the big beltway bandit system integrators ... sample may be biased since it is typically on massive failed billion dollar dataprocessing reengineering & modernization efforts ... which was extremely heavy on planning and fresh out of school faces.
There is possibility a case could be made that it wasn't simply the methodology that resulted in the failures ... but there was purposeful desire upfront for failure
Success of Failure
http://www.govexec.com/excellence/management-matters/2007/04/the-success-of-failure/24107/
forensics has frequently been they would take high-level description and run it through their formula methodology w/o bothering to do in-depth analysis and understanding of existing infrastructure (taking time to observe, orient and understand what is going on might impact their profit margin).
not nearly as large ... but recent item which has many of the characteristics of some of the billion dollar failures
Pennsylvania Kills An IBM Contract That's 3 Years Late And $60 Million
Over Budget
http://www.businessinsider.com/pennsylvania-kills-ibm-project-2013-8
from above:
It said the computer system built so far was unreliable and full of
bugs (had "a higher number of software defects than industry norms.")
Plus, it blamed IBM's revolving-door workforce. The initial project
manager and the top executive left in 2009 and IBM preceded to have
638 people work on the system, rotating most of them off in less than
a year.
... snip ...
re:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#90 PDCA vs. OODA
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#92 PDCA vs. OODA
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#27 PDCA vs. OODA
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#34 PDCA vs. OODA
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#86 PDCA vs. OODA
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: architectures, was Open source software Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:10:43 -0400Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:
initial attempt to get compare&swap added to 370 were rebuffed because the POK favorite son operating system people claimed that "test&set" was sufficient (global kernel spin-lock from 65mp). the 370 architecture owners said that to get compare&swap added to 370, we would have to come up with other justifications (getting arorund the POK favorite son operating system people) ... thus was born the uses for enabled multi-threaded (multiprogrammed) applications for serializing operation (examples still are included in modern principles of operation).
this became popular for large DBMS applications that would otherwise require kernel calls to perform serialization (even on single processor machine where interrupts could result in thread switch during critial sequence of instructions).
eventually compare&swap (or instructions with similar semantics) started showing up on other platforms supporting large DBMS operations (whether single processor or multiple processor).
misc. past posts mentioning compare&swap and/or SMP
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#smp
I've periodically commented that IBM's 801/risc was to go to the
opposite extreme from IBM's horribly complex failed Future System
effort ... some past posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys
there was also a maniacal obsession that 801/risc wouldn't support cache consistency for multiprocessor configurations. part of this was result from the enormous throughput penalty that 370 paid in multiprocessor cache consistency for its strong/rigid memory model.
801/risc rios chip set for rs/6000 had no provisions for cache consistency ... and also no atomic compare&swap instruction. as a result, large DBMS operations sufferred throughput requiring kernel calls for serialization (in comparison to same DBMS operations running on platforms with atomic compare&swap instruction).
eventually a compare&swap simulation was added to rs/6000 AIX ... as a fastpath in the supervisor call interrupt handler ... the important issue was that while there was no multiprocessor concurrent operation ... it required that the simulation be disabled for interrupts ... that might result in thread switch during critical section.
misc. past posts mentioning 801/risc, iliad, romp, rios, power,
power/pc, etc
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#801
note that other platforms had started doing slightly relaxed memory models which significantly reduced penalty for cache consistency in large multiprocessor scale-up.
there was a spin-off from the rios/power austin group for AIM/Somerset
that was apple, ibm, motorola ... sort of marrying the memory cache
consistency from motorola's 88k risc processor with rios ... to produce
power/pc. we had been doing cluster scale-up for rs/6000 (since it
had no multiprocessor scale-up) ... some past posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hacmp
and the executive we reported to, left to go over to head up
AIM/Somerset.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM_alliance
i had also gotten sucked in early for SCI standardization effort that
came out of SLAC ... asynchronous, packetized, parallel simplex
transfers. Standard component was directory-based cache consistency
model that had standard 64-way operation. Sequent & Data General adopted
it for 256-way intel i86 (at the time 486) ... board with four 486
processors with 4-way shared cache ... and then SCI used to provide
consistency for 64 such boards. Convex used it for 128-way ... 64-way
2-processor (HP snake, pa/risc, convex later acquired by HP). SGI used
it for MIPS processor multiprocessor scale-up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Coherent_Interface
much earlier, I had been involved in doing a 16-way 370 ... and had co-opted some of the processor engineers working on 3033 development to work on it in their spare time (lot more interresting to what they were doing for 3033). Things were going along really well ... until somebody happen to mention to head of POK that it might be decades before the POK favorite son operation system (MVS) had effective 16-way support. At that time, several of us were invited to never show our face in POK again (and the 3033 processor engineers were told to get their noses back to the grind stone).
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years agotoday Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:18:03 -0400Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:
initial move to 370 virtual memory os os/vs2 svs ... bascially MVT layed out in a single 16mbyte virtual address space.
move to os/vs2 mvs ... with separate 16mbyte virtual address space for each application ... an 8mbyte mvs kernel image was mapped into every application address space (allowing pointer-passing api to continue). however, there were also a lot of "sub-systems" that had been outside the kernel that got their own address space also. In order to support pointer-passing api between applications and sub-systems in different address space ... the "COMMON SEGMENT" was created that was mapped to all virtual spaces ... allowing applications and sub-systems to exchange parameters & results (using pointer-passing API)
as configurations sizes increased ... there were more and more concurrent applications and subsystems ... by 3033, "COMMON SEGMENT" (or common system area, aka CSA) was pushing 5-6mbytes ... leaving as little as 2mbytes (out of every virtual 16mbytes) for application use.
in the wake of future system failure, there was mad rush to get
products back into 370 pipelines
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys
3033 & 3081 started somewhat concurrently with some left-over future
system technology. also 370 architecture enhancements ... which were
published in nov1978 ... referred to as "811" (for the publication
date). this contained 370/xa for 3081 ... but also things like access
registers. some more reference
http://www.jfsowa.com/computer/
as part of trying to help slow-down the growth in CSA, somebody retrofitted part of access registers to 3033 as dual-address space mode ... starting pointer-passing API to use direct addressability into separate address space ... instead of requiring CSA space.
this particular person was also involved in several other projects, including use of 801/risc as microprocessor for 4381 (4341 follow-on, eventually aborted and falling back to traditional CISC microprocessor)). Not long later, he leaves for HP and is involved in the PA/RISC (snake) effort ... and later behind HP's wide-word ... which eventually grows into Intel's Itanium.
recent posts mentioning 3033 dual-address space and/or Itanium:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#22 Is Microsoft becoming folklore?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#81 Still not convinced about the superiority of mainframe security vs distributed?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#42 True LRU With 8-Way Associativity Is Implementable
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#6 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#62 Making mainframe technology hip again
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#40 Open source software
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years agotoday Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:47:13 -0400Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> writes:
3090 had some number of technology issues. relative throughput of disks were getting slower ... so it needed more & more concurrent applications to increase multiprogramming levels ... more & more concurrent programming to overlap with slowing disk access.
old post about disk throughput increasing ... but slower than other
system system components throughput were increasing ... so relative
system disk throughput was decreasing ... specific 67/2314 compared
to 3081/3380
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/93.html#31
disk division executives took exception to my comments and assigned the division performance group to refute. after several weeks, they effectively came back and said I had understated the problem (when changes like RPS-miss were taken into account). Part of the analysis is respun into share presentation on configurations for improving throughput.
