From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 02 Sep, 2011 Subject: Justifying application of Boyd to a project manager Blog: Boyd's Disciplesre:
budget woes are starting to infuse all aspects of the government
Playing with money; Budget-based war games would foster critical thinking
http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2011/09/7558132
so how does project managers need to play????
It seemed to be that Boyd was playing with F20/tigershark ... significantly more numbers for the cost of the F16, more flying hrs per maintenance hrs, lower skill levels for maint. At one point it seemed that they weren't going to penetrate the gold-plated US market ... so they started going for export. Atlantic article from the period had them blind-sided by congress ... candidate countries got "directed appropriations" foreign aid ... i.e. could only be spent for the purchase of F16.
Budget-based war games ... are more in line with business ROI. Boyd was voicing much of this theme in the 80s and F20 was 20yrs ago.
In the Success of Failure articles there were references to how project manipulation was done with goal of keeping the money flowing ... not necessarily overtly maneuvering for failure (and requiring a succession of projects). Pentagon Labyrinth also goes into the subject of running projects with the #1 goal of keeping the money flowing (managing projects to produce results can be way down the list of objectives).
related budget-based (strategy) article:
Why Do We Still Need a Huge Army? - Round II
http://www.informationdissemination.net/2011/09/ive-received-significant-feedback-on.html
with regard to the end of the next to last paragraph in the above ... I heard that they had found 4000 that fitted the category ...
misc. boyd posts & web URLs:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html
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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 04 Sep, 2011 Subject: As Pressure Grows to Cut Spending, the True Cost of Weapons Is Anyone's Guess Blog: FacebookAs Pressure Grows to Cut Spending, the True Cost of Weapons Is Anyone's Guess
I've looked at a number of situations where complexity is specifically for obfuscating that primary objective is keeping the money flowing; actually delivering something is way down the list of objectives. I would get whacked for KISS; more than decade ago I got into festouche with GSA over CAC-card ... with design that was significantly simpler & cheaper while making it significantly more secure. I was being accused of being too parsimonious. In many arenas (including security), violations/exploits tend to be proportional to complexity. There is the issue that to make something simple that works, it actually requires in-depth, real understanding first.
There is line about something is done not when you've finished adding stuff ... but when you can find nothing more to remove.
In the 2008 congressional hearings into the rating agencies (they played pivotal role in current financial mess), there was testimony about the rating agencies had changed their business process ... became misaligned and opened it up for conflict of interest. There was observation that regulation is extraordinarily more difficult when people are motivated to do the wrong thing. In the congressional Madoff hearings, the person that had unsuccessfully tried for a decade to get SEC to do something about Madoff, was asked if new regulations were needed. He replied that much more important than regulation was transparency and visibility.
As an aside, in the area of security ... we actually have dozens of
patents (all assigned). The patent attorneys told executives that
there would be around 100 by the time we were finished. The
executives looked at cost of filing 100 patents world-wide and
directed the claims to be repackaged as nine patents. Later the patent
office came back and said they've gotten tired of the humongous
filings that fees didn't even cover the cost to read and directed that
the claims had to be repackaged as minimum of 20-30 patents.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/x959.html#aads
news from last week was estimating DOD contract problems at $1m/day
... from one of Winslow pieces, one might conclude it closer to 1000
times that. recent reference
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#88 Justifying application of Boyd to a project manager
with regard to complexity ... from Baer's "Sleeping With the Enemy",
pg 153/loc2329-11, Reverse collection is deeply complicated
... basically takes Saudi weapon sales off-book and out from under
arms legislation ... much of the rest of the chapter is about duplicity
of US industry.
https://www.amazon.com/Sleeping-Devil-Washington-Saudi-ebook/dp/B000FBFO64
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: 68000 assembly language programming Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 11:46:29 -0400Roberto Waltman <usenet@rwaltman.com> writes:
the group at 81(?) sigops asilomar had presenetation ... one of the things they highlighted was that there was a lot of very high-level complex things moved into silicon (like multiprocessing dispatching) which frequently needed bug corrections ... requiring frequent new silicon and chip replacements.
i've previously mentioned having done a design in '75 that had some of the characteristics of the (later) 432 ... but it was all in microcode ... so would have just required shipping a new floppy.
misc. other past posts mentioning 432:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000d.html#57 iAPX-432 (was: 36 to 32 bit transition
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000d.html#62 iAPX-432 (was: 36 to 32 bit transition
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000e.html#6 Ridiculous
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001g.html#36 What was object oriented in iAPX432?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#27 iAPX432 today?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#46 IBM Mainframe at home
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002l.html#19 Computer Architectures
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002o.html#5 Anyone here ever use the iAPX432 ?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003m.html#23 Intel iAPX 432
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003m.html#24 Intel iAPX 432
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003m.html#47 Intel 860 and 960, was iAPX 432
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003n.html#45 hung/zombie users ... long boring, wandering story
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#52 Infiniband - practicalities for small clusters
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004q.html#60 Will multicore CPUs have identical cores?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004q.html#64 Will multicore CPUs have identical cores?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004q.html#73 Athlon cache question
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005d.html#64 Misuse of word "microcode"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005k.html#46 Performance and Capacity Planning
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005o.html#35 Implementing schedulers in processor????
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005q.html#31 Intel strikes back with a parallel x86 design
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006c.html#47 IBM 610 workstation computer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#44 Any resources on VLIW?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006p.html#15 "25th Anniversary of the Personal Computer"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006t.html#7 32 or even 64 registers for x86-64?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#36 Oracle Introduces Oracle VM As It Leaps Into Virtualization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008c.html#78 CPU time differences for the same job
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008d.html#54 Throwaway cores
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#32 CPU time differences for the same job
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#35 Two views of Microkernels (Re: Kernels
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#22 CLIs and GUIs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#52 Lack of bit field instructions in x86 instruction set because of patents ?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#32 Why are z/OS people reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#13 Microprocessors with Definable MIcrocode
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#18 Microprocessors with Definable MIcrocode
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#46 U.S. begins inquiry of IBM in mainframe market
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#74 Now is time for banks to replace core system according to Accenture
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#1 IA64
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#45 IA64
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#8 Far and near pointers on the 80286 and later
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#40 Faster image rotation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#22 Personal use z/OS machines was Re: Multiprise 3k for personal Use?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#28 Personal histories and IBM computing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#7 RISCversus CISC
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#91 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#79 Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: computer bootlaces Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 11:50:18 -0400Peter Moylan <invalid@peter.pmoylan.org.invalid> writes:
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: computer bootlaces Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 12:01:53 -0400Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> writes:
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: computer bootlaces Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 15:19:47 -0400Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> writes:
recent post about wearing boots walking to work and getting mud in the
halls of bldg. 28 during raining season (area reserved for hiway 85 was
just open field and no sidewalks were it intersected cottle rd)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#17 Hey all you Old Geeks (and younger ones too)
older reference ... along with "Real Programmers Don't Write Specs"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002e.html#39 Why Use *-*
from above:
Real Programmers don't play tennis, or any other sport that requires
you to change clothes. Mountain climbing and caving are OK, and real
programmers wear their wilderness boots to work in case a mountain
should suddenly spring up in the middle of the machine room.
... snip ...
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: segments and sharing, was 68000 assembly language programming Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers, comp.lang.asm.x86, alt.os.assembly Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 17:29:57 -0400John Levine <johnl@nospicedham.iecc.com> writes:
there was a period where lots of other locations started to pickup & use cp67 ... originally done at cambridge science center which had 768kbyte 360/67, 104 pageable pages after fixed storage. One was grenoble science center that had 1mbyte 360/67, 155 pageable pages (after fixed storage), approx. 50% available real storage than cambridge. As undergraduate in the 60s for cp67, I did my own multiprogramming level controls, page thrashing controls, and global LRU page replacement algorithms ... in contrast to what was published in academic literature circa 1968. In the 70s, Grenoble decided to modify cp67 with local LRU page replacement and working set controls ... from academic literature from 1968 (and Grenoble published article on the results in CACM in the early 70s). Note that with similar workload, Genoble supported 35 users with similar thruoughput and response as Cambridge system did for 75 users (grenoble 360/67 had 1.5 times the real storage of the cambridge 360/67 but only supported half as many users ... local LRU and "working set dispatcher"). misc. past posts
later, i did memory mapped filesystem for cms ... i worked hard to
provide for large block transfers and to avoid many of the tss/360
bottlenecks (that i had seen) and got on order of three times the
thruput of base cms filesystem. misc. past posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#mmap
I had problem with segment & sharing because CMS was using lots of
conventions and applications borrowed from os/360 ... and some
of the internal characteristics caused me all sorts of problems
with segment sharing ... misc. past posts discussing some of the
segement sharing problems doing memory mapped filesystem for CMS
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#adcon
note that the internal (failed) Future System picked up a lot of stuff
from tss/360 with regard to memory mapped and "single level store" misc.
past posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys
In the early 80s, this raised its head with somebody working at Tandem
(co-working of Jim Gray) doing Phd at Stanford on global LRU page
replacement ... and there was stiff academic resistance to anything
other than "local LRU". Jim was aware of my work in Global LRU as
undergraduate in the 60s ... as well as the global/local comparsion
beteen the cambridge & grenoble systems (global and other stuff
on cambridge system outperforming much larger grenoble system with
local & other academic "acceptable").
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#clock
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: computer bootlaces Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 19:00:56 -0400Peter Brooks <peter.h.m.brooks@gmail.com> writes:
i encountered "compiler bootstrap" as undergraduate ... predating both unix & C-language
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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 05 Sep, 2011 Subject: The True Cost of 9/11 -- Includes 18 Veteran Suicides a Day Blog: Facebookre:
The True Cost of 9/11 -- Includes 18 Veteran Suicides a Day
http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/09/joseph-stiglitz-the-true-cost-of-911-include-18-veteran-suicides-a-day/
Stiglitz's "Three Trillion Dollar War" references that if public
company was run like DOD, it would be brought up on SEC
charges.
https://www.amazon.com/Three-Trillion-Dollar-War-ebook/dp/B0041OTAY8
Problem in the period, GAO didn't appear to believe SEC was doing anything and started reports showing uptic in public company fraudulent financial filings (even after passage of SOX audits, theoretically to prevent more Enrons & Worldcoms). Also approx. corresponded to the fiscal responsibility act expiring ye2002 and shortly afterwards congressional legislation was creating such a horrendous gap between revenues and spending, that the head of GAO had references in his speeches that nobody in congress was capable of middle school arithmetic.
The part in "$3T War" with regard to SEC charges was mostly about program funding and audits ... thousands of miles from any actual war. Boyd had Pentagon example of this with regard to Vietnam where services would prefer to loose battles with inferior equipment than use something from another service ... the absolutely worst (Pentagon) crime was increasing one of the other service's budget share.
Stiglitz's "$3T war" also mentions the lack of auditability (/transparency/visibility) has resulted in lots of fraud which is significant factor in lack of adequate equipment for troops.
Vietnam and "perpetual war" scenarios hobble the troops so there can
never be decisive victory ... it just goes on and on (forever); the
continuing fraud is motivation for the strategy.
http://chuckspinney.blogspot.com/p/domestic-roots-of-perpetual-war.html
This is similar to beltway bandits Success of Failure culture,
always failure, means never finishing and money flows forever
http://www.govexec.com/management/management-matters/2007/04/the-success-of-failure/24107/
misc. past posts mentioning Boyd
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: segments and sharing, was 68000 assembly language programming Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers, comp.lang.asm.x86, alt.os.assembly Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 21:41:42 -0400John Levine <johnl@nospicedham.iecc.com> writes:
one of the last adtech conferences in the 70s was in POK ... we
presented 16-way 370 SMP and the 801 group was presenting 801/risc.
... the FS failure and mad rush to get products back into 370 product
pipeline also cannibalized adtech groups ... misc. past posts mentioning
FS
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys
somebody in the 801 group was making statements that vm370 couldn't support 16way smp because he had looked at the production shipped code and it didn't contain any smp support.
the 801 group then presented inverted page tables and 16 segment "registers" ... 16 256mbyte segments (32bit addressing). I pointed out 16 segments were way too small a number. The response was 801 is a "closed" system with no (hardware) protection domains ... inline application/library code can change segment register values as easily as general purpose register values (security would be achieved by the pl.8 compiler only generating correct programs and cp.r loader would only load valid pl.8 compiled programs.
(the amount of vm370 code written to support 16way 370 smp ... was enormously less than the amount of code that the 801 group had yet to write)
later 801 email reference in the 80s
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006t.html#email810812
in this comp.arch post
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006t.html#7 32 or even 64 registers for x86-64?
romp/801 was originally going to be follow-on to displaywriter. When that project was killed, there was search to find some other use and decided on unix workstation ... the group that had done AT&T unix port to ibm/pc as pc/ix was hired to do aixv2 running on pc/rt. for unix port, however romp/801 had to have hardware protection domain added ... which eliminate the ability to change segment register values with inline application/library code (instead requiring kernel calls).
i was dragged in working out how to package multiple small shared
segments into single large 256mbytes segment. ... old email refs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#email841114c
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#email841127
in this comp.arch post
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#36 Multiple mappings
misc. (other) old 801/risc email
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#801
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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 06 Sep, 2011 Subject: Cracking the code Blog: Google+Cracking the code
from above:
After the 2008 financial crisis hit, many people were startled to
learn that the leaders of some investment banks knew little about the
risks their firms had taken.
... snip ...
Some amount of this is obfuscation ... the personal gain was so enormous that it swamped any possible concern for their institution, economy, and/or country. Risk managers claimed that the business leaders (also) directed them to fiddle the inputs (to the risk models) until the desired outputs (GIGO) were achieved.
How Wall Street Lied to Its Computers
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/18/how-wall-streets-quants-lied-to-their-computers/
Subprime = Triple-A ratings? or 'How to Lie with Statistics' (gone 404 but lives on at the wayback machine)
https://web.archive.org/web/20071111031315/http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2007/07/25/subprime-triple-a-ratings-or-how-to-lie-with-statistics/
misc. past posts mentioning How Wall Street Lied to Its Computer:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#49 VMware Chief Says the OS Is History
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#52 Technology and the current crisis
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#53 Your thoughts on the following comprehensive bailout plan please
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#56 VMware Chief Says the OS Is History
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#65 Whether, in our financial crisis, the prize for being the biggest liar is
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#69 Another quiet week in finance
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#72 Why was Sarbanes-Oxley not good enough to sent alarms to the regulators about the situation arising today?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#78 Isn't it the Federal Reserve role to oversee the banking system??
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#80 Why did Sox not prevent this financal crisis?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#82 Fraud in financial institution
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#15 Financial Crisis - the result of uncontrolled Innovation?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#18 Once the dust settles, do you think Milton Friedman's economic theories will be laid to rest
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#19 What's your view of current global financial / economical situation?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#26 SOX (Sarbanes-Oxley Act), is this really followed and worthful considering current Financial Crisis?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#28 Does anyone get the idea that those responsible for containing this finanical crisis are doing too much?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#34 The human plague
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#75 In light of the recent financial crisis, did Sarbanes-Oxley fail to work?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#82 Greenspan testimony and securization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#83 Chip-and-pin card reader supply-chain subversion 'has netted millions from British shoppers'
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008p.html#8 Global Melt Down
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008p.html#70 Is there any technology that we are severely lacking in the Financial industry?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008q.html#49 Have not the following principles been practically disproven, once and for all, by the current global financial meltdown?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008q.html#50 Obama, ACORN, subprimes (Re: Spiders)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#58 Blinkenlights
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#64 Is This a Different Kind of Financial Crisis?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#8 Top financial firms of US are eyeing on bailout. It implies to me that their "Risk Management Department's" assessment was way below expectations
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#9 Blind-sided, again. Why?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#23 Garbage in, garbage out trampled by Moore's law
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#29 Let IT run the company!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#35 Is American capitalism and greed to blame for our financial troubles in the US?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#55 Is this the story behind the crunchy credit stuff?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#62 Garbage in, garbage out trampled by Moore's law
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#14 What are the challenges in risk analytics post financial crisis?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#63 CROOKS and NANNIES: what would Boyd do?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#80 Are reckless risks a natural fallout of "excessive" executive compensation ?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#36 A great article was posted in another BI group: "To H*** with Business Intelligence: 40 Percent of Execs Trust Gut"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#53 Credit & Risk Management ... go Simple ?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#54 In your opinion, which facts caused the global crise situation?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#65 What can agencies such as the SEC do to insure us that something like Madoff's Ponzi scheme will never happen again?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#4 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#28 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#16 The Formula That Killed Wall Street
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#18 HSBC is expected to announce a profit, which is good, what did they do differently?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#30 I need insight on the Stock Market
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#36 Bernanke Says Regulators Must Protect Against Systemic Risks
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#40 Bernanke Says Regulators Must Protect Against Systemic Risks
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#59 Quiz: Evaluate your level of Spreadsheet risk
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#8 The background reasons of Credit Crunch
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#1 Future of Financial Mathematics?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#31 OODA-loop obfuscation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#29 Analysing risk, especially credit risk in Banks, which was a major reason for the current crisis
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#38 what is mortgage-backed securities?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009n.html#49 Opinions on the 'Unix Haters' Handbook'
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#21 Opinions on the 'Unix Haters' Handbook'
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#87 search engine history, was Happy DEC-10 Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#40 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#66 No command, and control
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#53 What do you think about fraud prevention in the governments?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#75 America's Defense Meltdown
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#42 Productivity And Bubbles
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#56 50th anniversary of BASIC, COBOL?
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: segments and sharing, was 68000 assembly language programming Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers, comp.lang.asm.x86, alt.os.assembly Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 13:00:57 -0400Morten Reistad <first@nospicedham.last.name> writes:
some of the CTSS people went to the 5th flr and did Multics and some
went to science center on the 4th flr and did virtual machines (first
cp40 on specially modified 360/40 which morphed into cp67 when 360/67
became available). past posts mentioning sci center
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech
when I joined the science center ... i figured I knew it all and I could do at least anything the multics group could do ... at least within the constraints of 360/67 hardware and some other restrictions (page mapped file system, virtual object segment sharing, demand paging, thrashing controls, dynamic adatpive resource management and bunch of other things).
360/67 virtual address space was linear and segments fit within that at specific boundaries ... but didn't have to be contiguous ... could have "invalid segments" as well as "short" segments, any number of virtual pages up to maximum per segment. 32bit address allowed for up to 4096 1mbyte segments for each virtual address space. transition to 370, dropped back to only having 24bit address ... but introduced option of (up to 256) 64kbyte segments as alternative to (up to) 16 1mbyte segments.
with the failure of FS ... and mad rush to get stuff back into 370
product pipelines ... decision was made to pickup and release some
amount of the 370 stuff I had been doing during the FS period (possibly
wasn't exactly career enhancing to also have periodically ridiculed the
FS activities).
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys
a very small, basterized subset of my segment sharing (w/o page mapped
filesystem) was released in vm370 as DCSS. some reference & old email
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#7 Why these original FORTRAN quirks?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#8 Why these original FORTRAN quirks?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#9 dcss and page mapped filesystem
misc. past posts mentioning paged mapped filesystem
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#mmap
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 16:17:20 -0400hancock4 writes:
FS was partitioned into sections with different section being "owned" by different executives. While I was outside the FS effort and would periodically ridicule the effort ... my wife reported to one of the "section" owners and thought it was great adventure ... every (impractical) bluesky thing ever thought of was included ... although she was critical of several sections that were totally vaporware ... containing no content ("wheres the beef") ... aka as other references to FS ... there was much that was case of emperor's new clothes ... and some of the top executives trying to save face (had significant downside effect on corporate culture).
i've repeated 3rd hand story about gov. litigation and testimony by one of the other computer vendor executives ... that by the late 50s, everybody in the industry knew that the single most important thing in (commercial dataprocessing) market was to have compatible line of computers ... TJWjr was the only executive to achieve the goal ... the executives at the other vendors weren't able to force individual plant managers from doing local optimization for technology related to their particular model (creating incompatibilities). the theory was that having achieved the single most important item, it would still be able to get nearly everything else wrong ... and still prevail.
past posts in this thread:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#21 Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#31 Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#61 Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#62 Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#79 Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#80 Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary
past posts mentioning gov. litigation and single most important
objective:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#44 bloat
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#231 Why couldn't others compete against IBM?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001j.html#33 Big black helicopters
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003.html#71 Card Columns
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004d.html#22 System/360 40th Anniversary
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005k.html#0 IBM/Watson autobiography--thoughts on?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005k.html#4 IBM/Watson autobiography--thoughts on?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005k.html#27 IBM/Watson autobiography--thoughts on?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006i.html#5 Transition of platforms in british education
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006i.html#7 Transition of platforms in british education
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006q.html#60 Was FORTRAN buggy?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007f.html#77 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#42 1960s: IBM mgmt mistrust of SLT for ICs?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#34 IBM 8000 ???
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#8 what does xp do when system is copying
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#63 Remembering the CDC 6600
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#65 Remembering the CDC 6600
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010.html#45 360 programs on a z/10
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#14 360 programs on a z/10
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#21 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#81 Hashing for DISTINCT or GROUP BY in SQL
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#52 TCM's Moguls documentary series
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#57 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#36 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#69 Who was the Greatest IBM President and CEO of the last century?
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Scotland, was Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 17:46:03 -0400Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> writes:
the military museum at the castle in Edinburgh
http://www.edinburghcastle.gov.uk/
has memorial to brave scottish men enlisting in the military for WW1 and
killed at Gallipoli ... the BBC program mentioned lots of english
political appointed military officers getting lots of Commonwealth
soliders slaughtered ... including scottish ... not just from australia
and new zealand
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallipoli_Campaign
past posts mentioning a visit
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006u.html#57 Pedantry (was RE: Shane's antipodes)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#10 Horrid thought about Politics, President Bush, and Democrats
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 18:00:46 -0400hancock4 writes:
from recent (linkedin) Greater IBM thread
Tom Watson Sr. (1914 - 1956)
Tom Watson Jr. (1956 - 1971)
T. Vincent Learson (1971 - 1973)
Frank T. Cary (1973 - 1981)
John R. Opel (1981 - 1985)
John F. Akers (1985 - 1993)
Louis V. Gerstner (1993 - 2002)
...
Learson was there for the start ... but was about to retire ... folklore is that he engineered the conversion from rental to purchase (which had long-term detrimental effects) ... to give company big one-time revenue boost so that he got a big "departing" bonus (some of the linkedin Greater IBM thread mentions other executives objecting to the rental->purchase conversion because of long-term downside).
While Cary was CEO during the rest of the FS period ... both Opel and
Akers were in significant executive position (and as many other
references have noted the FS failure reflected on both). misc. past
posts mentioning FS
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys
AMEX, Private Equity, IBM related Gerstner posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#gerstner
recent posts mentioning Learson
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#69 Who was the Greatest IBM President and CEO of the last century?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#34 Who was the Greatest IBM President and CEO of the last century?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#45 HP getting out of computer biz
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#58 HP getting out of computer biz
other posts in the (linkedin) greater ibm thread:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#60 Who was the Greatest IBM President and CEO of the last century?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#65 Who was the Greatest IBM President and CEO of the last century?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#57 Who was the Greatest IBM President and CEO of the last century?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#73 Who was the Greatest IBM President and CEO of the last century
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 20:32:48 -0400Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> writes:
system/34
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/34
was approx. concurrent with system/38
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/38
from above:
System/38 was a descendant of the abandoned IBM Future Systems project,
which had been designed as the replacement for the System/360 and
System/370 mainframe architectures. System/38 offered more capacity than
the previous IBM computer system, System/34. Somewhat confusingly,
System/38 chronologically preceded System/36 which was a successor to
the System/34.
... snip ...
ibm system/38 archives
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/rochester/rochester_4009.html
i432 intro/abstracts make reference to system/38 ... recent reference:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#2 68000 assembly language programming
references this post that has reproduced intro mentioning s/38
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#48 Famous Machines and Software that didn't
future system wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Future_Systems_project
from above:
Although the FS project as a whole was killed, a simplified version of
the architecture for the smallest of the three machines continued to be
developed in Rochester. It was finally released as the IBM System/38,
which proved to be a good design for ease of programming, but it was
woefully underpowered. The AS/400 inherited the same architecture, but
with performance improvements. In both machines, the very CISCy
instruction set generated by compilers is not interpreted, but
translated into a lower-level machine instruction set and executed; the
original lower-level instruction set was a CISC instruction set with
some similarities to the System/360 instruction set,[1] with an extended
version of the PowerPC instruction set, which evolved from John Cocke's
RISC machine, used as the lower-level instruction set in later machines
... snip ...
One of the issues with s/38 was it was a single virtual address space and single-level-store ... everything mapped as virtual memory ... including all file/disk accesses. a simplification resulted in doing "scatter" allocation across all available disks (records for the same file might be spread across all s/38 disks). This necessitated s/38 backup/restores being doing in single aggregate operation ... and single disk failure met doing a complete system restore. This motivated s/38 to be an early adopter of RAID technology as countermeasure to effects of single-disk failures (common failure mode).
note starting circa 1980, there was internal effort standardization on 801/risc to replace the large number of internal microprocessors, controller microprocessors, low&midrange 370 microprocessor ... as well as the basis for as/400 ... many of these were 801/risc "iliad" chip. For various reasons those efforts floundered in the 80s.
In the case of the as/400 (to replace s/38), after iliad cratered,
rochester had mad rush to develop a cisc chip for the initial as/400.
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/rochester/rochester_4010.html
recent post mention 801/risc ROMP processor developed for the
displaywriter follow-on
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#9 segments and sharing, was 68000 assembly language programming
when displaywriter follow-on was canceled, it was retargeted to the unix
workstation market. That eventually begate follow-on RIOS processor for
rs/6000 ... and then spin-off was somerset effort with motorola and
apple for power/pc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC
and decade after it was originally suppose to use 801/risc, as/400
moved to power/pc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS64
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS/400
misc. past email mentioning 801, iliad, romp, etc
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#801
& past posts mentioning 801
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#801
past posts in this thread:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#21 Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#31 Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#61 Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#62 Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#79 Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#80 Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#12 Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#14 Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 20:51:52 -0400despen writes:
the s/38 wiki page references the Future System wiki pages ... which mentions that the s/38 was "woefully underpowered". It likely would have been much worse if not for the "simplification" ... there was whole sections of "FS" that was vaporware ... didn't exist ... which you could get away with not having in entry level market especially for customers that didn't have any dataprocessor or still moving tab machines.
For high-end dataprocessing large customers couldn't get away with lack of thruput; totally missing features, lack of scale-up (example is scatter allocation requiring static backup/restore of all available disks might be possible work for a few disks on s/38 ... but wouldn't work for 300 disk, disk-farm ... probability of single-disk failure increases significantly ... and strategy of complete system shutdown and complete restore of all 300 disks ... just because of single disk failure is totally infeasable).
Folklore is that one of the final nails in the FS coffin was analysis that a large commercial customer ... currently running on 370/195 ... if moved to the highest end Future System box ... made out of same performance components available in 370/195 ... would have about 1/30th the thruput of 370/195.
misc. future system posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys
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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 06 Sep, 2011 Subject: Washington's Cult of Continuous Failure Blog: phibetaiotaWashington's Cult of Continuous Failure
from above:
"Stiglitz's "$3T war" also mentions the lack of auditability
(/transparency/visibility) has resulted in lots of fraud which is
significant factor in lack of adequate equipment for troops. Vietnam
and "perpetual war" scenarios hobble the troops so there can never be
decisive victory ... it just goes on and on; the continuing fraud is
motivation for the strategy. This is similar to beltway bandits
Success of Failure culture, always failure, means never finishing
and money flows forever"
Domestic Roots of Perpetual War
http://chuckspinney.blogspot.com/p/domestic-roots-of-perpetual-war.html
Success of Failure Standard Operating Procedure
http://www.govexec.com/management/management-matters/2007/04/the-success-of-failure/24107/
also:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#8 The True Cost of 9/11 -- Includes 18 Veteran Suicides a Day
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 23:47:26 -0400despen writes:
probably more significant was that security provisions obfuscated how much trouble the project was actually in ... contributing to the emperor's new clothes syndrome.
There had been document leak involving unannounced 370 virtual memory (370 was originally announced w/o virtual memory) that found its way to some industry publication. This resulted in a "pentagon-like witch hunt" for the leak. One of the results was that all corporate copying machines had serial numbers taped to the underside of the scanning glass ... so that it was reproduced on all copies made ... at least being able to track copied (leaked) documents to the machine where copy was made.
the vm370 development group (out in burlington mall) had a piece of Future System effort. The made several enhancements to their vm370 for being able to only view future system documents online from real 3270 display terminals located in bldg. (3270s with no hardcopy capability).
One weekend, I had some time on one of the other 370 machines in their
machine room ... as part of getting science center production
cp67 moved to vm370 base ... some old email on the subject:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006v.html#email731212
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email750102
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email750430
I was there late friday afternoon making sure that everything was setup for my test time. Some of the people took the opportunity to brag about all their vm370 enhancements for controlled access to Future System documentation ... and made the claim that even "I" wouldn't be able to breach the security ... even if i was left alone in the machine room all weekend. My response was that it would take less than five minutes. Most of the time was shutting down all access to the machine from outside the computer room ... and then from the front console, I flipped a bit in kernel storage ... it was in the authentication routine that resulted in everything being taken as valid authentication (its the only time I remembering rising to such provocation). One of the things I pointed out was that to close the vulnerability ... a new generation of front computer panels would be required that provided for authentication access facilities that controlled access to storage examination/modification facilities.
I've mentioned that there was something analogous with the european
payment card chip ... originally introduced in the mid-90s and a large
pilot done in the US at the start of the century (chip susceptable to
exploits) ... and then (after publication of exploits) appeared to
disappear w/o a trace ... and since then periodic news items about
possibly trying to re-introduce in the US. This article (that has gone
404) mentions that it was trivial to create counterfeit/cloned cards
https://web.archive.org/web/20030417083810/http://www.smartcard.co.uk/resources/articles/cartes2002.html
presentation of the exploits at the ATM Integrity Taskforce ... resulted in person from the audience making the comment that they managed to spend billions of dollars to prove that chips are less secure than magstripe.
The counterfeit cards were referred to yes card ... because whatever
the merchant's point-of-sale terminal asked the card ... it would always
reply "YES" (including whether correct authentication had been entered).
misc. past posts mentioning YES CARD
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#yescard
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 00:42:33 -0400hancock4 writes:
as result of gov. litigation there was the 23jun69 unbundling
announcement
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#unbundle
for SE services, maintenance, and application software (the case was made that kernel software should still be free).
one of the results was they recognized that they "lost" traditional training for new SEs ... basically as apprentice type activity as part of SE team at customer site. with starting to charge for all SE time at customer site ... there wasn't anyway to justify new SE apprentice activity.
This spawned the original HONE effort ... several cp67 datacenters
around the country where technical people in branch office could access
remotely ... and have "hands-on" with operating systems running in
virtual machines. misc. past posts mentioning HONE (eventually evolves
into online world-wide sales & marketing support, original virtual
machine purpose disappearing)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone
internal politics during FS period was killing off 370 efforts ... viewed as competitive ... but justified that FS would completely replace all 370 and it wouldn't exist any longer. With the failure of FS there was mad rush to get stuff back into the 370 hardware and software product pipelines ... however, the delay is credited with giving clone processor competition market foothold.
The clone processor market started out with MTS/370 (michigan terminal system) ... which didn't have any IBM support or VM/370 which tended to have little or no IBM onsite support. IBM executives were making claims that large "true blue" commercial "MVS" (POK favorite son operating system) wouldn't go with clone processor vendors because they would loose the large on-site support groups (possibly 20 IBM SEs at some large accounts) ... and clone vendors didn't have the staff to back-fill such skilled resources at customers (aka, executives were counting on MVS requring huge numbers of scarce skilled resources ... as marketing barrier to clone processor vendors).
In the mean time, IBM was in mad rush to turn out 303x machines in
parallel with work on 370/xa and 3081 machines ... recent posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#9 Was there ever a DOS JCL reference like the Brown book?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#11 Was there ever a DOS JCL reference like the Brown book?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#84 'smttter IBMdroids
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#86 'smttter IBMdroids
turns out there was an incident with a very large east coast financial institution (one of ibm's largest, prestige customers with huge datacenter filled with sea of ibm mainframes) ... where the local branch manager horribly offended the customer. The customer then told ibm that as a result, they were going to install a clone processor (hardly notice in the vast sea of ibm mainframes). This was supposedly going to ruin the branch manager's career since he would be known as the person that allowed clone processor to break into the "true blue" commercial dataprocessor. I was asked to go live at the customer for six months ... so it would create the impression that the customer was doing a technical evaluation between ibm and clone processors ... deflecting blame away from the branch manager (the technical evaluation was purely fiction, the clone installation was proceeding regardless to teach ibm a lesson). I refused the request ... even after i was told that the branch manager was personal friend of the ceo ... and if i didn't agree it would spell the end of any career i might have in the company (i still refused). After the clone processor barrier was broken with this customer, lots of other "true blue" customers would start buying them.