for 3090 channel configuration, they assumed that 3880 disk controller throughput was comparable to earlier 3830 disk controller ... however they were using slower processor for command operations ... which significantly increased channel busy time related to processing channel programs. as a result ... they had to significantly increase the number of channels in 3090 configuration (to achieve target IOPS). This resulted in adding another TCM to 3090 increasing manufacturing costs (there was reference to 3090 billing the 3880 group for the additional 3090 manufacturing cost).
so 3090 needed more real storage to handle increase in multiprogramming level and concurrent operations (to offset disk throughput constraint). they also needed more real storage to reducing paging operations ... also bottlenecked by disk throughput constraints. The problem came up that they couldn't physically package sufficient real storage within the processor latency constraints. So they came up with expanded storage paradigm for the additional real memory ... it didn't directly execute instruction ... but there was a fast, wide, high-throughput bus with synchronous instructions that moved 4k pages very quickly back&forth between processor memory and expanded store.
later advances in technology eliminated physical packaging constraints .... however, for various software reasons, later processor configurations would continue to allow configuring normal real storage as if it was a combination of processor storage and expanded storage.
past posts with pieces of share presenetation B874 at SHARE 64, 18Aug84
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006f.html#3 using 3390 mod-9s
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006o.html#68 DASD Response Time (on antique 3390?)
other past posts mentioning share presentation B874
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#49 Rethinking Virtual Memory
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#15 multilevel store
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002i.html#18 AS/400 and MVS - clarification please
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002i.html#46 AS/400 and MVS - clarification please
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#5 Poster of computer hardware events?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#71 308x Processors - was "Mainframe articles"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#7 My Vintage Dream PC
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009k.html#34 A Complete History Of Mainframe Computing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009k.html#52 Hercules; more information requested
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009l.html#67 ACP, One of the Oldest Open Source Apps
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#1 "The Naked Mainframe" (Forbes Security Article)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#70 25 reasons why hardware is still hot at IBM
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#31 Wax ON Wax OFF -- Tuning VSAM considerations
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#32 OS idling
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#33 History of Hard-coded Offsets
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#18 Mainframe Slang terms
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#35 CKD DASD
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#61 Speed of Old Hard Disks
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#1 Multiple Virtual Memory
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#5 Why are organizations sticking with mainframes?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#32 Has anyone successfully migrated off mainframes?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012b.html#73 Tape vs DASD - Speed/time/CPU utilization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#39 A bit of IBM System 360 nostalgia
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#62 ISO documentation of IBM 3375, 3380 and 3390 track format
past posts mentioning expanded storage:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000c.html#61 TF-1
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001k.html#73 Expanded Storage?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001k.html#74 Expanded Storage?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#25 ESCON Data Transfer Rate
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#53 TSS/360
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002c.html#53 VAX, M68K complex instructions (was Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew?)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002e.html#8 What are some impressive page rates?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002e.html#26 Crazy idea: has it been done?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002e.html#32 What goes into a 3090?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003j.html#2 Fix the shuttle or fly it unmanned
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003p.html#41 comp.arch classic: the 10-bit byte
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003p.html#46 comp.arch classic: the 10-bit byte
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#2 Expanded Storage
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#3 Expanded Storage
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#4 Expanded Storage
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004n.html#10 RISCs too close to hardware?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004o.html#57 Integer types for 128-bit addressing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005.html#17 Amusing acronym
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005h.html#13 Today's mainframe--anything to new?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005j.html#13 Performance and Capacity Planning
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006.html#13 VM maclib reference
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006.html#38 Is VIO mandatory?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#14 Expanded Storage
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#15 {SPAM?} Re: Expanded Storage
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#16 {SPAM?} Re: Expanded Storage
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#17 {SPAM?} Re: Expanded Storage
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#18 {SPAM?} Re: Expanded Storage
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#34 Multiple address spaces
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006c.html#1 Multiple address spaces
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006k.html#57 virtual memory
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006l.html#43 One or two CPUs - the pros & cons
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006r.html#35 REAL memory column in SDSF
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006r.html#36 REAL memory column in SDSF
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006r.html#42 REAL memory column in SDSF
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006s.html#16 memory, 360 lcs, 3090 expanded store, etc
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007c.html#23 How many 36-bit Unix ports in the old days?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#26 Tom's Hdw review of SSDs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#48 Virtual Storage implementation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#11 what does xp do when system is copying
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#9 Poster of computer hardware events?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#49 IBM LCS
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008b.html#15 Flash memory arrays
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#40 Fantasy-Land_Hierarchal_NUMA_Memory-Model_on_Vertical
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#6 Fantasy-Land_Hierarchal_NUMA_Memory-Model_on_Vertical
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#8 Fantasy-Land_Hierarchal_NUMA_Memory-Model_on_Vertical
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#10 Different Implementations of VLIW
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#11 Different Implementations of VLIW
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#29 Thanks for the SEL32 Reminder, Al!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#54 Mainframe Hall of Fame: 17 New Members Added
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010.html#86 locate mode, was Happy DEC-10 Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#69 LPARs: More or Less?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#35 Why does Intel favor thin rectangular CPUs?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#13 What was the historical price of a P/390?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#11 Mainframe Executive article on the death of tape
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#43 Interesting presentation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#55 Mainframe Executive article on the death of tape
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#18 How to analyze a volume's access by dataset
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#39 Central vs. expanded storage
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#41 Central vs. expanded storage
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#62 3090 ... announce 12Feb85
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#45 At least two decades back, some gurus predicted that mainframes would disappear in future and it still has not happened
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#69 how to get a command result without writing it to a file
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#74 Vector processors on the 3090
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#39 Has anyone successfully migrated off mainframes?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#122 Deja Cloud?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#47 nested LRU schemes
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012n.html#28 390 vector instruction set reuse, was 8-bit bytes
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#41 A History Of Mainframe Computing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#3 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
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From: Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Clemson Univ. Data Center Tour (1980) Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:04:23 -0400Thomas David Rivers <rivers@dignus.com> writes:
and end of ACS-360
https://people.computing.clemson.edu/~mark/acs_end.html
from above:
IBM management decided not to do it, for it would advance the computing
capability too fast for the company to control the growth of the
computer marketplace, thus reducing their profit potential. I then
recommended that the ACS lab be closed, and it was.
... snip ...
above also mentions ACS-360 features that eventually show up with ES/9000 in 1990
recent posts mentioning end of ACS-360
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#73 One reason for monocase was Re: Dualcase vs monocase. Was: Article for the boss
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#46 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#47 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#65 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#67 relative speeds, was What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#19 Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#22 Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#10 The Knowledge Economy Two Classes of Workers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#18 What in your opinion is the one defining IBM product?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#26 The Big, Bad Bit Stuffers of IBM
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#52 32760?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#1 A Complete History Of Mainframe Computing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#10 SAS Deserting the MF?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#13 Is newer technology always better? It almost is. Exceptions?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#40 The Mainframe is "Alive and Kicking"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#44 Why does IBM keep saying things like this:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#72 Minicomputer Pricing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#83 Minicomputer Pricing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#8 DEC Demise (was IBM commitment to academia)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#73 Future of COBOL based on RDz policies was Re: RDz or RDzEnterprise developers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#29 model numbers; was re: World's worst programming environment?
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Steve B sees what investors think Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:26:55 -0400re:
also
http://slashdot.org/submission/1882028/teachers-dont-like-creative-students
http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2011/12/teachers-dont-like-creative-students.html
past posts on the subject
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#105 5 ways to keep your rockstar employees happy
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#65 Teachers Don't Like Creative Students
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#71 Is orientation always because what has been observed? What are your 'direct' experiences?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#50 The Unleashed Mind: Why Creative People Are Eccentric
for other drift, recent post about after highschool
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#69 PDCA vs. OODA
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Steve B sees what investors think Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 21:58:02 -0400Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes:
7th grade we were suppose to do book report ... most did reports on ~100pg books, i chose gibbon's decline & fall of roman empire.