The 3033 eventually ships ... but so does endicott's 4341 mid-range
machines. There are similar total number of 43xx and vax sales
involving small volume orders (in mid-range market). old post with
decade of vax numbers:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002f.html#0 Computers in Science Fiction
The big difference in numbers (between 43xx & vax) was large commercial accounts making large volume orders in units of hundreds. The 4341 machines were going out into departmental supply and conference rooms ... and became the leading wave of distributed computing. Within ibm the huge explosion in 4341 machines resulted in conference rooms becoming scarce commodity.
A datacenter cluster of 4341s had higher aggregate mip rate, lower cost,
smaller physical footprint and resource requirements ... than 3033 (in
addition to reduced resource and footprint allowed distributed
installations outside traditional datacenter). some past email
discussion exloding 4341 market
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#4341
one of the things discussed in the above ... was internal datacenters starting to burst at the seams with large 168 and 3033 machines ... and still was not meeting the internal computing demand. The 4341 small physical & resource footprint ... allowed giving each organization their own 4341 w/o any impact to central datacenter. The enormous MVS support requirements as well as other special MVS requirements that were added to 3033 and not available on 4341 ... essentially resulted in all these 4341s going in as vm/370 systems. Then a lot of the old-time internal traditional MVS dataprocessing applications had to be ported to the distributed vm/4341 environment (as part of significantly increasing internal dataprocessing capacity & thruput).
In parallel with the big-spike in mid-range machines (43xx and vax) ... there was starting to be PCs and workstations ... by the mid-80s, those PCs and workstations were starting to take-over the mid-range market (as can be seen in the referenced vax numbers) as well as the distributed computing market. This shift in the late 80s and early 90s was not seen by top executives.
In the mid-80s, top executives predicted that ibm gross would double from $60B to $120B ... primarily mainframe ... and there started a big internal building program ... targeted at doubling mainframe manufacturing capacity. Many of these buildings were being finished as collapse of mainframe sales was so severe that it could even be seen by top executives. This late 80s period also appeared to have big uptick in "fast track" executive training program ... apparently trying to double ranks of top executives to go along with the doubling of mainframe sales.
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 10:12:44 -0400Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> writes:
in the aftermath of 23jun69 unbundling announcement there appeared the
training issue with new "SE" technical support (onsite at customer
accounts).
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#unbundle
which was original motivation for internal online (virtual machine
based) HONE
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone
Then in the aftermath of FS failure and appearance of clone processor
vendors gaining market foothold ... executives viewed the scarcity of
skilled "SE" technical support for onsite at customer accounts a barrier
to entry for clone processor vendors (at least in the case of MVS).
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys
unbundling started charging for application software ... but they
managed to make the case that kernel software should still be free.
with the appearance of clone processors in the market, there was
decision to transition to kernel software charging (and eventually OCO
... object-code-only). Also the mad rush to get stuff back in 370
product pipelines contributed to releasing some of the 370 stuff I had
been doing all during the FS period (as well as periodically ridiculing
what FS was doing). The decision was made to take part of the stuff I
was doing, package it as separate kernel component and use it as guinea
pig for starting to charge for kernel software. misc. past posts
about dynamic adaptive resource management
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#fairshare
The significant improvement in midrange computing price/performance with 43xx and vax machines saw explosion in computer orders and installations (large customer with a few large datacenters adding several hundred or thousand 43xx machines all over the company ... out in departmental settings ... leading edge of the distributed computing wave). Scarcity of both vendor and customer skilled resources became an uptake barrier. Because of the extremely high level of skills required to support MVS ... it effectively eliminated it from this market. IBM "SHARE" user group had studies about VAX/VMS requiring somewhat fewer & lower skill levels than VM370 ... and that contributed to VM/43xx landscape against VAX/VMS ... i.e. claims that 43xx machines with better price/performance than vax/vms ... some 11,000 vax/vms machines should have been 43xx machines ... but market was starting to shift away from purely hardware price/performance. With improvement in hardware price/performance and "explosion" in the numbers, scarce skilled support skills was becoming growing factor in computing budget.
There is some cross-over at lower-end of the market with s/38 where
it significantly reduced programming and support costs although
it was woefully underpowered
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#15 Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#16 Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary
This accelerated as larger volumes of workstations and PCs started to take over the mid-range market in the mid-80s. In linkedin Greater IBM posts, somebody mentioned that the internal order management system took a long time to adapt to change from a few single large orders to thousands of orders involving thousands of machines.
There are misc. other things inhibiting MVS uptake in the exploding
midrange market (with 43xx). One was that IBM had 3380 mainframe disks
that were still CKD and mainstay of datacenter operations. However, the
only mid-range disk was 3370 and it was purely FBA (and complimented
43xx physical&resource footprint for installation in deparmental
environments). MVS hasn't been able to break from its OS/360 CKD disk
heritage to this day ... even though all "CKD" disks have been emulation
on top of some form of FBA for decades. To provide MVS with some entre
into the mid-range market, eventually "3375" CKD product was developed
... which was CKD emulation with real 3370 FBA disks.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#dasd
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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 07 Sep, 2011 Subject: HOLLOW STATES and a CRISIS OF CAPITALISM Blog: FacebookHOLLOW STATES and a CRISIS OF CAPITALISM
lots of trading has been subject to human emotion ... this has made it
vulnerable to manipulation by insiders biasing news up&down and taking
profit on the spread (playing moves in both direction, i.e. volatility).
lots of the high-frequency computer stuff is watching news ... and
predicting slight trends with smaller spreads but at much higher
frequency. Some discontinuities when it is mostly high-frequency
computer programs playing against each other. However, the insider
stuff has been well entrenched in stock market (like illegal naked short
sales) ... slight slip (pervasive but didn't have to worry about any
SEC action):
http://nypost.com/2007/03/20/cramer-reveals-a-bit-too-much/
Not quite so well entrenched, it is somewhat more apparent in
commodities market. Griftopia has commodities requiring players to
have significant positions because speculators resulted in wild,
irrational price swings. Then "19 secret letters" were issued to
specific speculators resulting in wild, irrational price swings
... like oil spiking over $100. Recent example: FIA "shocked and
outraged after Senator leaks oil trading data"
http://www.finextra.com/news/Fullstory.aspx?newsitemid=22911
The issue of lack of transparency and visibility comes up in almost
every case. I had been asked into NSCC (before merged with DTC to
become DTCC) to look at improving the integrity of trades. After
putting in some amount of work, it was suspended with the comment that
a side-effect of the integrity work would have greatly increased
trading transparency and visibility (which is antithetical to the
trading culture).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depository_Trust_%26_Clearing_Corporation
misc. past posts mentioning Cramer article and/or Griftopia book
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#4 dollar coins
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#31 SEC bans illegal activity then permits it
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#1 illegal naked short selling
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#83 Chip-and-pin card reader supply-chain subversion 'has netted millions from British shoppers'
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008p.html#8 Global Melt Down
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#41 Profiling of fraudsters
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#59 They always think we don't understand
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#6 What banking is. (Essential for predicting the end of finance as we know it.)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#7 What banking is. (Essential for predicting the end of finance as we know it.)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#43 WikiLeaks' Wall Street Bombshell
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#53 What do you think about fraud prevention in the governments?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#55 America's Defense Meltdown
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#59 Productivity And Bubbles
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#21 The first personal computer (PC)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#26 The first personal computer (PC)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#39 Back to architecture: Analyzing NYSE data
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#35 At least two decades back, some gurus predicted that mainframes would disappear
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#90 CFTC Limits on Commodity Speculation May Wait Until Early 2012
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#17 Hey all you Old Geeks (and younger ones too), with gas heading towards $6.00/gal, remote support, satellite offices and home office will become more cost effective
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#11 Innovation and iconoclasm
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#38 Advice from Richard P. Feynman
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#40 Advice from Richard P. Feynman
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#46 Sand in Machine Makes a Stable Market
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#60 50th anniversary of BASIC, COBOL?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#76 FIA shocked and outraged after Senator leaks oil trading data
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#89 The Grand Message in the Conceptual Spiral
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: IBM IMS - Vern Watts Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:23:51 -0400despen writes:
tributes, rip 4apr2009
http://www.vcwatts.org/
old email ... one of the things jim was "handing off" when he left
for tandem was consulting with ims group:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#email801016
in this post
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#1 The Elements of Programming Style
ims wiki page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Information_Management_System
note that folklore is that STL was working on EAGLE as the next DBMS ...
that pre-occupation is credited being able to do system/r technology
to endicott for release of sql/ds ... past posts mentioning system/r
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#systemr
then with crash and burn of EAGLE, the system/r group was asked how fast system/r could ship on MVS (originally have been developed on vm370) ... and was originally released for decision/analysis (not transaction processing).
similar post from earlier this year in (linkedin) mainframe group
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#85
above mentions some rivalry between ims and system/r
there was also some "rivalry" between IMS and CICS ... old reference
gone 404
https://web.archive.org/web/20020618073815/http://objectz.com/columnists/tscott/part1.html
referenced in this old post
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004n.html#16
I also did a couple other things for IMS group ... totally unrelated to
DBMS consulting ... STL (now SVL, silicon valley lab) was bursting at
the seams and to make move, 300 people from the IMS group was being
moved to offsite building. They had tested remote 3270 terminal support
for access back to the STL datacenter and found it horrible (totally
unacceptable human factors). I got dragged into doing HYPERchannel
driver ... as channel extender ... basically 300 "local" channel
attached 3270s at the remote site over microwave link. Response was
basically indistinguishable from real local 3270 in building (they were
use to small subsecond vm370/cms response). An interesting side-effect
was that mainframe system throughput went-up 10-15% because the direct
channel-attached 3270 controllers were removed from local mainframe
channels and replaced with HYPERchannel A220 adapters (which
significantly reduced aggregate channel busy ... resulting in
improvement in disk/file i/o thruput). misc. past posts mentioning
HSDT project ... some amount involving various HYPERchannel boxes
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#hsdt
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: computer bootlaces Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:40:39 -0400Peter Brooks <peter.h.m.brooks@gmail.com> writes:
this might be considered a possible instance of recent comment about
possibly getting everything else wrong ... and still prevail:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#12 Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary
misc. past post mentioning Bemer's webpages
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009k.html#26 A Complete History Of Mainframe Computing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009k.html#27 Origins of EBCDIC
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009k.html#39 Mainframe Utility for EBCDIC to ASCII conversion
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009k.html#41 Disksize history question
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009s.html#63 CAPS Fantasia
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#4 Happy DEC-10 Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#65 They've changed the keyboard layout _again_
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#9 Typewriter vs. Computer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#67 Wondering if I am really eligible for this group
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#6 50th anniversary of BASIC, COBOL?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#45 HP getting out of computer biz
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: computer bootlaces Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:53:59 -0400Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
had 2250-4 ... i.e. 2250-1 was direct mainframe channel attached vector graphics ... 2250-4 was a 2250 vector graphics with a 1130; 2250-1 and 2250-4 were about same price.
2250-4 at columbia
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/2250.html
more 2250-4
http://www.ibm1130.net/functional/DisplayUnit.html
somebody had ported spacewar to science center 2250-4/1130
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacewar!
2250 keyboard was split in half for 2-person play ... analogous to one of the pictures in above wiki page.
sometimes I brought my kids to the science center on weekends and they would play spacewar
misc. past posts mentioning spacewar
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/97.html#2 IBM 1130 (was Re: IBM 7090--used for business or science?)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000b.html#67 oddly portable machines
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000g.html#24 A question for you old guys -- IBM 1130 information
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001b.html#71 Z/90, S/390, 370/ESA (slightly off topic)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#10 5-player Spacewar?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#12 5-player Spacewar?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#13 5-player Spacewar?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#14 5-player Spacewar?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#51 Logo (was Re: 5-player Spacewar?)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001h.html#8 VM: checking some myths.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001j.html#26 Help needed on conversion from VM to OS390
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002i.html#20 6600 Console was Re: CDC6600 - just how powerful a machine was
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002j.html#22 Computer Terminal Design Over the Years
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002o.html#17 PLX
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003c.html#0 Wanted: Weird Programming Language
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003c.html#72 OT: One for the historians - 360/91
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003d.html#38 The PDP-1 - games machine?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003f.html#39 1130 Games WAS Re: Any DEC 340 Display System Doco ?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003m.html#14 Seven of Nine
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003o.html#10 IS CP/M an OS?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004c.html#34 Playing games in mainframe
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004d.html#45 who were the original fortran installations?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004f.html#32 Usenet invented 30 years ago by a Swede?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004m.html#20 Whatever happened to IBM's VM PC software?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005k.html#22 Where should the type information be?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005r.html#12 Intel strikes back with a parallel x86 design
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005u.html#4 Fast action games on System/360+?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006e.html#28 MCTS
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#22 Was CMS multi-tasking?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#77 PDP-1 Spacewar! program internals
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#62 PC premiered 40 years ago to awed crowd
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#5 real-time messages
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#51 Happy DEC-10 Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#74 Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#0 What is the protocal for GMT offset in SMTP (e-mail) header time-stamp?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#33 Was VM ever used as an exokernel?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#5 Is email dead? What do you think?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#45 My first mainframe experience
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#49 My first mainframe experience
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#56 VAXen on the Internet
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#66 Wasn't instant messaging on IBM's VM/CMS in the early 1980s
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#4 Announcement of the disk drive (1956)
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: computer bootlaces Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 19:28:16 -0400Peter Brooks <peter.h.m.brooks@gmail.com> writes:
part of folklore is at peak, tss/360 (virtual memory, single-level-store, paged-mapped filesystem, etc) had 1200 people ... about the time that science center had 12 people working on cp67/cms (both for same 360/67 virtual memory machine).
os/360 started out as PCP ... added MFT & MVT options ... MFT and MVT options somewhat continued in parallel ... MFT somewhat for mid-range 360s ... and MVT for larger 360s. then there was dos/360 for smaller and entry level machines ... quite independent groups.
then there were the compiler language groups ... quite a bit in NYC time/life building until it was closed in the 70s and moved elsewhere.
from ibm jargon:
TIME/LIFE - n. The legendary (defunct since 1975) New York Programming
Center, formerly in the TIME & LIFE Building on 6th Avenue, near the
Rockefeller Center, in New York City. For many years it was the home of
System/360 and System/370 Languages, Sorts and Utilities. Its
programmers are now primarily in IBM Kingston, Palo Alto, and Santa Teresa
(or retired).
... snip ...
I got blamed for online computer conferencing in the late 70s and early
80s on the internal network ... larger than the arpanet/internet from
just about the beginning until possibly late '85 or early '86 ... some
past posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet
the folklore was that when the executive committee (ceo, pres, etc) was informed of online computer conferencing and the internal network, five-of-six wanted to immediately fire me.
some amount of the online discussion was about health & vitality
of the company ... from ibm jargon:
Tandem Memos - n. Something constructive but hard to control; a fresh
of breath air (sic). "That's another Tandem Memos." A phrase to worry
middle management. It refers to the computer-based conference (widely
distributed in 1981) in which many technical personnel expressed
dissatisfaction with the tools available to them at that time, and also
constructively criticized the way products were [are] developed. The
memos are required reading for anyone with a serious interest in quality
products. If you have not seen the memos, try reading the November 1981
Datamation summary.
... snip ...
and ...
MIP envy - n. The term, coined by Jim Gray in 1980, that began the Tandem
Memos (q.v.). MIP envy is the coveting of other's facilities - not just
the CPU power available to them, but also the languages, editors,
debuggers, mail systems and networks. MIP envy is a term every
programmer will understand, being another expression of the proverb The
grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
... snip ...
20sep1980 version of MIP Envy
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#email800920
in this post
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#17 Jim Gray Is Missing
some old email referencing Jim leaving for Tandem:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#email801006
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#email801016
in this post
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#1
However, Tandem Memos was more a case of a visit I made to Jim at Tandem (after he had left), I then wrote up a trip report about the visit and distributed it online.
One of the comments in the online computer conferencing ... was that
successful efforts tended to complete on time with small number of
people and resources, while major disasters kept throwing people at it
... increasing the hierarchy, resources, and budgets for the associated
executives (where there compensation was somewhat proportional to the
number of people in their organizations ... executives running
disasters tended to be higher compensated than executives that had
successful efforts). This more recently appears as Success of Failure
culture ... article on the subject:
http://www.govexec.com/management/management-matters/2007/04/the-success-of-failure/24107/
there was lots of corporate investigation into online computer conferencing (and "tandem memos") ... one of the results was official sanctioned online computer conferencing.
from ibm jargon:
conferencing facility - n. A service machine that allows data files to
be shared among many people and places. These files are typically forums
on particular subjects, which can be added to by those people authorised
to take part in the conference. This allows anyone to ask questions of
the user community and receive public answers from it. The growth rate
of a given conferencing facility is a good indication of IBMers'
interest in its topic. The three largest conferences are the IBMPC,
IBMVM, and IBMTEXT conferences, which hold thousands of forums on
matters relating to the PC, VM, and text processing, respectively. These
are all open to any VNET user. append, forum, service machine
... snip ...
somewhat one of the other results, was a researcher was paid to sit in
the back of my office for nine months and take notes on how I
communicated (face-to-face, telephone, etc, they also went with me to
meetings). The also got copies of all my incoming and outgoing email as
well as logs of all instant messages. The material was used in corporate
research report, Stanford Phd thesis (joint between language and
computer AI) as well as some number of papers and books. Misc. past
posts on computer mediated conversation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#cmc
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: computer bootlaces Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 21:12:25 -0400Peter Brooks <peter.h.m.brooks@gmail.com> writes:
Later when my wife was con'ed into going to POK to be in charge of
loosely-coupled architecture (aka mainframe cluster) and did
Peer-Coupled Shared Data architecture ... some past posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#shareddata
she had lots of battles with the SNA organization ... who were trying to force her to use SNA for cluster operation ... then there would be temporary truces where she could use anything she wanted within datacenter walls ... but SNA organization owned everything that crossed the datacenter walls. A combination of the battles with SNA and little uptake of the architecture ... except for IMS hotstandby ... until sysplex; contributed to her not remaining long in the position.
item that discusses many things about the company:
https://www.ecole.org/en/session/49-the-rise-and-fall-of-ibm
https://www.ecole.org/en/session/49-the-rise-and-fall-of-ibm
from above, with regard to FS (major motivation was clone controller
competition):
IBM tried to react by launching a major project called the 'Future
System' (FS) in the early 1970's. The idea was to get so far ahead that
the competition would never be able to keep up, and to have such a high
level of integration that it would be impossible for competitors to
follow a compatible niche strategy. However, the project failed because
the objectives were too ambitious for the available technology. Many of
the ideas that were developed were nevertheless adapted for later
generations. Once IBM had acknowledged this failure, it launched its
'box strategy', which called for competitiveness with all the different
types of compatible sub-systems. But this proved to be difficult because
of IBM's cost structure and its R&D spending, and the strategy only
resulted in a partial narrowing of the price gap between IBM and its
rivals
... snip ...
and
This first quiet warning was taken seriously: 2,500 people were
mobilised for the FS project. Those in charge had the right to choose
people from any IBM units. I was working in Paris when I was picked out
of the blue to be sent to New York. Proof of the faith people had in IBM
is that I never heard of anyone refusing to move, nor regretting
it. However, other quiet warnings were taken less seriously.
... snip ...
there has been some folklore that prime feature of SNA is the tight
integration of VTAM & 3705 (pu5 & pu4) ... a legacy of FS. misc. past
posts mentioning FS
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys
At one point at the height of FS, I was told that the only promotions available in the company was by transferring to a FS group ... I refused ... and continued to periodically ridicule the FS activity.
as undergraduate in the 60s, I did a lot of work on cp67. The system delivered jan68 had 1052 & 2741 terminal support (with automatic terminal identification), ... but the univ. had ascii/tty terminals. I wrote ascii/tty terminal support for cp67 (which was picked up and shipped in the product) ... including extending automatic terminal identification to include ascii/tty. This worked well for leased-lines ... but attempt to have single dial-up phone number for all terminals (hunt group would find first non-busy line) didn't quite work. While the terminal controller allowed dynamically switching terminal-specific line-scanner ... they had taken a short-cut with the box and hardwired the line-speed (1052 & 2741 had same line-speed but tty/ascii was different line-speed).
This problem somewhat motivated the univ. to start a clone controller
effort; reverse engineered mainframe channel interface and built a
channel interface board for Interdata/3. The Interdata/3 was programmed
to simulate the mainframe controller box ... with the addition of doing
dynamic line-speed recognition. Vendor picked up the implementation and
was selling it commercially (Interdata was later bought by perkin/elmer
and the box sold under their brand). Four of us got written up as being
responsible for (some amount of) clone controller business. misc.
past posts mentioning clone controller
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#360pcm
I took another swipe at the controller business in the mid-80s ... part
of presentation that I made at an SNA architecture review board (ARB)
meeting:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#67
comparing a series/1 programmed to emulate 37x5 ... plus a lot of
additional functions ... and series/1 as NCP
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#70
during the presentation, one of the questions was about the SNA group having over a thousand people and how could a couple dozen people implement something that was so much better than what they were doing. Afterwards, the top executive present at the presentation wanted to know who authorized my presentation (he appeared really angry and seemed intent on making sure something like that never happened again).
At the time, we were also working with NSF for what was to become the
NSFNET backbone (tcp/ip is technology basis for the modern internet,
NSFNET backbone was the operational basis for the modern internet and
CIX was the business basis for the modern internet) ... some old email
from the period
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#nsfnet
and about to come up with 3-tier architecture (and start pitching to
corporate executives) ... in period when SNA group was trying to stave
off client/server ... which gots us lots more barbs from the
organization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#3tier
when nsfnet backbone RFP was finally released, internal politics prevented
us bidding. Director of NSF tried to help with letter to the
corporation, copying the CEO ... there were references to things like
what we already had running was at least five years ahead of all bid
submissions ... but that just appeared to aggravate the internal
politics more. misc. past posts mentioning NSFNET
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#nsfnet
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: computer bootlaces Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 09:46:23 -0400Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> writes:
it originated (also) at the science center
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech
possibly the first distributed use was between science center and endicott ... to add virtual 370 support to cp67 ... 370 had some new instructions that weren't available on 360 (requiring simulation) and the virtual memory tables & related instructions were different (so virtual memory simulation for 370 virtual machine had to map from 370 tables into 360/67 tables). This post-dated 360 development in the 60s.
the science center cp67 service was also available to some non-employees, students & various others from various institutions of higher learning in the boston/cambridge area. as a result there were some additional measures to prevent knowledge of unannounced virtual memory support from leaking out.
Standard operation was multiple/recursive virtualization levels
real 360/67 production cp67l system running on real hardware providing virtual 360 production cp67h system running virtual machine providing virtual 370 production cp67i system running 370 virtual machine providing virt370 CMS running in 370 virtual machine
as part of the effort, the standard cp67/cms source maintenance was extended to support multi-level updates. cp67h had the source updates to provide 370 virtual machines. It normally ran in 360 virtual machine (rather than on direct bare hardware) to keep away the prying eyes of non-employees. cp67i had the source updates so that cp67 used 370 hardware formats (rather than 360/67 hardware formats).
cp67i was running on regular basis a year before real 370 engineering processor with virtual memory support was available. In fact, when the engineering was first available ... booting cp67i was the original test (aka "boot" & "booting" presumably derived from boot-strap).
Three people from San Jose physical came to Cambridge for a stay and did the cp67 "sj" changes that added 3330 and 2305 devices support
As real 370s with virtual memory proliferated around the company (before available to customers), cp67i+sj was standard production operating system.
At the great change-over for arpanet (IMPs/host protocol) on 1jan83 to
internet & tcp/ip ... there were approx. 256 hosts (and something like
100 nodes ... IMP "front-end" nodes being differentiated from "back-end"
hosts). The same year, the internal network passed 1000 nodes. Old
email about getting ready for 1000 nodes:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006k.html#email830422
mentions a desk ornament ... picture of mine here
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#oldpicts
this is post with list of corporate locations that added one or more new
nodes during 1983:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006k.html#8
One of the things instrumental in internet passing internal network in
number of nodes was communication group enforcing that PCs and
workstations only be supported with terminal emulation ... while they
were starting to greating swell the internet numbers as nodes. The
communication group had created a stranglehold on mainframe datacenters
trying to preserve the terminal emulation paradigm and blockade
client/server, networking, etc. (even the host network wasn't converted
to SNA until late 80s ... which was a traumatic event). misc. past
posts mentioning terminal emulation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#emulation
In the late 80s, a senior disk engineer got a talk scheduled at the world-wide, annual, internal communication group conference and open the talk with statement that the communication group was going to be responsible for the demise of the disk division (because of the datacenter stranglehold). The disk division was seeing the start of the wave of data fleeing the datacenter to more distributed computing friendly platforms (in their declining disk sales). The disk division had come up with a number of products to address the problem, which the communication group would constantly veto (they had strategic ownership for everything that crossed the datacenter walls ... and they were holding the gates attempting to preserve their terminal emulation install base).
misc. recent posts referencing the demise of the disk division:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#0 I actually miss working at IBM
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#21 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#41 Is email dead? What do you think?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#79 Mainframe technology in 2011 and beyond; who is going to run these Mainframes?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#32 SNA/VTAM Misinformation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#52 IBM100 - Rise of the Internet
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#83 History of APL -- Software Preservation Group
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#88 Would mainframe technology be relevant in the age of cloud computing?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#95 VM IS DEAD
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#11 History of APL -- Software Preservation Group
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#33 At least two decades back, some gurus predicted that mainframes would disappear
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#54 At least two decades back, some gurus predicted that mainframes would disappear
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#85 SV: USS vs USS
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#16 Running z/OS On Your Laptop
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#8 At least two decades back, some gurus predicted that mainframes would disappear in future and it still has not happened
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#47 The IBM would have, could have and should have story
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#35 Having left IBM, seem to be reminded that IBM is not the same IBM I had joined
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#62 Announcement of the disk drive (1956)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#69 Making Z/OS easier - Effectively replacing JCL with Unix like commands
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#0 program coding pads
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#70 New IBM Redbooks residency experience in Poughkeepsie, NY
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: computer bootlaces Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 10:17:35 -0400Peter Brooks <peter.h.m.brooks@gmail.com> writes:
that was used internally at many datacenters. After several internal
released, it morphed into workstation datasave facility "product" and
then later morphed into ADSM ... before being renamed TSM (tivoli
storage manager) ... misc. past posts mentioning backup/archive
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#backup
In the early 90s, in prepartion for spinning off the disk division, it starting logo'ing stuff AdStar ... after the company went into the red and new executives came in ... they decided not to split up the company. However, later when the company decided to unload the disk hardware part ... some amount of disk related software was transferred to remaining business units (i.e. ADSM went to tivoli unit and renamed TSM).
I sponsored John Boyd's breifings at IBM ... misc past posts &
URLs from around the web referencing Boyd
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html
Part of the briefing was about how US corporations were suffering from former WW2 army officers started to climb corporate executive ranks. At entry to WW2, the army was faced with fielding large numbers with little or no training ... and so created a rigid, top-down, command&control structure to leverage scarce skilled/experienced resources. Stategy to prevail was to use massive overwhelming resources and strict top-down command. As former WW2 army officers rose in corporate executive ranks they were starting to emulate their army training ... humongous numbers of people in rigid, hierarchical control infreastructures. More recently this has been used to explain/justify reports that ratio of executive compensation to worker compensation has exploded to 400:1 (after being 20:1 for a long time and 10:1 in most of the rest of the world) ... aka only the executives at the very top know what they are doing ... and all the rest is pure cannon fodder.
misc. past posts mentioning the 400:1 compensation ratio:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#73 Should The CEO Have the Lowest Pay In Senior Management?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008j.html#24 To: Graymouse -- Ireland and the EU, What in the H... is all this about?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008j.html#76 lack of information accuracy
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#71 Cormpany sponsored insurance
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#25 Taxes
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#33 Taxes
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#53 Are family businesses unfair competition?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#93 What do you think are the top characteristics of a good/effective leader in an organization? Do you feel these characteristics are learned or innate to an individual?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#2 Blinkylights
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#58 Traditional Approach Won't Take Businesses Far Places
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008q.html#14 realtors (and GM, too!)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008q.html#17 realtors (and GM, too!)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#61 The vanishing CEO bonus
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#5 Greed - If greed was the cause of the global meltdown then why does the biz community appoint those who so easily succumb to its temptations?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#41 Executive pay: time for a trim?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#44 Executive pay: time for a trim?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#50 Greed Is
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#80 Are reckless risks a natural fallout of "excessive" executive compensation ?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#25 The recently revealed excesses of John Thain, the former CEO of Merrill Lynch, while the firm was receiving $25 Billion in TARP funds makes me sick
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#41 The subject is authoritarian tendencies in corporate management, and how they are related to political culture
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#3 Congress Set to Approve Pay Cap of $500,000
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#73 Most 'leaders' do not 'lead' and the majority of 'managers' do not 'manage'. Why is this?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#2 CEO pay sinks - Wall Street Journal/Hay Group survey results just released
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#44 What TARP means for the future of executive pay
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#37 Young Developers Get Old Mainframers' Jobs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#48 Opinions on the 'Unix Haters' Handbook
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#8 search engine history, was Happy DEC-10 Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#39 Agile Workforce
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#33 The 2010 Census
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#62 Dodd-Frank Act Makes CEO-Worker Pay Gap Subject to Disclosure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#67 Idiotic programming style edicts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#22 60 Minutes News Report:Unemployed for over 99 weeks!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#59 They always think we don't understand
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#66 They always think we don't understand
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#71 They always think we don't understand
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#10 OODA in highly stochastic environments
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#80 Chinese and Indian Entrepreneurs Are Eating America's Lunch
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#53 Productivity And Bubbles
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#13 The Seven Habits of Pointy-Haired Bosses
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#69 Who was the Greatest IBM President and CEO of the last century?
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: 50th anniversary of BASIC, COBOL? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 11:33:28 -0400Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
and ...
Managing The Psychological Bias Against Creativity
http://www.forbes.com/sites/toddessig/2011/09/06/managing-the-psychological-bias-against-creativity/
from above:
But by making such discomfort expectable you just may be able to search
for and adopt potentially useful creative solutions that would have
otherwise been dismissed. Many people say they rely on "instincts," what
"feels right," their "gut." This research does not suggest changing
that.