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: The Scholars Who Shill for Wall Street Date: 25 Oct 2013 Blog: Google+re:
also x-linked at facebook
https://www.facebook.com/lynn.wheeler/posts/10201738971651660
The Scholars Who Shill for Wall Street; Academics get paid by
financial firms to testify against Dodd-Frank regulations. What's
wrong with this picture?
http://www.thenation.com/article/176809/scholars-who-shill-wall-street
The Big Fail
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/07/opinion/krugman-the-big-fail.html
from above:
It's that time again: the annual meeting of the American Economic
Association and affiliates, a sort of medieval fair that serves as a
marketplace for bodies (newly minted Ph.D.'s in search of jobs), books
and ideas.
... snip ...
"Inside Job" references how leading economists were captured similar
to the capture of the regulatory agencies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_Job_(2010_film)
"Economists and the Powerful: Convenient Theories, Distorted Facts,
Ample Rewards" goes into the capture of economists in more detail
https://www.amazon.com/Economists-Powerful-Convenient-Distorted-Economics-ebook/dp/B01B4X4KOS/
loc72-74:
"Only through having been caught so blatantly with their noses in the
troughs (e.g. the 2011 Academy Award -- winning documentary Inside
Job) has the American Economic Association finally been forced to
adopt an ethical code, and that code is weak and incomplete compared
with other disciplines."
... another quote loc957-62:
The AEA was pushed into action by a damning research report into the
systematic concealment of conflicts of interest by top financial
economists and by a letter from three hundred economists who urged the
association to come up with a code of ethics. Epstein and
Carrick-Hagenbarth (2010) have shown that many highly influential
financial economists in the US hold roles in the private financial
sector, from serving on boards to owning the respective
companies. Many of these have written on financial regulation in the
media or in scholarly papers. Very rarely have they disclosed their
affiliations to the financial industry in their writing or in their
testimony in front of Congress, thus concealing a potential conflict
of interest.
... snip ..
other reference:
Glenn Hubbard, Leading Academic and Mitt Romney Advisor, Took 1200 an
Hour to Be Countrywide's Expert Witness (gone 404, but lives on at wayback machine)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140504010711/http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/glenn-hubbard-leading-academic-and-mitt-romney-advisor-took-1200-an-hour-to-be-countrywides-expert-witness-20121220?print=true
recent posts referencing academics:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#2 Search Google, 1960:s-style
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#20 The Big Fail
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#57 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#73 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#89 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#29 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#1 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#48 Ex-Wall Street chieftains living large in post-meltdown world
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#52 Lehman Brothers collapse: was capitalism to blame?
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: OCC Replies to Elizabeth Warren Reveal Extent of Regulatory Capture on Derivatives Date: 25 Oct 2013 Blog: Google+re:
OCC Replies to Elizabeth Warren Reveal Extent of Regulatory Capture on
Derivatives
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/10/occ-replies-to-elizabeth-warren-reveal-extent-of-regulatory-capture-on-derivatives.html
posts mentioning Too Big To Fail
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail
recent posts mentioning Elizabeth Warren:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#12 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#19 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#26 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#61 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#66 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#42 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#2 Too-Big-To-Fail, Too-Big-To-Prosecute, Too-Big-To-Jail, not just a problem in the USA
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#42 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#12 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#16 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#31 Fed proposes annual assessments for large financial companies
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years agotoday Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 14:00:18 -0400Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
the problem was/is that the legacy channel paradigm pays huge legacy overhead for its half-duplex design point ... channel resource is tied up for actual transfer ... but transfer in either directions blocks transfer in the opposite direction ... also a channel resource is tied up when it is waiting on latency for the back&forth protocol chatter ... the really slow 3880 interactions/responses would leave the channel resource totally idle.
3090 marketing tried to respin the significant increase in 3090 channels as significantly increasing i/o throughput (as opposed to needed to compensate for the drastric reduction in channel throughput resulting from the slow 3880 processor).
i had seen somewhat the opposite effect in 1980, when I was con'ed into doing channel extender support when 300 people from the IMS group in the IBM Santa Teresa lab (now Silicon Valley lab) were moved to off-site bldg. A channel simulator was put at the off-site bldg, with "local" channel attached controllers. The host channel extender support treated channel programs as data which was shipped down to the remote channel emulator. This eliminated much of the channel program protocol channel overhead from the local processor "channels" ... moving them to the remote channel emulators (which also then experienced purely local tranmission protocl latency ... rather than having the constant round-trip back to the processor channels).
somewhat concurrent with the SCI dual-simplex, serial-optic
standardization work out of SLAC for memory bus architecture, in 1988 I
also got asked to help LLNL with some dual-simplex serial technology
that they want to standardize ... which eventually morphs into
fibre-channel standard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibre_Channel
capable of concurrent transfer in both directions (aka dual-simplex) as well as supporting download of i/o programs to remote end ... to minimize related protocol chatter latency.
note back in 1980, the vendor wants to get authorization to release my channel-extender support ... but some people in POK that have been playing with some serial-optic technology block the approval ... apparently afraid if my channel-extender support is in the market place, it will affect the ability to get their stuff released. It eventually ships in 1990 with ES/9000 as ESCON ... and is already obsolete. In theory it is 200mbits/sec transfer in both directions (400mbit/sec aggregate), but the half-duplex channel end-to-end protocol overlaid on top ... barely manages to sustain 17mbytes/sec aggregate.
Then some of the POK channel engineers get involved in fibre-channel standard and come up with something similar to ESCON ... overlayed on FCS called FICON. Recent "peak" z196 I/O benchmarks has 104 FICON "channels" (i.e. heavyweight channel protocol chatter layer on top of FCS, drastically cutting native throughput) getting 2M IOPS. By comparison a recent FCS announced for e5-2600 is claiming over 1M IOPS (for a *single* FCS, aka two such FCS has higher throughput than 104 FCS with FICON layered on top).
posts mentioning FICON
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#ficon
other past posts in this thread:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#54 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years ago today
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#55 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years ago today
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#56 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years agotoday
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#57 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years agotoday
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#58 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30yearsagotoday
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#64 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years agotoday
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#65 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made30yearsagotoday
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#71 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years agotoday
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: Nobody Should Shed a Tear for JP Morgan Chase Date: 25 Oct 2013 Blog: Google+re:
Nobody Should Shed a Tear for JP Morgan Chase
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/nobody-should-shed-a-tear-for-jp-morgan-chase-20131025
other stuff
JPMorgan Settles With FHFA For $5.1 Billion
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-25/jpmorgan-settles-fhfa-51-billion
The lies that will kill America; Pundits run to the defense of a
massive bank and other tales of the lapdog media
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/25/the_lies_that_will_kill_america_partner/
somewhat related:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#15 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#76 The Scholars Who Shill for Wall Street
recent posts mentioning jpmorgan chase
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#36 JPMorgan Chase slammed by regulators for control failings after botched derivatives bet
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#50 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#27 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#30 Email Trails Show Bankers Behaving Badly
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#65 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#43 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#4 Live-Blogging Senate Hearing Tomorrow, When J.P. Morgan Chase Will Be Torn a New One
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#6 Live-Blogging Senate Hearing Tomorrow, When J.P. Morgan Chase Will Be Torn a New One
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#17 "JP MORGAN SAW ITSELF AS ABOVE THE REGULATORS" Do you agree?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#24 "JP MORGAN SAW ITSELF AS ABOVE THE REGULATORS" Do you agree?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#25 Senator Sherrod Brown Drops a Bombshell in Mary Jo White's Hearing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#35 Ex-Bailout Watchdog: JPMorgan's Actions "Entirely Consistent With Fraud"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#40 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#69 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#73 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#76 IBM Spent A Million Dollars Renovating And Staffing Its Former CEO's Office
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#79 "JP MORGAN SAW ITSELF AS ABOVE THE REGULATORS" Do you agree?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#9 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#19 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#23 What Makes bank regulation and insurance Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#25 What Makes bank regulation and insurance Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#41 It's a Banker's World
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#42 More Whistleblower Leaks on Foreclosure Settlement Show Both Suppression of Evidence and Gross Incompetence
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#79 As an IBM'er just like the Marines only a few good men and women make the cut,
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#95 Secrecy for Sale: Inside the Global Offshore Money Maze
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#15 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#31 Fed proposes annual assessments for large financial companies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#48 How to Cut Megabanks Down to Size
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#0 JPMorgan Caught in Swirl of Regulatory Woes
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#6 Barclays, Traders Fined $487.9 Million by U.S. Regulator
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#14 Barclays, Traders Fined $487.9 Million by U.S. Regulator
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#15 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#22 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#76 Barclays, Traders Fined $487.9 Million by U.S. Regulator
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#2 IBM Relevancy in the IT World
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#9 Why DOJ Deemed Bank Execs Too Big To Jail
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#10 What Makes Infrastructure investment not bizarre
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#18 copyright protection/Doug Englebart
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#20 JPMorgan Nears Settlement on 'London Whale' Case
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#57 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#78 Libor Rate-Probe Spotlight Shines on Higher-Ups
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#86 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#58 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#60 Retirement Heist
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#67 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#3 Lending is still lagging according to Reuters. Why do you think that is?