... snip ...
somewhat related long-winded post in (linkedin) Boyd discussion
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#88 Justifying application of Boyd to a project manager
also open group ... full thread here:
http://lnkd.in/GhT2tJ
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: computer bootlaces Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 11:53:21 -0400Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
related Success of Failure
Washington's Cult of Continuous Failure
http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/09/lynn-wheeler-washingtons-cult-of-continuous-failure/
also archived here:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#17
was original part of thread on facebook, The True Cost of 9/11,
partially archived here:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#8
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: computer bootlaces Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 15:11:44 -0400Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> writes:
one of the two people responsible for pascal, left the company ... did a 3270 terminal controller clone startup, then became VP of MIPS software development ... and then after SGI bought MIPS, became general manager of the SUN business group responsible for JAVA.
in the aftermath of going into the red in the early 90s ... there was transition to off-the-shelf vendor tools ... this involved a deal with a vendor ... to turn over many of the internal tools ... but they had to be ported to other vendor workstations. It turned out that these other pascals had possibly not been used for much other than teaching classes. I had left the company but got a contract to port a 60k pascal statement application and found it tough slogging. It also turns out that a major workstation target had outsourced its pascal to a group twelve timezones away (minimum overnight turn around for everything)
Earlier, although I was official part of research ... first bldg. 28 on
main san jose plant site and then at almaden when the new bldg. was
built, they let me wander around and do other stuff ... including play
disk engineer in bldg. 14&15 ... some past posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#disk
and Los Gatos lab let me have several offices and labs in their bldg. for doing projects (in return i would do stuff for them).
misc. past posts mentioning pascal and vlsi tools:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002q.html#19 Beyond 8+3
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003h.html#52 Question about Unix "heritage"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003o.html#16 When nerds were nerds
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003o.html#21 TSO alternative
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004f.html#42 Infiniband - practicalities for small clusters
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004n.html#30 First single chip 32-bit microprocessor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005o.html#11 ISA-independent programming language
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005r.html#20 Intel strikes back with a parallel x86 design
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006u.html#31 To RISC or not to RISC
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#41 Fast and Safe C Strings: User friendly C macros to Declare and use C Strings
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#61 Fast and Safe C Strings: User friendly C macros to Declare and use C Strings
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#14 Newbie question on table design
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#16 Newbie question on table design
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#54 Newbie question on table design
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#58 Is Parallel Programming Just Too Hard?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#68 CA to IBM TCP Conversion
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#48 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#50 Running REXX program in a batch job
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007u.html#16 Fazing out x86
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#46 Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008b.html#52 China's Godson-2 processor takes center stage
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008j.html#77 CLIs and GUIs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#11 Lack of bit field instructions in x86 instruction set because of ?patents ?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#19 Top 10 Cybersecurity Threats for 2009, will they cause creation of highly-secure Corporate-wide Intranets?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009l.html#36 Old-school programming techniques you probably don't miss
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#11 Microprocessors with Definable MIcrocode
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#74 Happy DEC-10 Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#6 search engine history, was Happy DEC-10 Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#29 search engine history, was Happy DEC-10 Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#11 Crazed idea: SDSF for z/Linux
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#18 Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#54 PL/I vs. Pascal
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#69 Making Z/OS easier - Effectively replacing JCL with Unix like commands
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 15:32:59 -0400blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> writes:
and another recent reference
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#80 Which building at Berkeley?
the tribute website
http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/IPRO/JimGrayTribute/
past posts mentioning above:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#32 A Tribute to Jim Gray: Sometimes Nice Guys Do Finish First
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#36 A Tribute to Jim Gray: Sometimes Nice Guys Do Finish First
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008p.html#27 Father Of Financial Dataprocessing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#78 ATMs by the Numbers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#51 8 ways the American information worker remains a Luddite
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009r.html#4 70 Years of ATM Innovation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#13 Is the ATM still the banking industry's single greatest innovation?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#21 Mainframe Hall of Fame (MHOF)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#85 Hashing for DISTINCT or GROUP BY in SQL
I mentioned recently that when Jim was leaving sjr for tandem, he was
palming some amount of stuff on me:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#9 At least two decades back, some gurus predicted that mainframes would disappear in future and it still has not happened
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#6 segments and sharing, was 68000 assembly language programming
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#25 computer bootlaces
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#28 computer bootlaces
... before we left in the early 90s, we were doing this work on
cluster scale-up (both commercial and numerical intensive) ... some old
email
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#medusa
part of the commercial stuff involved DBMS work ... old reference
to Jan92 meeting in Ellison's office
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#13
Not long later ... two of the (other) people named in the meeting, left oracle and joined a small client/server startup responsible for something called "commerce server". Later we left (in part because the cluster scale-up work got transferred and we were told we couldn't work on anything with more than four processors). We then got brought in to consult with the small client/server startup because they wanted to do payment transactions on the server; the small startup had also invented this technology called "SSL" they wanted to use; the result is now frequently referred to as e-commerce.
some recent posts mentioning the above e-commerce scenario:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#64 SQL Injection Deemed No. 1 Software Flaw
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#27 PDCA vs. OODA
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#59 Why did the OODA-loop tactic grow into a strategy?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#62 "How do you feel about 'gotos'"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#63 Why do defenders keep losing to smaller cyberwarriors?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#64 Fraudulent Google credential found in the wild
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#65 Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked
we had to do audit/walk-thrus of some number of the businesses selling these things called "digital certificates" ... as I mentioned in some of the above references ... I fairly early coined the term comfort certificates ... to try and differentiate between the appearance of security and real security.
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 10:41:38 -0400re:
recent posts mentioning 3830 ACP lock feature for loosely-coupled
(cluster) operation:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#77 program coding pads
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#0 program coding pads
it was more efficient & finer granular over device reserve/release i/o commands. All players would agree on naming convention for locks ... and when one of the processors wanted exclusive access to some resource, it would include the name as part of i/o operation sent to the (shared) 3830 disk controller.
old email discussing the facility
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#email800325
in this post
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#39 American Airlines
The above has some numbers for ACP lock activity compared to System/R
lock activity ... misc. past posts mentioning (original relational/sql)
rdbms
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#systemr
in late 70s, for growing HONE loosely-coupled clusters implementing
single-system image ... w/o any special hardware ... used a special CKD
channel program sequence as step-up from RESERVE/RELEASE ... simulating
the processor compare&swap instruction. misc. past posts mentioning
HONE
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone
special area on disk was reserved for collection of locks. one processor would read the lock record and see if the desired lock was available ... then it would make a copy of the lock record ... indicating it was reserving a special lock. Then a DASD CKD SEARCH-EQUAL for the original record contents chained to write of the record using the new contents (DASD I/O rules were chained I/O didn't allow other operations while active chained request was in progress ... and the write update would only occur if the SEARCH-EQUAL was match). There was possibility that the SEARCH-EQUAL had failed because some other processor jumped in to obtain a different lock that was contained in the same record ... (which would require restarting with read of the current contents of the record ... even though the desired lock wasn't held) ... but lock activity was fairly low (and tended to be held for long periods of time) that wasn't high probabilty. If multiple locks in single record became throughput problem ... it would be possible to go to multiple records with fewer locks per record.
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Scotland, was Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem! Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 11:59:24 -0400Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> writes:
above includes cost estimates going forward (including disability payments and medical treatment for wounded troops)
from year ago, "What Did the Rumsfeld/Gates Pentagon Do with
$1 Trillion"
http://www.cdi.org/program/document.cfm?documentid=4623
note cdi.org has moved to
http://www.pogo.org/straus/
... missing $1T is now
http://www.pogo.org/straus/issues/defense-budget/2010/what-did-the-rumsfeld-gates-pentagon-do-with-1-trillion.html
... past decade there was $2.144T appropriated by congress over the 1999 baseline ... $1.113T was appropriated for the war ... but where did the other trillion go???
above also references that the lack of auditability allows significant fraud and corruption which contributes to lack of adequate equipment for the troops.
similar ... Domestic Roots of Perpetual War
http://chuckspinney.blogspot.com/p/domestic-roots-of-perpetual-war.html
above references Pentagon Labyrinth
http://chuckspinney.blogspot.com/p/pentagon-labyrinth.html
Spinney takes Eisenhower's MIC (military/industry complex) and expands
it to MICC (military/industry/congress complex) ... minor note, Spinney
was one of Boyd's cohorts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html
the Success of Failure culture is similar theme
http://www.govexec.com/management/management-matters/2007/04/the-success-of-failure/24107/
above references periodically touch on motivations related to middle east and oil economy as well as complexity of the operations make it difficult to audit. however, major motivation for complexity claims is frequently to obfuscate fraud and corruption (fraud proportional to complexity).
with regard to complexity ... from Baer's "Sleeping With the Enemy", pg
153/loc2329-11, "Reverse collection is deeply complicated" ... basically
takes Saudi weapon sales off-book and out from under arms legislation
... much of the rest of the chapter is about duplicity of US industry.
https://www.amazon.com/Sleeping-Devil-Washington-Saudi-ebook/dp/B000FBFO64
misc. recent posts mentioning pentagon labyrinth
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#83 End of an era
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#18 End of an era
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#33 The real cost of outsourcing (and offshoring)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#65 End of an era
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#28 US military spending has increased 81% since 2001
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#43 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#42 Senator urges DoD: Do better job defending F-35
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#49 50th anniversary of BASIC, COBOL?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#88 Justifying application of Boyd to a project manager
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#0 Justifying application of Boyd to a project manager
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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 09 Sep, 2011 Subject: The Next Convergence: The Future of Economic Growth in a Multispeed World Blog: Google+The Next Convergence: The Future of Economic Growth in a Multispeed World
Spence was on TV yesterday pushing this book ... instant gratification download to kindle. Book repeatedly mentions investment requires putting off using the money for immediate things. The lack of investment dates back decades and shows up in things like decaying infrastructure. An example is call for 100% unearned profit tax on the auto industry in the early 80s. The import quotas was to give auto industry excess profits to invest in totally remaking themselves ... instead they used the profits for bonuses, salaries, dividends and continued business as usual for several more decades.
misc. past posts mentioning 100% unearned profit tax:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#41 Reason Japanese cars are assembled in the US (was Re: American bigotry)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#43 Reason Japanese cars are assembled in the US (was Re: American bigotry)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001d.html#43 Economic Factors on Automation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004b.html#52 The SOB that helped IT jobs move to India is dead!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004h.html#22 Vintage computers are better than modern crap !
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005s.html#2 Internet today -- what's left for hobbiests
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006.html#23 auto industry
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#14 The Pankian Metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#17 The Pankian Metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#20 The Pankian Metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006m.html#49 The Pankian Metaphor (redux)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#33 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#72 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#88 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#11 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#24 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#28 As Expected, Ford Falls From 2nd Place in U.S. Sales
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#39 competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#84 Toyota Sales for 2007 May Surpass GM
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008p.html#77 Tell me why the taxpayer should be saving GM and Chrysler (and Ford) managers & shareholders at this stage of the game?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008q.html#10 realtors (and GM, too!)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008q.html#22 Is Pride going to decimate the auto Industry?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#63 Have you told your Congressman how to VOTE on the auto bailout?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#18 What next? from where would the Banks be hit?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#20 Five great technological revolutions
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#57 Garbage in, garbage out trampled by Moore's law
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#20 What is the real basis for business mess we are facing today?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#2 China-US Insights on the Future of the Auto Industry
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#75 Favourite computer history books?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#22 60 Minutes News Report:Unemployed for over 99 weeks!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#17 What banking is. (Essential for predicting the end of finance as we know it.)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#23 They always think we don't understand
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#21 End of an era
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#34 Boyd's Reading List Revisited
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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 09 Sep, 2011 Subject: The Next Convergence: The Future of Economic Growth in a Multispeed World Blog: Google+re:
Spence also makes point about developing/3rd-world countries moving from labor-wage sensitive to advanced/developed country knowledge-based work (requiring lots of investment in productive educational infrastructure). Report after the US 1990 census on decaying education infrastructure (that has continued to decline) was that half of 18yr olds were functionally illiterate. Recent news has been states continue to postpone requiring 7th grade math proficiency tests for high-school graduation. Note that after fiscal responsibility act expired late 2002, and congress going budget fiscal irresponsible crazy in 2003 ... comptroller general would include comments in speeches about nobody in congress capable of middle school arithmetic.
misc. past posts mentioning functionally illiterate report:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002k.html#45 How will current AI/robot stories play when AIs are real?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#28 Offshore IT
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#45 Offshore IT
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#55 Offshore IT
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003p.html#33 [IBM-MAIN] NY Times editorial on white collar jobs going
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004b.html#42 The SOB that helped IT jobs move to India is dead!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004d.html#18 The SOB that helped IT jobs move to India is dead!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004h.html#18 Low Bar for High School Students Threatens Tech Sector
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005e.html#48 Mozilla v Firefox
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005g.html#43 Academic priorities
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#20 The Pankian Metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006l.html#63 DEC's Hudson fab
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#7 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#24 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#79 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#31 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#51 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#80 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#85 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#10 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#30 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#34 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#42 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#68 Poll: oldest computer thing you still use
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#21 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#22 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#31 EZPass: Yes, Big Brother IS Watching You!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007v.html#29 folklore indeed
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#39 competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#5 Republican accomplishments and Hoover
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008q.html#55 Can outsourcing be stopped?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#20 Five great technological revolutions
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009s.html#43 Larrabee delayed: anyone know what's happening?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010.html#38 Happy DEC-10 Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#66 They always think we don't understand
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#80 Chinese and Indian Entrepreneurs Are Eating America's Lunch
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#48 50th anniversary of BASIC, COBOL?
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: movie "Airport" on cable Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 17:15:11 -0400Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.indra.com.invalid> writes:
1969, while still undergraduate ... i got talked into spending summer at boeing helping set up BCS (consolidating most of boeing dataprocessing in an independent business unit) ... something like first couple dozen or so BCS "employees". even tho it was summer job ... they brought me on as mid-level "permanent" employee. Previous spring they also talked me in into giving a 40hr computer class (during spring break) to the BCS technical staff that were onboard at the time.
that summer, 747 (serial #3) was doing FAA certification flights over seattle. I remember being given the standard airline tour of the mockup ... one of the things claimed was that 747 dual-aisle carried so many passengers, that 747 would always be serviced by minimum of two jetways. One of the 747 engineers was renting their basement apartment ... so got some number of stories ... including some sabatoge incidents that summer involving 747.
Part of the cockpit being elavated was to allow freight nose door to
compete in C5 competition. some recent comments were that various people
in Lockheed claimed that Boeing was the "real" winner of the C5
competition (having "lost" to Lockheed)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-5_Galaxy
renton datacenter (which I thot at the time, possibly was largest in the world) was being replicated up in Everett 747 plant ... there was disaster scenario with Mt. Rainier warming up and resulting mud-slide could possibly take out Renton datacenter. Some claim was that the loss of the Renton datacenter for a week would cost the company more than cost of the Renton datacenter.
the whole summer of 1969, there were constant pieces of 360/65s systems in the halls around the renton datacenter machine room ... pieces constantly arriving, faster than they could be instsalled on the machine room floor. Claim was that Renton datacenter had several hundred million in comuting equipment.
Boeing employees and IBM branch office people told story that on the day that 360 computers were announced, Boeing walked into the salesman's office and placed a very larger 360 order (knowing more about the machines, than the salesman). Supposedly the salesman's commission on that order was larger than TJWjr's compensation that year ... and prompted the IBM corporate switch-over from straight commission to quota. The start of next year, Boeing placed an additional large order, resulting in the salesman exceeding the year's quota in the first couple weeks. Apparently the salesman's quota was then "adjusted" ... resulting in the salesman resigning and starting their own computer services corporation.
misc. past posts mentioning BCS:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#32 Roads as Runways Was: Re: BA Solve
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#130 early hardware
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#66 360 Architecture, Multics, ... was (Re: X86 ultimate CISC? No.)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001b.html#8 "HAL's Legacy and the Vision of 2001: A Space Odyssey"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001b.html#9 "HAL's Legacy and the Vision of 2001: A Space Odyssey"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001b.html#23 Linux IA-64 interrupts [was Re: Itanium benchmarks ...]
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001b.html#50 IBM 705 computer manual
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001g.html#56 YKYBHTLW....