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: The REAL Reason U.S. Targets Whistleblowers Date: 27 Oct 2013 Blog: Google+re:
The REAL Reason U.S. Targets Whistleblowers
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-10-27/real-reason-us-targets-whistleblowers
posts mentioning whistleblowers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#whistleblower
somewhat related
War Is Racket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
somewhat modernized "War Is Racket": Economic Hit Man
https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hit-Man-ebook/dp/B001AFF266/
and "Merchants of Doubt"
https://www.amazon.com/Merchants-of-Doubt-ebook/dp/B003RRXXO8/
"National Insecurity"
https://www.amazon.com/National-Insecurity-American-Militarism-ebook/dp/B00ATLNI04/
"Prophets of War"
https://www.amazon.com/Prophets-War-Lockheed-Military-Industrial-ebook/dp/B0047T86BA/
some overlap with "War Is Racket": Triumphant plutocracy; the story of
American public life from 1870 to 1920
http://archive.org/details/triumphantpluto00pettrich
from yesterday
https://plus.google.com/102794881687002297268/posts/Ej9nPqNan2D
gov. privatization by for-profit companies "Spies Like Us"
http://www.investingdaily.com/17693/spies-like-us/
Private contractors like Booz Allen now reportedly garner 70 percent
of the annual $80 billion intelligence budget and supply more than
half of the available manpower.
... snip ...
US Spies on Its Allies For Business Intel, Not For National Security
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content
...
and from facebook Boyd and Beyond
Boyd's "People, Ideas, Things" is warped into "Things, People, Ideas" by MICC for-profit institutions looking for ever increasing quarterly profits. In expanding budget, for-profit institutions could leverage more people for needing more things .... but in flat or declining budget, to increase quarterly profits, will need to increasingly shift funding from people to things.
Technology Alone Cannot Win Future Wars, Senior Military Leaders Say
http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/blog/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?List=7c996cd7-cbb4-4018-baf8-8825eada7aa2&ID=1314&RootFolder=%2Fblog%2FLists%2FPosts
with
What If Obamacare Was A Fighter Jet?
http://my.firedoglake.com/jpsottile/2013/10/24/what-if-obamacare-was-a-fighter-jet/
unless more people have to be sacrificed for MICC profit: "Part 1,
reforming the U.S. Army"
http://elpdefensenews.blogspot.com/2013/10/part-1-reforming-us-army.html
posts mentioning Military Industrial Complex
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Steve B sees what investors think Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 09:39:23 -0400Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> writes:
7th grade I had job after school and weekends. Much of the year, I would chop/saw wood after dinner ... and then read after that ... then I would typically get up at 5.30am to (re)start the fire in the stove.
last year I read Heather's "The Fall of the Roman Empire",
https://www.amazon.com/Fall-Roman-Empire-Barbarians-ebook/dp/B000SEI0JQ
which is based on lot more recent archeology ... some past posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012b.html#22 Death From Above
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012b.html#23 PC industry is heading for more change
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012f.html#31 Rome speaks to us. Their example can inspire us to avoid their fate
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#66 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#75 Monopoly/ Cartons of Punch Cards
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years agotoday Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 13:06:00 -0400Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:
past posts in thread:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#54 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years ago today
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#55 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years ago today
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#56 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years agotoday
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#57 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years agotoday
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#58 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30yearsagotoday
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#64 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years agotoday
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#65 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made30yearsagotoday
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#71 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years agotoday
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#72 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years agotoday
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#78 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 years agotoday
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Steve B sees what investors think Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 13:49:11 -0400item from today
There's one key difference between kids who excel at math and those who
don't
http://qz.com/139453/theres-one-key-difference-between-kids-who-excel-at-math-and-those-who-dont/
recent posts in thread:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#67 Steve B sees what investors think
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#68 Steve B sees what investors think
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#74 Steve B sees what investors think
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#75 Steve B sees what investors think
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#81 Steve B sees what investors think
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: 3Q earnings are becoming the norm at IBM. What is IBM management overlooking? Date: 27 Oct, 2013 Blog: IBMersStockman in "The Great Deformation: The Corruption of Capitalism in America" pg464/loc9995-10000:
Stockman spends lots of time on top executives totally absorbed with the basis for their bonuses.
Why the "Maximizing Shareholder Value" Theory of Corporate Governance
is Bogus; One mantra you see regularly in the business and popular
press goes something along the lines of "the CEO and board have a
fiduciary duty to maximize shareholder value."
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/10/why-the-maximizing-shareholder-value-theory-of-corporate-governance-is-bogus.html
from above:
If you review any of the numerous guides prepared for directors of
corporations prepared by law firms and other experts, you won't find a
stipulation for them to maximize shareholder value on the list of
things they are supposed to do. It's not a legal requirement. And
there is a good reason for that.
Directors and officers, broadly speaking, have a duty of care and duty
of loyalty to the corporation. From that flow more specific
obligations under Federal and state law. But notice: those
responsibilities are to the corporation, not to shareholders in
particular.
... snip ...
top executive bonus plans tied to stock price can severely compromise executive ethics ... as seen in ENRON & WORLDCOM scenarios. Rhetoric on the floor of congress tauting Sarbanes-Oxley was that it would prevent future ENRONS & WORLDCOMS and that in case of incorrect public company financial filings, it would guarantee that the top executives and auditors did jail time (however there was a lot of of side comments that the appropriate regulatory agencies already had sufficient authority to have prevented ENRON & WORLDCOM). However Sarbanes-Oxley still required that appropriate regulator agencies do something. Possibly because GAO didn't think that those agencies were doing anything, it started do reports of public company fraudulent financial filings ... even showing increase after SOX (and nobody doing jail time)
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: How do you feel about IBM passing off it's retirees to ObamaCare? Date: 27 Oct, 2013 Blog: IBMersStockman in "The Great Deformation: The Corruption of Capitalism in America" pg464/loc9995-10000:
Stockman spends quite a bit of time about how top executives are now focused on maximizing their bonus tied to stock price. This was also part of the ENRON/Worldcom from early part of the century and resulted in the Sarbanes-Oxley act (even tho claims are that regulatory agencies had sufficient authority to have prevented ENRON). The rhetoric in congress justifying SOX was that it would prevent future ENRONs and that top executives and auditors would guaranteed to do jail time for fiddling public company financial reports. Note that possibly even GAO didn't think SEC was doing anything and started doing reports of public company fraudulent financial reports even showing uptic after SOX (and nobody doing jail time).
and in the wake of failure of "Future Systems", from "Computer Wars:
The Post-IBM World" Ferguson & Morris:
... and perhaps most damaging, the old culture under Watson Snr and Jr
of free and vigorous debate was replaced with sycophancy and make no
waves under Opel and Akers. It's claimed that thereafter, IBM lived in
the shadow of defeat
... and:
But because of the heavy investment of face by the top management, F/S
took years to kill, although its wrongheadedness was obvious from the
very outset. "For the first time, during F/S, outspoken criticism
became politically dangerous," recalls a former top executive.
... snip ...
mid-80s, top executives were predicting that revenue would double mostly based on mainframe sales (even though things were already starting to head in the opposite direction, wasn't exactly career enhancing to point it out) and they had massive internal building program to double mainframe manufacturing capacity.
and from upthread: besides the ibm specific excerpts at:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181019074906/http://www.ibmemployee.com/RetirementHeist.shtml
i would highly recommend reading the book
https://www.amazon.com/Retirement-Heist-Companies-American-ebook/dp/B003QMLC6K/
late 80s, senior disk engineer got a talk scheduled at annual, world-wide, internal communication group conference, supposedly on 3174 performance ... however he opened his talk with statement that the communication group was going to be responsible for the demise of the disk division. The issue was that the communication group had stranglehold on datacenters (with its strategic ownership of everything that crossed the datacenter walls) and was fighting off client/server and distributed computing (trying to preserve its dumb terminal install base). The disk division was seeing the effect of data fleeing to more distributed computing friendly platforms with drop in disk sales. the disk division had come up with several solutions to reverse the trend, but they were constantly vetoed by the communication group. a few years later, the continued downturn and the company goes into the red.
IBM had been reorganized into 13 "baby blues" in preparation for breaking up the company when the board hires Gerstner to reverse the breakup and resurrect the company.
past posts mentioning Gerstner
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#gerstner
posts referencing pensions
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#pensions
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 yearsagotoday Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 10:32:05 -0400scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
reference to meeting in Ellison's conference room early jan1992
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#13
at the time, got lots of resistance because there were some tricky edge-cases in failure/recovery scenarios. it wasn't until a little over a decade ago, that some of their people contacted me about running through the scenarios for direct cache transfers.
part of the effort for distributed lock manager ... was DB2 mainframe had some cluster (loosely-coupled) support ... but it was mainframe only. The non-mainframe DB2 was completely different product and source base. As result went to various of the RDBMS vendors that had shared source base between their vax/cluster and unix products ... and part of the HA/CMP DLM was providing vax/cluster type semantics that made the port easier. As an aside, the RDBMS vendors with vax/cluster support tended to have a list of things done wrong and/or inefficiently in vax/cluster ... and had lots of advice on what to do when starting from scratch.
note that the mainframe DB2 people complained that if I was allowed to
proceed (with these other RDBMS vendors), I would be at least five years
ahead of them. this possible contributed to the cluster scale-up be
transferred by the end of Jan1992 and we were told that we couldn't work
on anything with more than four processors. some past email referencing
cluster scale-up work (scientific, numerical intensive with national labs
and other institutions as well as commercial with RDBMS).
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#medusa
shortly after cluster scale-up was transferred, it was announced as
supercomputer for scientific and technical *ONLY* ... press item from
mid Feb 1992
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#6000clusters1
later that spring ... another press item about cluster interests
at national labs had caught company by *surpirse*
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#6000clusters2
being told we couldn't work on anything with more than four processors contributed to our decision to leave later in 1992. other folklore is that oracle reverse engineered the HA/CMP DLM to allow them to port to other unix platforms.
recent posts mentioning earlier work with national labs, supercomputer
centers and other institutions.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#32
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#33
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#35
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#43
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#78
past posts mentioning distributed lock manager:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000.html#64 distributed locking patents
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000g.html#32 Multitasking and resource sharing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001.html#40 Disk drive behavior
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001c.html#66 KI-10 vs. IBM at Rutgers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001e.html#2 Block oriented I/O over IP
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001j.html#47 OT - Internet Explorer V6.0
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001k.html#5 OT - Internet Explorer V6.0
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002e.html#67 Blade architectures
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002f.html#1 Blade architectures
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002f.html#4 Blade architectures
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002k.html#8 Avoiding JCL Space Abends
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#70 A few Z990 Gee-Wiz stats
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004i.html#1 Hard disk architecture: are outer cylinders still faster than inner cylinders?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004i.html#2 New Method for Authenticated Public Key Exchange without Digital Certificates
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004m.html#0 Specifying all biz rules in relational data
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004m.html#5 Tera
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004q.html#10 [Lit.] Buffer overruns
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004q.html#70 CAS and LL/SC
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005.html#40 clusters vs shared-memory (was: Re: CAS and LL/SC (was Re: High Level Assembler for MVS & VM & VSE))
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005.html#55 Foreign key in Oracle Sql
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005h.html#26 Crash detection by OS
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005h.html#28 Crash detection by OS
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005i.html#42 Development as Configuration
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005r.html#23 OS's with loadable filesystem support?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005u.html#38 Mainframe Applications and Records Keeping?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006c.html#8 IBM 610 workstation computer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006c.html#41 IBM 610 workstation computer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006d.html#14 IBM 610 workstation computer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006j.html#20 virtual memory
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006o.html#24 computational model of transactions
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006o.html#32 When Does Folklore Begin???
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006o.html#62 Greatest Software, System R
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006x.html#3 Why so little parallelism?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006x.html#18 The Future of CPUs: What's After Multi-Core?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007c.html#42 Keep VM 24X7 365 days
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007e.html#25 A way to speed up level 1 caches
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#50 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#61 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#19 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#24 Is Parallel Programming Just Too Hard?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#63 Is Parallel Programming Just Too Hard?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#55 Capacity and Relational Database
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#49 VLIW pre-history
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#33 Google And IBM Take Aim At Shortage Of Distributed Computing Skills
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#46 "Server" processors for numbercrunching?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007v.html#42 Newbie question about db normalization theory: redundant keys OK?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007v.html#43 distributed lock manager
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008b.html#69 How does ATTACH pass address of ECB to child?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008c.html#81 Random thoughts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008d.html#70 Time to rewrite DBMS, says Ingres founder
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#40 Fantasy-Land_Hierarchal_NUMA_Memory-Model_on_Vertical
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#56 performance of hardware dynamic scheduling
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#91 Microsoft versus Digital Equipment Corporation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#18 Microsoft versus Digital Equipment Corporation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#39 American Airlines
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#63 Intel: an expensive many-core future is ahead of us
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#71 Curiousity: largest parallel sysplex around?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#45 Are blade servers becoming irrelevant with advances in virtualization and multi-core processor technology ?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#3 Is SUN going to become x86'ed ??
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#40 "Larrabee" GPU design question
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#43 "Larrabee" GPU design question
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#26 Natural keys vs Aritficial Keys
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009k.html#36 Ingres claims massive database performance boost
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009k.html#67 Disksize history question
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#39 ACP, One of the Oldest Open Source Apps
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#84 A Faster Way to the Cloud
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#57 U.S. begins inquiry of IBM in mainframe market
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#35 DB2 announces technology that trumps Oracle RAC and Exadata
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#32 Happy DEC-10 Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#62 Happy DEC-10 Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#66 SYSENTER/SYSEXIT_vs._SYSCALL/SYSRET
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#54 Unix systems and Serialization mechanism
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#14 Age
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#82 Hashing for DISTINCT or GROUP BY in SQL
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#23 zLinux OR Linux on zEnterprise Blade Extension???