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001l.html#32 mainframe question
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#55 TSS/360
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002b.html#44 PDP-10 Archive migration plan
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002f.html#30 Computers in Science Fiction
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002j.html#22 Computer Terminal Design Over the Years
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002j.html#43 Killer Hard Drives - Shrapnel?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002l.html#64 10 choices that were critical to the Net's success
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002n.html#71 bps loader, was PLX
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002n.html#72 bps loader, was PLX
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002o.html#30 Computer History Exhibition, Grenoble France
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002p.html#56 cost of crossing kernel/user boundary
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002p.html#64 cost of crossing kernel/user boundary
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003l.html#34 Thoughts on Utility Computing?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003l.html#37 Thoughts on Utility Computing?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003m.html#32 SR 15,15 was: IEFBR14 Problems
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004.html#53 Mainframe not a good architecture for interactive workloads
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004d.html#55 If there had been no MS-DOS
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004f.html#46 Finites State Machine (OT?)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004o.html#58 Integer types for 128-bit addressing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005e.html#8 [Lit.] Buffer overruns
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005e.html#19 Device and channel
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005f.html#10 Where should the type information be: in tags and descriptors
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005s.html#47 Gartner: Stop Outsourcing Now
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006.html#40 All Good Things
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006.html#43 Sprint backs out of IBM outsourcing deal
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006k.html#29 PDP-1
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006k.html#30 PDP-1
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#11 Not Your Dad's Mainframe: Little Iron
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006o.html#13 The SEL 840 computer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006q.html#44 The not-so-little shop of 747s
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006u.html#49 Where can you get a Minor in Mainframe?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006u.html#50 Where can you get a Minor in Mainframe?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007f.html#44 Is computer history taught now?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007f.html#54 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007f.html#74 The interactive experience on yesterday's Unix?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#19 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#60 Scholars needed to build a computer history bibliography
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007u.html#26 T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007u.html#36 What do YOU call the # sign?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008b.html#36 windows time service
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008c.html#71 Toyota Sales for 2007 May Surpass GM
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008d.html#72 Price of CPU seconds
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#64 Crippleware: hardware examples
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#12 why stopped?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#83 F111 related discussion x-over from Facebook
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#13 Four decades of a flying giant
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#15 System/360 Announcement (7Apr64)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#5 mainframe replacement (Z/Journal Does it Again)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#2 The computer did it
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#3 The computer did it
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009k.html#41 Disksize history question
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009n.html#15 Mainframe Hall of Fame: Three New Members Added
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#37 Young Developers Get Old Mainframers' Jobs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#33 Survey Revives Depate Over Mainframe's Future
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009r.html#49 "Portable" data centers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#61 Source code for s/360 [PUBLIC]
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#89 Notes on two presentations by Gordon Bell ca. 1998
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#90 Notes on two presentations by Gordon Bell ca. 1998
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#29 search engine history, was Happy DEC-10 Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#76 Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#0 LPARs: More or Less?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#75 Is Security a Curse for the Cloud Computing Industry?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#54 Favourite computer history books?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#66 Global CIO: Global Banks Form Consortium To Counter HP, IBM, & Oracle
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#18 taking down the machine - z9 series
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#47 C-I-C-S vs KICKS
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#50 C-I-C-S vs KICKS
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#51 Mainframe Hacking -- Fact or Fiction
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#61 Mainframe Slang terms
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#59 z196 sysplex question
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#26 Global Sourcing with Cloud Computing and Virtualization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#65 They always think we don't understand
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#59 Boeing Plant 2 ... End of an Era
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#73 Speed of Old Hard Disks - adcons
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#7 Mainframe upgrade done with wire cutters?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#66 Boeing Plant 2 ... End of an Era
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#54 Downloading PoOps?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#61 Do you remember back to June 23, 1969 when IBM unbundled
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: movie "Airport" on cable Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 22:39:12 -0400re:
recent boeing 787 posts:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009r.html#43 Boeings New Dreamliner Ready For Maiden Voyage
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009r.html#44 Boeings New Dreamliner Ready For Maiden Voyage
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009r.html#45 Boeings New Dreamliner Ready For Maiden Voyage
Boeings New Dreamliner Ready For Maiden Voyage
http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology/1799588/boeings_new_dreamliner_ready_for_maiden_voyage/index.html
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787_Dreamliner
but there were various problems
http://787flighttest.com/
another
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#59 Boeing Plant 2 ... End of an Era
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#66 Boeing Plant 2 ... End of an Era
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#69 Boeing Plant 2 ... End of an Era
End of an Era
http://www.rbogash.com/Plant%202/2Plant2.html
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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 10 Sep, 2011 Subject: Kabuki Theater 1603-1629 Blog: Google+re:
There is some about the Federal Reserve bailing too-big-to-fail here; Federal Reserve has been lending trillions in free money to too-big-to-fail, who are buying treasuries and booking the interest as profits. federal reserve could have been buying treasuries at zero percent directly ... but that would have eliminated the profits for too-big-to-fail ... there is disconnect between Federal reserve printing all the free money and not using it to directly underwrite free federal borrowing.
TV business news interview with somebody just now, that said he couldn't figure out why the stock market has gone up at all, for three and half years they've refused to address the fundamental structural problems and for three and half years the US economy has been the "emperor's new clothes" in the room
TV business news just had segment on regional banks (never played in securitized toxic CDOs like the too-big-to-fail). There has been periodic industry publication comparing avg of major regional banks against the avg of national banks for thousands of measures sliced and diced all sorts of ways. Net was regional are slightly more profitable&efficient than national ... invalidating major argument for too-big-to-fail (which seems primarily to be top executive compensation proportional to size).
TV business news just now had financial sector expert talking about can any human comprehend the operation of these too-big-to-fail institutions ... but I think he was more playing apologetic for their executives making mistakes ... as opposed institutions of that size aren't practical.
Steele mentions "theater" ... but in much more forceful way
http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/09/cheery-waves-obama-feared-coup-in-2008-if-prosecutions-of-bush-team-cia-nsa-went-forward/
more Kabuki theater 1603-1629:
Goodbye to All That: Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult
http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779
GOP Defector Spills the Beans
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/05/congressional-staffer-mike-lofgren-turns-on-his-fellow-republicans.html
middle of last decade there was comment that it use to be special interests could buy congressmen, but with the corruption uptic the first years of the century, enormous amounts of money now only rents congressmen for short periods. the hostility & conflict themes in this Kabuki theater helps keep the money flowing ... also acts as distraction for the public, akin to Roman games.
misc. past posts mentioning Kabuki Theater
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#74 Why is everyone talking about AIG bonuses of millions and keeping their mouth shut on billions sent to foreign banks?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#4 Geithner, Bernanke have little in arsenal to fight new crisis
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#18 What Uncle Warren doesn't mention
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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 10 Sep, 2011 Subject: The Next Convergence: The Future of Economic Growth in a Multispeed World Blog: Google+re:
loc.2372-74:
That misinterpretation of risk led to rising debt levels that would
have been reasonable had the risks been accurately perceived. The
rising debt levels increased the systemic risk and caused the
correlations among asset classes to rise. It was a perfect storm.
... snip ...
this skips the moral hazard issue. Most of moral hazard has been about too-big-to-fail taking high rewards and laying off the risk on the country. It skips the moral hazard of individuals seeing enormous personal rewards and laying off the risk on their institutions (stories of business people directing risk managers to fiddle the inputs to the risk models until they came up with the desired results, aka GIGO).
2008 wharton business school article had estimate that something like 1000 were responsible for 80% of the financial mess and it would go a long way to correcting the situation if the gov. could figure out something to eliminate those 1000.
the individual hotspots of greed and corruption had been kept damped down by regulation®ulators ... which individuals saw as blocking their way to enormous rewards. special interests were able to have much of those controls removed &/or nullified ... allowing the individual hotspots to combine together into firestorm.
Gov. has bailed out much of wallstreet ... leaving "mainstreet" to bear most of the brunt of the firestorm.
misc. past posts mentioning wharton school article:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#32 independent appraisers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#36 Lehman sees banks, others writing down $400 bln
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#44 Fixing finance
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#52 IBM CEO's remuneration last year ?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#66 independent appraisers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#89 Credit Crisis Timeline
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#4 A Merit based system of reward -Does anybody (or any executive) really want to be judged on merit?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#67 Do you have other examples of how people evade taking resp. for risk
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#73 CROOKS and NANNIES: what would Boyd do?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#77 CROOKS and NANNIES: what would Boyd do?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#79 The Credit Crunch: Why it happened?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#85 Banks' Demise: Why have the Governments hired the foxes to mend the chicken runs?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#1 Are Both The U.S. & UK on the brink of debt disaster?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#11 Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#18 Barbless
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#25 The recently revealed excesses of John Thain, the former CEO of Merrill Lynch, while the firm was receiving $25 Billion in TARP funds makes me sick
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#36 A great article was posted in another BI group: "To H*** with Business Intelligence: 40 Percent of Execs Trust Gut"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#49 US disaster, debts and bad financial management
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#53 Credit & Risk Management ... go Simple ?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#54 In your opinion, which facts caused the global crise situation?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#11 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#28 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#38 People to Blame for the Financial Crisis
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#39 'WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GLOBAL MELTDOWN'
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#3 Congress Set to Approve Pay Cap of $500,000
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#35 Architectural Diversity
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#20 What is the real basis for business mess we are facing today?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#27 US banking Changes- TARP Proposl
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#35 US banking Changes- TARP Proposl
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#38 On whom or what would you place the blame for the sub-prime crisis?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#32 Happy DEC-10 Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#74 LPARs: More or Less?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#54 The 2010 Census
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#22 In the News: SEC storms the 'Castle'
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#34 Idiotic programming style edicts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#49 "Fraud & Stupidity Look a Lot Alike"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#40 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#65 the Federal Reserve, was Re: Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#38 Idiotic programming style edicts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#55 The 10 Highest-Paid CEOs Who Laid Off The Most Employees
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#40 On Protectionism
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#74 The first personal computer (PC)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#20 Study shows powerful corporations really do control the world's finances
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: computer bootlaces Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:43:20 -0400Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
trivia ... the executive that handled shutdown of time/life operation,
then was given the job of shutting down vm370 development in burlington
mall ... supposedly part of killing off vm370 product ... recent
references
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#9 Was there ever a DOS JCL reference like the Brown book?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#12 Was there ever a DOS JCL reference like the Brown book?
while Endicott managed to save the vm370 product missions ... there were
still some in POK that believed that it was only for the low&mid range
machines ... that MVS was going to be the only thing running on POK
high-end machines ... some old email
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#email790216
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#email790220
in this post
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#18 IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO Levels
HONE was virtual machine based, online interactive system providing
world-wide sales&marketing support ... misc. past posts mentioning
HONE
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone
HONE had started off after the 23Jun69 unbundling announcement
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#unbundle
... several virtual machine cp67 datacenters ... to provide new/young SEs (customer technical support) "hands-on" experience (substitute for apprentice/journeyman role that they played in large SE groups at customer sites) running operating systems in virtual machines remotely from branch office. It fairly quickly morphed into also providing large number (mostly APL-based) applications for sales&marketing support (and the SE "hands-on" use died off).
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: i432 on Bitsavers? Newsgroups: comp.arch Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 07:51:31 -0400vandys writes:
references even older a.f.c. post
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#48 Famous Machines and Software that didn't
mentions having three i432 books in boxes ... and reproduced one of the intros ... which referenced s/38
somewhat concurrent with i432, TYMSHARE did capability-based operating
system "gnosis" for ibm mainframe. When M/D bought TYMSHARE in the
mid-80s, gnosis was spun off as keykos (disclaimer: I was brought in to
do gnosis audit as part of the spinoff).
http://cap-lore.com/CapTheory/upenn/
Some more recent capability-based claim to trace back to gnosis;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CapROS
some recent mention of gnosis
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#31 Colossal Cave Adventure in PL/I
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#2 Other early NSFNET backbone
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#71 Multiple Virtual Memory
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#35 junking CKD; was "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 12 Sep, 2011 Subject: What is IBM culture? Blog: Greater IBMthese a.f.c. posts were duplicated in (linkedin) Greater IBM discussion
followup thread in a.f.c. newsgroup mentioning that 23jun69 unbundling
announcement eliminated the normal training for new SEs (branch office
customer technical support) ... traditionally kind of
apprentice/journeyman as part of large team on customer site
(unbundling was supposed to charge for all time SE spent at customer,
couldn't justify charging for "apprentice") ... which gave rise to
HONE systems ... originally virtual-machine based cp67 systems for
branch office SEs to logon from branch offices and keep up their
operating system skills in virtual machine
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#41
past posts mentioning unbundling
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#unbundle
past posts mentioning HONE
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone
earlier post in thread mentioning references to a motivation for the
"Future System" project in the early 70s was "clone controllers":
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#26
past posts mentioning Future System
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys
recent reference that "Future System" (and killing off "competitive"
370 development) gave "clone processors" market foothold
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#19
above also references that then a lot of executives felt that clone processor vendors wouldn't be able to crack the "true blue", commercial, high-end IBM market because those vendors didn't have the SE staffs to devote a dozen or more SEs at each customer (that was required for the care & feeding of large MVS systems). It also references that the enormous amount of resources to maintain MVS systems was barrier to entry for MVS into the wave of distributed 43xx systems (customers putting hundreds of 43xx systems out into every departmental work area) ... as cost of computing was coming down drastically, there wasn't a corresponding drop in support costs (at least for MVS) ... which then started to become dominating factor.
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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 12 Sep, 2011 Subject: Kabuki Theater 1603-1629 Blog: Google+re:
Spence's "The Future of Economic Growth in a Multispeed World"
https://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/B004EPYWCO
claims in resource rich countries that there is epidemic of leaders
pillaging the economy & resources ... making it difficult for
developing resource rich countries to transition to stable
democracies. loc1966-67:
The Botswana case illustrates that the natural resource "curse,"
though pervasive, is not inevitable, and that leadership matters at
crucial points.
... snip ...
other recent reference to Spence's book
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#35 The Next Convergence: The Future of Economic Growth in a Multispeed World
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#36 The Next Convergence: The Future of Economic Growth in a Multispeed World
and similar from Diamond's: Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human
Societies
https://www.amazon.com/Guns-Germs-Steel-Societies-ebook/dp/B000VDUWMC
loc4781-82;
At worst, they function unabashedly as kleptocracies, transferring net
wealth from commoners to upper classes.
... snip ...
other recent references to Guns, Germs, and Steel:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#59 Why did the OODA-loop tactic grow into a strategy?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#61 Why did the OODA-loop tactic grow into a strategy?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#1 Lessons Learned
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#88 Justifying application of Boyd to a project manager
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: segments and sharing, was 68000 assembly language programming Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers, alt.os.assembly, alt.os.development Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:21:20 -0400Morten Reistad <first@last.name> writes:
mainframe 370/xa sort of backed into that.
os/360 transition from real-storage 360 to 370 with virtual memory started with single 16mbyte virtual memory ... with the real storage metaphor that had kernel+applications laid out in same (smaller) real storage address space now in a larger/16mbyte virtual address space. This was initially accomplished with single hardware table, little bit of code hacked in to handle page faults and paging operations ... and "CCWTRANS" borrowed from virtual machine cp67.
In virtual machine cp67 ... each virtual machine had its own virtual address space ... I/O channel programs required real addresses. CCWTRANS made copies of the virtual machine I/O channel programs ... replacing the virtual machine addresses with real storage addresses. OS/360 conventions had applications (and/or library routines invoked by applications) building I/O channel programs in the application space before invoking the kernel. OS/360 transition to 370 virtual memory then was faced with the same problem with I/O channel programs built with virtual addresses ... needed to be cloned with real addresses substituted.
The 2nd phase of OS/360 transition to virtual memory changed so that every application got its own 16mbyte virtual address space (would look almost like original os/360 if there was a single application running on the whole machine) ... with (same) 8mbyte kernel image appearing in every application address space (form of sharing). The problem was that OS/360 consisted of some number of "sub-systems" that resided outside the kernel ... and OS/360 heavily used pointer-passing API ... which worked as long as everything was in the same address space. With this latest transitiion, besides each application getting their own virtual address space ... so did every "sub-systems". To preserve the pointer-passing API ... and additional area called the common segment was defined in every virtual address space. Application would obtain exclusive use of some common segment area, copy in the API parameters and make a kernel call. The kernel call would inventually switch to the designated subsystems ... which would pickup the indicated parameters from the "common segment".
Problem was that common segment size tended to be proportional to the number of sub-systems and concurrent applications ... as systems got larger, the common segment size would need to be 4-5mbytes (and for some systems it was in danger of growing to 6mbytes). A 16mbyte virtual address space with 8mbyte kernel image and a 6mbyte common segment image ... only left 2mbytes for actual application use.
to solve this problem they came up with access registers (hardware registers that pointed to multiple different virtual address spaces) and "program call" (combination of operating system hardware table and instruction that operated somewhat like subroutine call ... but would use information from the operating system hardware table to swap into some subsystem address space ... avoiding overhead of kernel call).
a subset of this was retrofitted to 3033 late in 370 lifetime called "dual-address" space. dual-address space added secondary address space for semi-privileged subsystem operation. application would make kernel call ... which would swap hardware address space pointers and enter subsystem execution. The subsystem now had capability to access storage in the calling application virtual address sapce.
current description of address space types:
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/dz9zr003/3.2.1?SHELF=&DT=20040504121320&CASE=
initial introduction of multiple address space operation was with kernel calls to perform all the address space swapping. later introduction of program call/return ... and then later program transfer ... was done with almost as little overhead as library call (residing in application address space). with intro of program call ... it started being possible to move various library routines into separate address space with little overhead (for switching address spaces).
multiple address space operation then simulates some of the characteristics of ring security operation ... but using arbitrary address spaces (as opposed to rings).
long-winded description of program call operation
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/dz9zr003/5.5?DT=20040504121320
program call instruction
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/dz9zr003/10.34?DT=20040504121320
program return instruction
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/dz9zr003/10.35?DT=20040504121320
later program transfer was added
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/dz9zr003/10.37?DT=20040504121320
some recent posts mentioning common segment &/or dual-address space
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#79 Speed of Old Hard Disks - adcons
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#20 A brief history of CMS/XA, part 1
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#72 Multiple Virtual Memory
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#17 New job for mainframes: Cloud platform
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#39 At least two decades back, some gurus predicted that mainframes would disappear in future and it still has not happened
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#11 History of byte addressing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#61 Joint Design of Instruction Set and Language
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#11 Was there ever a DOS JCL reference like the Brown book?