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#60 Maybe off topic
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#8 New job for mainframes: Cloud platform
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012d.html#28 NASA unplugs their last mainframe
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012n.html#53 history of Programming language and CPU in relation to each other
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#52 New HD
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#77 OT: but hopefully interesting - Million core supercomputer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#37 PDP-10 byte instructions, was What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#4 Oracle To IBM: Your 'Customers Are Being Wildly Overcharged'
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#22 What Makes code storage management so cool?
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30 yearsagotoday Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 12:33:26 -0400Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
aka ... the non-mainframe DB2 had started out as complete rewrite from scratch for OS2 ... and took long time before it acquired more robust industrial strength dataprocessing features
past post about press regarding non-mainframe DB2 (Purescale) vis-a-vis
Oracle RAC (and a few other things) ... almost 20yrs after we were
working on it.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#43 From The Annals of Release No Software Before Its Time
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#46 From The Annals of Release No Software Before Its Time
past posts mentioning being involved in the original relational/sql
implementation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#systemr
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: The US Is Quietly Losing Its Innovation Edge to China Date: 28 Oct 2013 Blog: Google+re:
The US Is Quietly Losing Its Innovation Edge to China
http://thediplomat.com/china-power/the-us-is-quietly-losing-its-innovation-edge-to-china/
from above:
The sapped U.S. strength in innovation is epitomized by the NIH
research funding trends. Between 2003 and 2013, the number of
applications increased from nearly 35,000 to more than 51,000, while
NIH appropriations shrunk from $21 billion to $16 billion (in 1995
dollars)
... snip ...
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: Behold The Face Of Central Banker Hubris Date: 28 Oct 2013 Blog: Google+re:
Behold The Face Of Central Banker Hubris
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-27/behold-face-central-banker-hubris
who came out in support of Keating & Lincoln Savings & Loan??? only cost the gov. $3.4B
Age of Greed: The Triumph of Finance and the Decline of America, 1970
to the Present pg222/loc4346-56:
In early 1985, Alan Greenspan wrote a long letter to federal
regulators in support of Charles Keating of Lincoln Savings & Loan,
who had been a client of Michael Milken's, later imprisoned
for securities fraud. Greenspan had returned to his profitable
economic Wall Street consultancy, Townsend-Greenspan, in 1977 after
serving as President Gerald Ford's chief economist.
pg222/loc4360-67:
By the mid-1980s, when Greenspan wrote the letter, and after only a
few years of deregulation, these investments were raising alarms,
although the banks' widespread demise was still several years
off. The thrifts like Lincoln invested in a wide range of risky
assets, including junk bonds, shopping malls, ski resorts, and even
uranium mines.
pg223/loc4369-73:
Greenspan wrote the FHLB that the "new management" of Lincoln
"effectively restored the association to a vibrant and healthy state,
with a strong net worth position, largely through expert selection of
sound and profitable direct investment." Greenspan's service in
Washington and his growing reputation got Keating his waiver. Four
years later Lincoln was virtually insolvent, costing the federal
government $3.4 billion to pay off its debt and depositors.
... snip ...
posts mentioning Too Big To Fail
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: JPMorgan: Wall Street's Not Saying It's Guilty. It Not Even Sorry Date: 28 Oct 2013 Blog: Google+re:
JPMorgan: Wall Street's Not Saying It's Guilty. It's Not Even Sorry;
For the big banks, cutting penalty deals without admitting wrongdoing
is just a cost of doing business.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/economy/jpmorgan-wall-street-s-not-saying-it-s-guilty-it-s-not-even-sorry-20131021
posts mentioning Too Big To Fail
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: PDCA vs. OODA. Pehaps this has been addressed previously. Date: 28 Oct 2013 Blog: Boyd Strategyre:
mid-90s we were called in to fix payment card target marketing (small pilot for 60m accounts and scale to 600m) .. 2/3rds of budget had already been spent (large consulting house) ... turns out we had to scrap everything and start from scratch and finish within budget left. part of the problem was involved hits to several different business processes at different physical locations. we started out going around and talking to all the different people responsible for the different business processes (something that nobody had bothered to do)
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: HSBC exposed in massive data leak in Belgium Date: 28 Sep 2013 Blog: Financial Crime Risk, Fraud and SecurityHSBC exposed in massive data leak in Belgium
from above:
The story was based on the records of 3,137 secret bank accounts
belonging to 2,450 Belgian clients of HSBC Private Bank in
Switzerland. The data also includes internal notes of Swiss
bankers' communications with these clients, exposing how the
bankers helped clients set up offshore companies and maintain a veil
of secrecy over their finances.
... snip ...
recent posts mentioning icij.org
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#27 Secrecy for Sale: Inside the Global Offshore Money Maze
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#28 What Makes bank regulation and insurance Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#46 Secrecy for Sale: Inside the Global Offshore Money Maze
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#95 Secrecy for Sale: Inside the Global Offshore Money Maze
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#6 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#11 Secrecy for Sale: Inside the Global Offshore Money Maze
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#13 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#69 The cloud is killing traditional hardware and software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#3 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#19 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#68 OT: NYT article--the rich get richer
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: High Frequency Terrorism Date: 28 Sep 2013 Blog: FacebookHigh Frequency Terrorism
recent posts mentioning HFT
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#2 Search Google, 1960:s-style
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#29 Destructive Destruction? An Ecological Study of High Frequency Trading
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#41 Computer Simulations Reveal Benefits of Random Investment Strategies Over Traditional Ones
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#54 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#75 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#67 The End Of 'Orderly And Fair Markets'
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#49 OT: "Highway Patrol" back on TV
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#58 Traders Said to Rig Currency Rates to Profit Off Clients
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#59 OT: "Highway Patrol" back on TV
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#89 FBI Finds Holes in System Protecting Economic Data
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#10 What Makes Infrastructure investment not bizarre
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#12 What Makes Infrastructure investment not bizarre
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#50 IBM Furloughs U.S. Hardware Employees to Reduce Costs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#16 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#53 Retirement Savings
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: SHARE Blog: News Flash: The Mainframe (Still) Isn't Dead Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 29 Oct 2013 08:39:04 -0700jwglists@GMAIL.COM (John Gilmore) writes:
several times I have discussed the evoluation of bus&tag channels, lessons I learned from doing mainframe channel extender support in 1980, interactions with the group that would release ESCON (a decade later for es/9000 in 1990 ... by which time it is already obsolete), and being asked in 1988 to help LLNL standardize some serial technology ... which morphs into fibre-channel standard (and we had operational units in 1991). Later some POK channel engineers become involved in fibre-channel standard and define an extremely heavy-weight layer that drastically cuts the native FCS throughput ... which eventually ships as FICON
The IBM z196 peak I/O benchmark lists 104 FICONs (heavy-weight protocol layer on top of 104 native FCS that drastically cuts the native FCS throughput) and 14 SAPs getting 2M IOPS. Peak SAPs throughput is published at 2.2M SSCH/secs all running at 100% busy ... but recommendation for SAPs is keep to peak 70% busy or 1.5M SSCH/secs.
By comparison a recent native FCS has been announced for e5-2600 claiming over million IOPS (for single FCS) ... two such native FCS then would have higher aggregate throughput than the aggregate throughput of 104 FCS with FICON protocol layered ontop.
posts mentioning FICON
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#ficon
One of the issues that I learned doing the channel extender support in 1980 for the IBM Santa Teresa Lab (since renamed Silicon Valley lab, at the time, 300 people from the IMS group were being moved to offsite bldg) was effectively simulation of dual-simplex operation with channel programs downloaded (as data) to remote end of channel ... effectively channel programs&data were written continously on the outbound channel and data read continously on the inbound channel. There was no longer any concept of half-duplex channel executing channel program with lots of channel program protocol chatter back&forth latency making the resource busy. Separate dedicated path for outgoing and incoming data and throughput is purely the raw media throughput of the outgoing and incoming channels (there is no concept of channel busy separate from data being actually transmitted).
Part of the issue with serial fibre-optic for fibre channel standard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibre_Channel
and similar work going on about the same time with scalable coherent
interface (that I also got dragged into)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Coherent_Interface
was trying to eliminate the increasing end-to-end latency penalty in protocols. The objective was to move to protocols that just treated the media as raw continuous transport.
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: Access to IBM Z/OS z/VM Documentation Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 29 Oct 2013 08:38:54 -0700On 10/28/13 13:06, John McKown wrote:
however at the time, there was very little uptake except for IMS hot-standby ... which contributed to her not staying long in the position (another was periodic skirmishes with the communication group trying to force her into using sna/vtam for loosely-coupled operations).
later we do IBM's ha/cmp ... a couple recent posts on ha/cmp from
today
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#86
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#87
as referenced in the above post ... (mainframe) DB2 complained that if I was allowed to continue ... I would be at least five yrs ahead of them.
one of the things I coined when out marketing ha/cmp were the terms
disaster survivability and geographic survivability ... to
differentiate from simple disaster/recovery. somewhat as a result, i was
asked to write a section for the corporation's continuous availability
strategy document ... however the section got removed when both
rochester (as/400) and POK (mainframe) complained that they couldn't
meet the specification. some past posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#available
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: SHARE Blog: News Flash: The Mainframe (Still) Isn't Dead Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 29 Oct 2013 09:57:44 -0700lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes:
pure aside, in the late 80s, the IBM Hursley lab did something similar to FCS & SCI (and what I worked with for channel extender in 1980) with Harrier/9333 ... at the time it was 80mbit/sec serial "copper" links (concurrent in both directions, not fiber-optic) ... they packetized scsi i/o program and downloaded to remote end ... where it was executed ... significantly reducing the latency penalties and significantly increasing aggregate throughput (compared to standard scsi bus ... where actual physical disk drives in the benchmark comparisons were essentially otherwise identical).
as part of ha/cmp, I was hoping to see harrier/9333 evolve into
inter-operable fractional FCS ... old post with some discussion
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#13
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/96.html#15
however, end of Jan1992, cluster scale-up is transferred and we are told
we can't work on anything with more than four processors ... and we
decide to leave. Then Harrier/9333 evolves into (non-interoperable) SSA
with serial copper upgraded/doubled to 160mbits/sec (concurrent in both
directions) or approx. 40mbyte/sec aggregate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Storage_Architecture
by comparison ESCON is 200mbits/sec links or 400mbits/sec (50mbyte/sec) aggregate ... but is lucky to achieve 17mbyte/sec aggregate throughput
small mention of 9333 here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_IBM_magnetic_disk_drives
some old email
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006p.html#email881011
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#email901024
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010.html#email920629
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#email920630
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010.html#email960203
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: Confirmed: the US DoJ will not put the bankers in jail, no matter how deep the fraud Date: 29 Oct 2013 Blog: Google+re:
Confirmed: the US DoJ will not put the bankers in jail, no matter how deep the fraud
http://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001452.html
referenced in above:
Bill Black: The New York Times Publishes the Most Ironic Sentence of
the Crisis
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/10/bill-black-the-new-york-times-publishes-the-most-ironic-sentence-of-the-crisis.html
posts mentioning too big to fail, too big to prosecute and/or too
big to jail
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: Oracle Sent Out A Press Release Dissing IBM's Software Business Date: 29 Oct 2013 Blog: IBMersOracle Sent Out A Press Release Dissing IBM's Software Business
other recent IBM problems
Pennsylvania Kills An IBM Contract That's 3 Years Late And $60 Million
Over Budget
http://www.businessinsider.com/pennsylvania-kills-ibm-project-2013-8
from above:
It said the computer system built so far was unreliable and full of
bugs (had "a higher number of software defects than industry norms.")
Plus, it blamed IBM's revolving-door workforce. The initial project
manager and the top executive left in 2009 and IBM preceded to have
638 people work on the system, rotating most of them off in less than
a year.
... snip ...
it is IBM marketing that has the wide-spread reputation for FUD
http://changingminds.org/techniques/resisting/fud.htm
really gaining hold during the "Future System" period when 370 products were being suspended and/or killed off. It was the lack of products during the Future System period that is credited with giving the clone processors a market foothold (and IBM marketing resorting to FUD in lieu of competitive products).
The article refers to Oracle "dissing" IBM because a reference was
made to Oracle moving to #2 software business because of IBM's drop in
revenue:
Friday morning Oracle told us in a press release that it is declaring
itself to be the second-biggest software company in the world, taking
over IBM's spot, thanks to IBM's declining revenues.
... snip ...
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: SHARE Blog: News Flash: The Mainframe (Still) Isn't Dead Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 29 Oct 2013 15:40:33 -0700dcrayford@GMAIL.COM (David Crayford) writes:
it possibly was 3090 when IBM marketing respun the requirement for significant increase in the number of channels.
fundamentally, mainframe channel is considered busy when it is doing lots of end-to-end back&forth channel programming protocol chatter. original number of 3090 channels were originally done based on assumption that 3880 disk controller was as efficient as the (previous) 3830 disk controller. However, the 3880 disk controller had a much slower processor for handling channel protocol activity ... which enormously increased channel busy. when POK finally realized the significance, they had to significantly increase the number of channels in order compensate for the enormous increase in channel busy (as a result of the slower 3880 processor) as a means of achieving target I/O throughput. The increase in channels resulted in needing an additional TCM ... which increases the 3090 manufacturing cost. At the time, there was semi-facetious suggestion that POK bill the 3880 disk controller group for the increase in 3090 manufacturing costs.
In any case, marketing then respins the significant increase in 3090 channels (from needing to compensate for significant increase in channel busy by 3880) to the significant amount of aggregate i/o bandwidth (even if it couldn't be effectively used). harkens back to 70s during the future system period when marketing really got its reputation for FUD compensating for lack of competitive products (the lack of new products during the FS period is credited with giving clone processors a market foothold).
Note that part of 3090 (and vector processor facility) was targeted for
supercomputer market. However important part of supercomputer market was
high-speed i/o, 100mbyte/sec (800mbit/sec) "HiPPI" channel
(standardization work for cray channel out of LANL) ... for things like
large disk arrays (for instance thinking machines had a 32+8 disk array
... i.e. parallel transfer across 32 drives).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIPPI
from above:
To understand why HIPPI is no longer used, consider that Ultra3 SCSI
offers rates of 320 MB/s, and is available at almost any corner computer
store. Meanwhile Fibre Channel offered simple interconnect with both
HIPPI and SCSI (it can run both protocols) and speeds of up to 400 MB/s
on fibre and 100 MB/s on a single pair of twisted pair copper wires.