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: computer bootlaces Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers, alt.usage.english Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:59:22 -0400Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> writes:
Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies www.amazon.com/Guns-Germs-Steel-Societies-ebook/dp/B000VDUWMC/
and
Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed
https://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Societies-Succeed-Revised-ebook/dp/B004H0M8EA
To hurry things, there were instances of Europeans gathering blankets from small pox and other disease victims for distribution to native Indians.
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Does outsourcing cause data loss? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:27:18 -0400hancock4 writes:
some of the participants were heavily involved in privacy issues and had done detailed public privacy surveys and found the #1 issue was "identity theft" ... namely of the form involving account fraud (fraudulent financial transactions) frequently from account numbers gained from various breaches.
The issue was that breaches were a threat to the account owners (fraudulent transactions against their accounts) and not against the institutions where the breaches occurred (who therefor had nothing at risk in the breaches). Since little was being done (frequently not even getting publicity) ... there was some hope that the publicity from the breach notifications might motivation institutions to take corrective action (as well as the victims might take countermeasure).
In the decade or so since the cal. state legislation, several other states have passed similar bills. Numerous federal data breach notification bills have also been introduced ("federal" pre-emption of state legislation) about evenly divided between those that were effectively similar to the original cal. state legislation and those that would have eliminated most notification requirement. The most recent federal bill would have only required notification if there was additional information in addition to account numbers (like SS# ... which is nearly never the case in the financial transaction database breaches that have resulted in the majority of fraudulent financial transactions).
we had been brought into small client/server startup that wanted to do payment transactions on their server, the startup had also invented this technology called "SSL" and the result is now frequently referred to as "electronic commerce". somewhat as a result in the mid-90s we were asked to participate in the x9a10 financial standard working group ... which had been given the requirement to preserve the integrity of the financial industry for ALL retail payments. As part of the effort, there was vulnerability and threat studies of various kinds of retail payments. We came up with a number of metaphors for the existing payment environment.
naked transaction metaphor ... going around w/o any protection in an
extremely hostile environment ... resulting in an enormous target rich
environment for attackers. ... some past refs:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#payments
dual-use metaphor ... account numbers are used in dozens of business
processes at millions of locations around the world ... they are also
frequently sufficient for performing fraudulent transactions ... so
we've claimed that even if the planet was buried under miles of
information hiding encryption, it still wouldn't stop leakage.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#harvest
security proportional to risk the account databases (frequent target of breaches) where the value of the information for merchants is basically profit margin on transaction (possibly a couple dollars/account-transaction) and the value of the information for transaction processors is a few cents/transactions. the value of the information to attackers/crooks is the account balance/credit-limit ... frequently at least a couple hundred dollars. As a result, attackers may be able to outspend the defenders by factor of two orders of magnitude (100 times or possibly three orders of magnitude in the case of transaction processors).
x9a10 financial standard working group produced the x9.59 financial
standard ... some references
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/x959.html#x959
X9.59 didn't do anything to address data breaches ... but it eliminated the ability for crooks to use account numbers for fraudulent financial transactions (aka it didn't eliminate data breaches ... it just eliminated the financial motivation for crooks to perform the data breaches ... and the fraudulent financial transaction risk to public that came as result from data breach).
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Does outsourcing cause data loss? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:49:49 -0400Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
as part of the work on "electronic commerce" ... we needed to do
walk-through/audits of these new businesses called certification
authorities that were selling SSL domain name digital certificates.
Not long after, i coined the term comfort certificates to try and
differentiate between the feeling of security and real security.
misc. past posts mentioning "SSL" digital certificates
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subpubkey.html#sslcert
some recent posts mentioning comfort certificates
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#14 How is SSL hopelessly broken? Let us count the ways
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#25 Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#24 Fight Fraud with Device ID
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#63 Why do defenders keep losing to smaller cyberwarriors?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#64 Fraudulent Google credential found in the wild
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#65 Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked
some recent news URLs
Apple strikes stolen SSL certificates from OS X
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9219892/Apple_strikes_stolen_SSL_certificates_from_OS_X
Mac OS X update blocks stolen SSL certificates Security
http://www.infoworld.com/d/security/mac-os-x-update-blocks-stolen-ssl-certificates-172410
Apple patches OS X for DigiNotar threat - patches, security, Mac OS,
operating systems, software, Apple
http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/400385/apple_patches_os_x_diginotar_threat/
Mozilla Give SSL Certificate Authorities 1 Week to Prove Security
http://www.internetnews.com/security/mozilla-give-ssl-certificate-authorities-1-week-to-prove-security.html
Mozilla pressures CAs to audit their own security
http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/155798/169/
SSL Certificate Authority Recall Grows
http://www.internetnews.com/security/ssl-certificate-authority-recall-grows.html
Moxie Marlinspike's Solution To the SSL CA Problem
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/09/08/1454221/Moxie-Marlinspikes-Solution-To-the-SSL-CA-Problem
DigiNotar hacker threatens to expand spy attacks using stolen
certificates
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/101111-elgamal-251806.html
DigiNotar hacker threatens to expand spy attacks using stolen
certificates
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9219863/DigiNotar_hacker_threatens_to_expand_spy_attacks_using_stolen_certificates
Lessons from the DigiNotar certificate theft
http://blogs.computerworld.com/18921/lessons_from_the_diginotar_certificate_theft
Comodo CEO accuses nation state of sponsoring SSL certificate attacks
http://news.techworld.com/security/3301836/comodo-ceo-accuses-nation-state-of-sponsoring-ssl-certificate-attacks/
GlobalSign Suspends Issuance of SSL Certificates
http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/09/07/1518214/GlobalSign-Suspends-Issuance-of-SSL-Certificates
Web security certificate breach widens
http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2011/09/08/247833/Web-security-certificate-breach-widens.htm
GlobalSign Stops Issuing Authentication Certificates For Investigation
http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology/2608538/globalsign-stops-issuing-authentication-certificates-for-investigation/index.html
GlobalSign Stops Issuing Security Certificates Pending Probe
http://news.yahoo.com/globalsign-stops-issuing-security-certificates-pending-probe-202157751.html
Dutch government root certificate banned in Chrome, Firefox and IE
http://news.yahoo.com/dutch-government-root-certificate-banned-chrome-firefox-ie-035320092.html
GlobalSign Stops Issuing Digital Certificates After Hack
http://www.datamation.com/news/globalsign-stops-issuing-digital-certificates-after-hack.html
CIA, MI6, Mossad issued false digital certificates via DigiNotar
http://www.fiercecio.com/story/cia-mi6-mossad-issued-false-digital-certificates-diginotar/2011-09-07
DigiNotar hacker says he stole huge GlobalSign cache
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/07/diginotar_hacker_proof/
Dutch government struggles to deal with DigiNotar hack
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/090811-diginotar-hacker-threatens-to-expand-250642.html
Dutch Government Struggles to Deal With DigiNotar Hack
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/239639/dutch_government_struggles_to_deal_with_diginotar_hack.html
Dutch government struggles with DigiNotar hack
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9219814/Dutch_government_struggles_with_DigiNotar_hack
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Does outsourcing cause data loss? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:45:15 -0400greymaus <greymausg@mail.com> writes:
re:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#47 Does outsourcing cause data loss?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#48 Does outsourcing cause data loss?
a major fraction of interchange fees that merchants pay on electronic payments is prorated based on the degree of fraud for the type of transaction ... with possibly an order of magnitude fee spread between lower & highest fraud. large US financial institutions in the US can have approx. 50% of their bottom line coming from these fees. Improvements in anti-fraud for electronic payments could have significant impact on their bottom line. The other downside for these institutions is that the crooks would shift from the current low-hanging fruit (electronic payments) ... where financial institutions basically make profit off fraud in their charges to merchant ... to other kinds of fraudulent financial activity where merchants aren't involved and the financial institutions would be solely liable for the fraud.
One of the next low-hanging (fraud) fruit (if major improvement is made in electronic payment transactions) is opening new accounts (as opposed to fraudulent transactions against existing accounts) where financial institutions are also subject to "know your customer" gov. mandates (including those involved in money laudering).
In the current fraudulent financial transactions involving information gained from data breaches ... one of the criminal characteristics is that the fraudulent financial transactions are usually done as far away from the point of data breach as possible (if it is a merchant data breach, majority of fraudulent financial transactions being performed as far away from that data breach as possible). A countermeasure to data breaches is turning off all the affected accounts ... so crooks want the compromised accounts to be active for as long as possible ... which also requires that the breach point is obfuscated. The net is merchants "paying" for the fraudulent transactions tend to be totally different than the institutions involved in the actual data breach (at least before the various data breach legislation).
Even after the data breach legislation, the financial institutions have still been able to manipulate interchange fees ... so that they are more than compensated for any financial losses (in fact, making significant profit). This "profit from fraud" scenario is possibly one of the reasons that fraud might have been seen as a public relations issue (as opposed to a security issue).
past references to Y2K remediation being let to lowest bidder.:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#41 60 Minutes News Report:Unemployed for over 99 weeks!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#39 TCM's Moguls documentary series
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#44 Programmer Charged with thieft (maybe off topic)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#69 No command, and control
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#29 Looking for a real Fortran-66 compatible PC compiler (CP/M or DOSor Windows
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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 13 Sep, 2011 Subject: Bubble? What Bubble? Blog: FacebookBubble? What Bubble?
I was in silicon valley in the late 90s and being told about investment bankers running "IPO mills" ... formula for investing in startups and then hyping up until the IPO. It was even desirable for the startup to fail after the IPO ... since it left the market open for the next round of IPOs (startups succeeding after their IPOs actually had financial downside for their formula).
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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 13 Sep, 2011 Subject: The Truth About the "Robber Barons" Blog: FacebookI remember getting (& reading) the "Robber Barons" from the school library shortly after it was published. There is recent book specifically about railroad industry that covers the train part ... some comment that the "barons" found that they could even make profit from liquidating failed companies (on the backend ... besides fraudulent share sales on the frontend and other gimmicks)
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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 13 Sep, 2011 Subject: An elusive command philosophy and a different command culture Blog: FacebookAn elusive command philosophy and a different command culture
from above:
So why the heck did the Germans lose the war if they had such a
revolutionary command culture? As the name denotes, Auftragstaktik is
a tactical and at most an operational concept, it has no advantage on
the strategic level.
... snip ...
Boyd would talk about this in his briefings when he referred to Guderian's verbal orders only during the Blitzkrieg ... designed to encourage local, independent action (and not have to worry about CYA in after action reviews)
Boyd would contrast the exact opposite for the US Army in WW2.
advancement becomes more about not having black marks instead of having done something ... in fact, lack of any black marks usually implies always playing it safe and never doing anything
My wife's father commanded (1154th) engineering combat group in ETO which had some of the flexibility feel (I've been able to scan copies of his WW2 status reports at National Archives)
from 1154th status report:
On 28 Apr we were put in D/S of the 13th Armd and 80th Inf Divs and
G/S Corps Opns. The night of the 28-29 April we cross the DANUBE River
and the next day we set-up our OP in SCHLOSS PUCHHOF (vic PUCHOFF); an
extensive structure remarkable for the depth of its carpets, the
height of its rooms, the profusion of its game, the superiority of its
plumbing and the fact that it had been owned by the original financial
backer of the NAZIS, Fritz Thyssen. Herr Thyssen was not at home.
Forward from the DANUBE the enemy had been very active, and an intact
bridge was never seen except by air reconnaissance. Maintenance of
roads and bypasses went on and 29 April we began constructing 835' of
M-2 Tdwy Br, plus a plank road approach over the ISAR River at
PLATTLING. Construction was completed at 1900 on the 30th. For the
month of April we had suffered no casualties of any kind and Die
Gotterdamerung was falling, the last days of the once mighty
WEHRMACHT.
past posts mentioning engineering combat group:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#120 atomic History
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#19 Message To America's Students: The War, The Draft, Your Future
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006s.html#44 Universal constants
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#90 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#52 Age
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#66 They always think we don't understand
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#10 OODA in highly stochastic environments
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#37 The first personal computer (PC)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#51 On Protectionism
past posts mentioning verbal orders only:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001.html#29 Review of Steve McConnell's AFTER THE GOLD RUSH
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#36 Mainframers: Take back the light (spotlight, that is)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#38 Mainframers: Take back the light (spotlight, that is)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002q.html#33 Star Trek: TNG reference
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003h.html#51 employee motivation & executive compensation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003p.html#27 The BASIC Variations
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004k.html#24 Timeless Classics of Software Engineering
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004q.html#86 Organizations with two or more Managers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006f.html#14 The Pankian Metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#9 The Pankian Metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006q.html#41 was change headers: The Fate of VM - was: Re: Baby MVS???
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#37 Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007c.html#25 Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#8a Using Military Philosophy to Drive High Value Sales
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#61 Up, Up, ... and Gone?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#63 how can a hierarchical mindset really ficilitate inclusive and empowered organization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008o.html#69 Blinkenlights
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#73 Most 'leaders' do not 'lead' and the majority of 'managers' do not 'manage'. Why is this?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#34 Mission Control & Air Cooperation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#43 Boyd's Briefings
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#68 Favourite computer history books?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#7 Innovation and iconoclasm
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#3 Preparing for Boyd II
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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 13 Sep, 2011 Subject: What is IBM culture? Blog: Greater IBMre:
I had sponsored Boyd's briefings at IBM. Part of briefing was about US corporate culture was suffering as former WW2 army officers were coming of age in corporations. Scenario was that at entry to WW2, army had to field large numbers of unskilled. To leverage scarce experience, they created rigid, top-down, command&control structure ... relying on overwhelming resources and rigid logistic management to prevail. The former WW2 army officers were starting to apply their organization management training to corporate American.
For the first briefing, I first tried to have it sponsored through employee education and at first they agreed. As I supplied them more information about briefings ... with regard to prevailing in competitive environment, they changed their mind. The comment was that the corporation devotes significant resources to training managers to handle employees and they felt Boyd's briefings could be detrimental to those efforts. They recommended that attendance be limited to senior members of competitive analysis departments.
While Boyd was pretty much disowned by the Air Force, the Marines adopted him (he is the only non-Marine in the library lobby "shrines" at Quantico).
as an aside, during the 80s, Marines were becoming less & less differentiated from the Army and were possibly in danger of becoming superfluous. For instance, the Marines were even forced to buy a whole load of Abrams tanks (so army could get the volume discount price). The Abrams at 65-70 tons are unusable in 95% of Marine mission profiles with 35ton load limits. In the early 90s, Boyd provided renewed differentiation for Marines (Boyd is also credited with the battle plan for Desert Storm; comments have been that major problem regarding the most recent conflicts is that Boyd died in '97).
re:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html
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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 13 Sep, 2011 Subject: Why stability trumps innovation Blog: FacebookWhy stability trumps innovation
from above:
Federal agencies often seem to discourage employees from taking
creative approaches to doing their jobs, FCW readers say.
... snip ...
stability can be another term for maintaining status quo
People are biased against creative ideas, studies find
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-08-people-biased-creative-ideas.html
Maintaining Organizational Status Quo Often Kills Creativity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4scAPcWJ7s
Managing The Psychological Bias Against Creativity
http://www.forbes.com/sites/toddessig/2011/09/06/managing-the-psychological-bias-against-creativity/
Diamond's "Guns, Germs, and Steel" has segment that unified china was way ahead of europe (possibly even discovering america in 1421) and then the empress eliminated all disruptive threats to her reign, cut off all foreign contact, including destroying all ocean-going vessels.
few past posts mentioning Daimond's book:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#59 Why did the OODA-loop tactic grow into a strategy?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#61 Why did the OODA-loop tactic grow into a strategy?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#1 Lessons Learned
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#88 Justifying application of Boyd to a project manager
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#44 Kabuki Theater 1603-1629
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#46 computer bootlaces
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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 13 Sep, 2011 Subject: Any candidates for best acronyms? Blog: Greater IBMGML ... invented at the science center in 1969 ... decade later morphed into SGML and then another decade SGML morphed into HTML. GML was originally chosen because it is the first letter of the last names of the three inventors (and then words chosen to match the letters). misc. past posts mentioning gml
Compare-and-swap, CAS instruction introduced in 370 ... chosen because
"CAS" are the initials of the person that invented it at the science
center when doing fine-grain multiprocessor locking work on cp/67.
misc. past posts mentioning smp and/or compare-and-swap
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#smp
misc. past posts mentioning science center
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech
GNOSIS ... great new operating system in (the) sky ... 370 operating system done by Tymshare.