... snip ...
standard 3090 i/o interface was totally unable to handle 100mbyte/sec operation. What some IBM Kingston engineers did was cut into the side of the extended store memory bus and implement a peak/poke paradigm for HiPPI i/o ... the 4k-byte extended bus synchronous move instructions were used to create i/o commands at reserved extended store memory locations.
as part of ha/cmp cluster scale-up work ... we got periodically dragged into both LANL and LLNL (as well as other national labs).
serial scsi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_attached_SCSI
serial ata
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA
as previously mentioned, I had hoped that 9333/harrier would have
evolved into interoperable fractional FCS ... as opposed to
non-interoperable SSA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Storage_Architecture
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: SHARE Blog: News Flash: The Mainframe (Still) Isn't Dead Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 29 Oct 2013 18:47:17 -0700scott_j_ford@YAHOO.COM (Scott Ford) writes:
original mainframe tcp/ip product was implemented in vs/pascal ... but
had some other issues ... getting approx. 44kbytes/sec using nearly full
3090 processor. I did the enhancements to support rfc1044 and in some
tuning tests at cray research got sustained channel speed throughput
between cray and 4341, using only modest amount of 4341 processor
(possibly 500 times improvement in bytes moved per instruction
executed). misc. past posts mentioning rfc1044
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#1044
In late 80s, I was the asked to be on technical advisery board for XTP
protocol ... communication group tried hard to prevent my being on the
XTP/TAB ... one of the objectives was elimination of serialization and
sync points with various kinds of protocol processing hardware chips to
make things flow continuously asynchronously (w/o any buffer
copies)... and cut total system processor pathlength to 500 instructions
or less per packet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xpress_Transport_Protocol
above claims that XTP didn't employ congestion avoidance ... but I had
wrote spec. for adaptive rate-based congestion control
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/xtprate.html
past posts mentioning xtp
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#xtphsp
old email with overview of xtp
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#email881113
mention of xtp for us submarines
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#email890801b
part of the influence in XTP design was some of people from silicon graphics that had worked on their graphics protocol engine that had high performance pipelined design as data flowed out of system continuously through asynchronously processing pipelined stages.
besides mention in the wiki article, some amount was sponsored out
of llnl/sandia ... gone 404 ... but lives on at the wayback machine
https://web.archive.org/web/20020209014400/http://www.ca.sandia.gov/xtp/
the above does mention rate control (adaptive rate control addresses congestion avoidance).
say 8gbit/sec FCS (fibre channel) ... 2gbyte/sec aggregate ... say 256k 4k records/sec in each direction, 512k aggregate ... at 500 instructions/record ... say 1/4 BIPS, 1BIPS then handles 2M IOPS.
this mentions meeting on cluster scale-up early Jan1992 in Ellison's
conference room
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#13
end of Jan1992, cluster scale-up is transferred and we are told we can't work on anything with more than four processors ... and we decide to leave.
later, two of the other people at the Ellison meeting have also left and joined small client/server startup and are responsible for something called "commerce server". We are brought in as consultants because they want to do payment transactions on the server; the startup had invented this technology called SSL they want to use, the result is now frequently called "electronic commerce".
One of the things that had to be done was map "SSL" technology to
payment business processes. part of this included doing something called
"payment gateway" that sits on the internet and handles traffic between
"commerce servers" (on the internet) and the "payment networks" ... some
past posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#gateway
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From: lynn@garlic.com Subject: Boyd Blasphemy: Justifying the F-35 Date: 30 Oct 2013 Blog: Boyd Strategyre:
The Impact of Advanced Fusion in 5th Generation Fighters on Combat
Capability
http://www.sldinfo.com/the-impact-of-advanced-fusion-in-5th-generation-fighters-on-combat-capability/
from above:
When Col John Boyd documented the concept of the
Observe-Orient-Decide-Act (OODA) loop as it pertains to tactical
aviation and the energy maneuverability egg it was in an era when
fighter physical performance was the dominant factor.
... snip ...
In briefings, Boyd would say he say he criticized the F16 heads-up display because it showed scrolling digital numbers ... which required lots of pilot brain-power and attention to convert into useful information. (negative benefit).
As an aside, I've seen periodic references by others to SLD website
being heavily oriented towards supporting MICC positions. posts
mentioning military industry congressional complex
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex
One of the latest at ELP: New DOD IG report shows more woe for the
F-35 program
http://elpdefensenews.blogspot.com/2013/10/new-dod-ig-report-shows-more-woe-for-f.html
also his F35 reading list
http://elpdefensenews.blogspot.com/p/f-35-reading-list.html
2011 naval history conf. air power ... one point was f35 was already in progress for decade while in previous 12m, 100 different drones had gone from idea to delivery. other point was operations was combination of pilot and mission specialist(s) ... a couple more iterations of fly-by-wire would eliminate the human pilot.
Except F-35 still needs a "cooperating" enemy (with or w/o a pilot) ... requiring F22s for cover. Instead of a trillion on couple thousand F-35 a couple decades late, that requires cooperating enemy ... ramp up volume production and have a couple million lethal drones that can spend days on target, for the same amount of money using latest technology (the numbers far exceed the numbers of pilots that would be available).
The discussion about fly-by-wire advances ... goes along with assumptions about "fusion" ... eliminating pilot in the loop ... either locally or remotely (there may be human mission specialist in the loop). You can build datalinks that may be blocked but not taken over ... further pushing the requirement for autonomous operation. With thousands in theater ... could even have specialized that target enemy blocking attempts (similar to some of the past SAM countermeasures).
If you have to have F22 anyway for cover ... possible do swarms of these drones queued off the F22 ... with the datalinks between the F22 and the drone swarms ... much shorter distances so harder to block. The drone swarms would have much longer staying power in theater ... so would need autonomous operation & hand-over protocols as different F22s depart and arrive. This scenario is slightly analogous to transition from big battleships to carriers with lots of planes extending the reach. Drone swarms would then have lots of other tactical implications ... including being able to overwhelm non-swarm foes.
posts mentioning Boyd &/or OODA-loop
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: Interesting? How _compilers_ are compromising application security Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 30 Oct 2013 08:22:54 -0700PaulGBoulder@AIM.COM (Paul Gilmartin) writes:
jon also would co-sponsor my talk on electronic commerce at isi
... recent ibm-main post referencing electronic commerce
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#100
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: ObamaCare Web Site Problems Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 30 Oct 2013 11:33:26 -0700anthony.sambataro@NIH.GOV (Sambataro, Anthony [E] , NIH/NBS) writes:
common metric of less than 100LOC/person/day, 500M LOCS is more than 5million worker days or well over 20,000 worker years.
for comparison ... a recent IBM problem
Pennsylvania Kills An IBM Contract That's 3 Years Late And $60 Million
Over Budget
http://www.businessinsider.com/pennsylvania-kills-ibm-project-2013-8
from above:
It said the computer system built so far was unreliable and full of bugs
(had "a higher number of software defects than industry norms.")
Plus, it blamed IBM's revolving-door workforce. The initial project
manager and the top executive left in 2009 and IBM preceded to have 638
people work on the system, rotating most of them off in less than a
year.
... and ...
A year ago, laid-off IBM employees told us that the company's ongoing
layoffs are creating a lot of churn in large projects like these and
hurting the company. They named a handful of cases where other big
clients pulled the plug on IBM contracts.
... snip ...
referenced article:
http://www.businessinsider.com/ibm-laid-off-employee-says-company-is-blowing-it-2012-4
including Disney @ $100m/annum, Texas @ $863m, and Indiana 10yr, $1B
and comparison with other large program (with large millions of LOC)
What If Obamacare Was A Fighter Jet?
http://my.firedoglake.com/jpsottile/2013/10/24/what-if-obamacare-was-a-fighter-jet/
will eventually be nearly two decades ... the article does raise issue about long-term, broken procurement process throughout the federal gov (however, especially epidemic in DOD where they keep putting off date when DOD has to comply with mandatory financial audit).
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