HONE ... hands-on network environment ... originally virtual machine
cp67 datacenters for branch office SE to logon and practice operating
system in virtual machines (after 23jun69 unbundling
announcement). Later morphed into vm/cms with lots of apl applications
for world-wide online sales&marking support. HONE was one of my
hobbies providing them with highly customized operating systems. misc
old email mentioning hone
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#hone
misc. past posts mentioning hone
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone
for some EDGAR drift ... there is somebody writing an article about
the early wars over scroll up/down convention ... and was looking for
early discussions. I provided this old email discussing EDGAR having
got it wrong (the file moves "UP" so you are looking at lines closer
to bottom of the file ... as opposed to "looking" up at lines closer
to the top of the file). This article is apparently part of looking at
"gesture" conventions for tablets. ... History of user model for
scrolling:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#7
There were several internal editors that predated XEDIT that were much
more mature and had more function when XEDIT was selected for product
release. This was post with several old emails ... that blamed one of
the authors of one of the most capable of these editors ... for it
having more function than XEDIT ... and that it should be his
responsibility to make the necessary enhancements to XEDIT (as opposed
to selecting his editor for product release).
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006u.html#26
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006u.html#61
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Does outsourcing cause data loss? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:48:54 -0400Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
previously mentioned privacy surveys that resulted in original cal. state data breach notification legislation ... found that it wasn't just loss of information ... but loss of information that had direct detrimental effects on each person. #1 one was those that resulted in fraudulent financial transactions against accounts belonging to the person. #2 was information that would result in institutions denying the person job &/or services (like medical insurance).
recent similar earlier thread:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#56 The real cost of outsourcing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#33 The real cost of outsourcing (and offshoring)
with regard to interchange fees and fraud ... the early part of this century there were a number of "safe" payment products developed for the internet. Internet electronic payments are considered some of the least "safe" with the "highest" fraud rate ... and therefor the highest interchange fees.
The "safe" products were presented to large internet merchants (accounting for 60-80% of total internet payments) and found high acceptance. The merchants had been conditioned for decades that interchange fees were proportional to fraud ... and they were anticipating that the "safe" products would reduce their interchange fees from the highest to nearly the lowest (possibly order of magnitude reduction). Then set in the cognitive dissonance ... when the merchants were told that the financial institutions decided to set the interchange fees for "safe" internet payment products to effectively a surcharge on top of the highest rate (reversing decades of merchant conditioning) ... and all the "safe" products disappeared from the scene.
misc. past posts mentioning interchange fees:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm23.htm#37 3 of the big 4 - all doing payment systems
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm26.htm#1 Extended Validation - setting the minimum liability, the CA trap, the market in browser governance
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm26.htm#25 EV - what was the reason, again?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm26.htm#34 Failure of PKI in messaging
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm27.htm#32 The bank fraud blame game
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm27.htm#33 The bank fraud blame game
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm27.htm#39 a fraud is a sale, Re: The bank fraud blame game
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm27.htm#62 Fingerprint Firefox Plugin?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm28.htm#1 2008: The year of hack the vote?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm28.htm#18 Lack of fraud reporting paths considered harmful
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm28.htm#47 delegating SSL certificates
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm28.htm#77 How safe do you feel when using a debit or credit card?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm28.htm#81 not crypto, but fraud detection
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm28.htm#82 Can we copy trust?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm7.htm#rhose3 Rubber hose attack
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005u.html#16 AMD to leave x86 behind?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006k.html#23 Value of an old IBM PS/2 CL57 SX Laptop
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#27 Securing financial transactions a high priority for 2007
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007c.html#38 Securing financial transactions a high priority for 2007
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#28 sizeof() was: The Perfect Computer - 36 bits?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#56 T.J. Maxx data theft worse than first reported
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#17 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#47 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#59 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#72 Free Checking
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#35 My Dream PC -- Chip-Based
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#68 Poll: oldest computer thing you still use
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#31 Is the media letting banks off the hook on payment card security
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#40 Is the media letting banks off the hook on payment card security
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#64 Is the media letting banks off the hook on payment card security
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007u.html#0 folklore indeed
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007v.html#62 folklore indeed
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008c.html#7 Toyota Sales for 2007 May Surpass GM
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008c.html#90 Toyota Sales for 2007 May Surpass GM
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008d.html#3 Govt demands password to personal computer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008j.html#58 dollar coins
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008j.html#59 dollar coins
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#7 Payments start-up Noca takes aim at interchange Achilles heel
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#59 Tesco to open 30 "bank branches" this year
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#60 Cobol hits 50 and keeps counting
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#20 IBM forecasts 'new world order' for financial services
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#57 LexisNexis says its data was used by fraudsters
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#62 Solving password problems one at a time, Re: The password-reset paradox
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#3 Consumer Credit Crunch and Banking Writeoffs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#19 Does anyone know of merchants who have successfully bypassed interchange costs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#78 Kansas City Fed Chief Espouses ACH for Debit Card Processing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#50 64 Cores -- IBM is showing a prototype already
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#51 64 Cores -- IBM is showing a prototype already
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#77 Financial Regulatory Reform - elimination of loophole allowing special purpose institutions outside Bank Holding Company (BHC) oversigh
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#1 Is it possible to have an alternative payment system without riding on the Card Network platforms?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#50 How can we stop Credit card FRAUD?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009l.html#39 Network Rivalry Sparks 10-Year Quadrupling of PIN-Debit Pricing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#49 Hacker charges also an indictment on PCI, expert says
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#62 August 7, 1944: today is the 65th Anniversary of the Birth of the Computer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009n.html#26 Signature specification without certificates
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#68 US retailers face $100bn in ID fraud losses a year - study
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#75 Now is time for banks to replace core system according to Accenture
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010.html#70 Post Office bank account 'could help 1m poor'
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010.html#98 Korean bank Moves back to Mainframes (...no, not back)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#86 Oldest Instruction Set still in daily use?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#21 Credit card data security: Who's responsible?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#44 Can't PIN be mandated in normal POS machines ? to avoid Losses / Frauds / NPA's ?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#21 Should the USA Implement EMV?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#1 In SSL We Trust? Not Lately
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#26 In SSL We Trust? Not Lately
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#54 Trust Facade
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#69 Idiotic programming style edicts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#45 Swipe this card; shopping could be cheaper
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#62 blasts from the past -- old predictions come true
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#63 Wal-Mart to support smartcard payments
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#0 Wal-Mart to support smartcard payments
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#10 Wal-Mart to support smartcard payments
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#28 The Durbin Amendment Ignites a Lobbying Frenzy on Capitol Hill
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#7 taking down the machine - z9 series
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#59 A mighty fortress is our PKI
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#79 Five Theses on Security Protocols
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#82 Five Theses on Security Protocols
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#39 Compressing the OODA-Loop - Removing the D (and maybe even an O)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#52 Payment Card Industry Pursues Profits Over Security
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#13 "Compound threats" to appear in 2011 ?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#42 Looking for a real Fortran-66 compatible PC compiler (CP/M or DOSor Windows
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#11 Credit cards with a proximity wifi chip can be as safe as walking around with your credit card number on a poster
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#48 On Protectionism
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#64 Are Americans serious about dealing with money laundering and the drug cartels?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#22 An online bank scam worthy of a spy novel
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#23 Fight Fraud with Device ID
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#48 Is the magic and romance killed by Windows (and Linux)?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#58 Pipeline and Network Security: Protecting a Series of Tubes
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Does outsourcing cause data loss? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:55:35 -0400re:
and recent news item:
Outsourcing IT to other countries adds to cyber risks, report says; New
white paper warns of increasing national security risks from cyber
threats
http://fcw.com/articles/2011/09/12/federal-it-outsourcing-cyberattacks.aspx
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Oldest computer on the internet? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:20:38 -0400Stan Barr <plan.b@dsl.pipex.com> writes:
RFC 801 NCP/TCP(/IP) transition plan 1Nov81:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc801.txt
tcp/ip is the technology basis for the modern internet, NSFNET backbone was the operational basis for the modern internet and CIX was the business basis for the modern internet.
Misc. old email related to NSFNET backbone
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#nsfnet
In IMPs/host-protocol, the IMPs were the network nodes and typically one or more hosts/mainframes connected to IMPs. At time of the switch-over, there supposedly were approx. 100 IMPs (network nodes) and possibly 250 or so host/mainframes.
RFC 1000
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1000.txt
from above:
The procurement of the ARPANET was initiated in the summer of 1968 --
Remember Vietnam, flower children, etc? There had been prior
experiments at various ARPA sites to link together computer systems, but
this was the first version to explore packet-switching on a grand scale.
("ARPA" didn't become "DARPA" until 1972.) Unlike most of the ARPA/IPTO
procurements of the day, this was a competitive procurement. The
contract called for four IMPs to be delivered to UCLA, SRI, UCSB and The
University of Utah. These sites were running a Sigma 7 with the SEX
operating system, an SDS 940 with the Genie operating system, an IBM
360/75 with OS/MVT (or perhaps OS/MFT), and a DEC PDP-10 with the Tenex
operating system. Options existed for additional nodes if the first
experiments were successful. BBN won the procurement in December 1968,
but that gets ahead of this story.
... snip ...
RFC 240 Site Status (& list of hosts) 27Sep71:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc240.txt
The above mentions Joel Winnet getting host protocol up on cp67 (ran on 360/67, precursor to vm370) at lincoln labs.
IBM mainframe tcp/ip product was done about the time of the NSFNET
backbone (although some sites had implemented their own mainframe tcp/ip
support earlier) ... it was written in pascal/vs for vm370 ... a kludged
up version was later made available on MVS by implementing simulation
for some vm370 functions. The original version had some performance and
thruput issues. I did the changes for supporting RFC1044 and in some
tuning tests at Cray Research (between cray and 4341-clone) got possibly
500 times improvement (in instructions executed per bytes transferred)
running at 4341-clone channel media speed. misc. past posts mentioning
doing rfc 1044 support
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#1044
not real machines ... but various players have old mainframe system
software running under hercules
http://www.hercules-390.org/
http://www.ibiblio.org/jmaynard/
as aside ... the internal network
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet
was larger than the arpanet/internet from just about the beginning until
possibly late-85 or early-86 ... originally implemented at the science
center on cp67
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: computer bootlaces Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:27:07 -0400Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> writes:
one of the "irresponsible" was medicare part-d early in 2003 which the comptroller general said was a $40T unfunded mandate (over time, would come to totally swamp all other budget items).
cbs 60mins did segment on passage of medicare part-d ... supposedly there were 18 congress members & staffers (republican) that were sheperding the bill through passage. At the last hr, they inserted a single sentence in the bill stating that part-d drugs weren't subject to competitive bidding ... and prevented CBO from distributing a financial report regarding the one sentence change until after the bill was passed.
60mins then showed numerous drugs that for the veterans administration (that allows competitive bidding) were 1/3rd the price of the same/identical drugs under medicare part-d (w/o competitive bidding).
They followed up on the 18 shepherding the bill and found that within a year of the bill passage, all had resigned and were on drug company payrolls.
so ... apparently not only Canada ... but also the veterans administration.
misc. past posts mentioning medicare part-d
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#0 Oldest Instruction Set still in daily use?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#3 Oldest Instruction Set still in daily use?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#9 Oldest Instruction Set still in daily use?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#34 The 2010 Census
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#35 The 2010 Census
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#46 not even sort of about The 2010 Census
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#66 They always think we don't understand
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#75 origin of 'fields'?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#78 origin of 'fields'?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#72 77,000 federal workers paid more than governors
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#14 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#20 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#28 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#29 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#33 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#37 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#40 Advice from Richard P. Feynman
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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 14 Sep, 2011 Subject: Any candidates for best acronyms? Blog: Greater IBMre:
low-end & mid-range was to come out with its equivalent to TSO (os/360 time share option) for VS1. It was originally was going to be called PCO (personal computing option) ... but that turned out to be an acronym for a political party in Europe and eventually the name was changed to VS/PC.
The PCO group viewed vm/cms as competitive effort ... and they had a couple people that did a PCO model and would run a whole bunch "simulated" benchmarks and then much of the vm/cms development group was tied up doing real "equivalent" benchmarks (instead of development). The benchmark PCO "model" numbers and vm/cms numbers were usually quite close ... however, when PCO was finally running ... and there were "real" PCO numbers ... it turned out that "real" PCO benchmark numbers were around ten times worse than the "model" PCO benchmark numbers (the vm/cms developers had wasted an enormous amount of their limited resources doing comparison benchmarks for something that was total fabrication).
misc. past posts mentioning PCO
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#49 any 70's era supercomputers that ran as slow as today's supercompu
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001i.html#30 IBM OS Timeline?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002e.html#14 EMV cards
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002h.html#51 Why did OSI fail compared with TCP-IP?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002q.html#26 LISTSERV Discussion List For USS Questions?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003k.html#0 VSPC
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005p.html#38 storage key question
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005q.html#19 HASP/ASP JES/JES2/JES3
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#72 Subpools - specifically 241
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#5 Memory v. Storage: What's in a Name?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#77 Overloaded acronyms
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Agents Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:28:30 -0400Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> writes:
currently it is something of kludge to work-around emacs lack of thread support (my current desk machine is hyper-threaded 4-core w/16gbyte memory)
I do use firefox for browser support ... but i've got bunch of shell/wget/emacs stuff that drives checking news websites for URLs i haven't seen before ... which can fire-off a couple hundred URLs in firefox tabs. wget to retrieve long list of news URL ... emacs to parse file for URLs, sqlite to retrieve firefox history file, and then check if any new URLs that aren't in firefox history ... and then fire-off result in firefox background tabs.
the composition of archived stuff at garlic.com/~lynn/ is mostly done in emacs as is generating URLs of past archived postings.
misc. past mention of mozilla/firefox tabs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005e.html#48 Mozilla v Firefox
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005e.html#50 Mozilla v Firefox
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005n.html#8 big endian vs. little endian, why?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005n.html#15 1.8b2 / 1.7.11 tab performance
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006q.html#51 Intel abandons USEnet news
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#30 tab browsing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008b.html#35 Tap and faucet and spellcheckers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008d.html#24 Javascript disabled in Firefox
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#71 Mainframe programming vs the Web
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#85 Which of the latest browsers do you prefer and why?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#72 Now is time for banks to replace core system according to Accenture
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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 18 Sep, 2011 Subject: The true cost of 9/11: Trillions and trillions wasted on wars, a fiscal catastrophe, and a weaker America. Blog: Google+The true cost of 9/11: Trillions and trillions wasted on wars, a fiscal catastrophe, and a weaker America.
Stiglitz's "Three Trillion Dollar War" references that if public
company was run like DOD during the last decade, it would be brought
up on SEC charges (aka Spinney's MICC ...
military-industrial-congressional complex)
https://www.amazon.com/Three-Trillion-Dollar-War-ebook/dp/B0041OTAY8
above includes cost estimates going forward (including disability payments and medical treatment for wounded troops). This shows that $2T has been appropriated as of 2010 over 1999 DOD baseline, $1T for the war and wonders where the other $1T went:
"What Did the Rumsfeld/Gates Pentagon Do with $1 Trillion"
http://www.cdi.org/program/document.cfm?documentid=4623
note cdi.org has moved to
http://www.pogo.org/straus/
... missing $1T is now
http://www.pogo.org/straus/issues/defense-budget/2010/what-did-the-rumsfeld-gates-pentagon-do-with-1-trillion.html
However, by comparison there is an estimate that there was $27T in
triple-A rated toxic CDO transactions done during the same period
(i've referred to as financial-regulatory-congressional complex)
Evil Wall Street Exports Boomed With 'Fools' Born to Buy Debt
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2008-10-27/evil-wall-street-exports-boomed-with-fools-born-to-buy-debt
misc. past references to Stiglitz, "what happened to $1T at
Pentagon", and/or $27T triple-A rated, toxic CDO transactions:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#7 Are Ctibank's services and products so vital to global economy than no other banks can substitute it?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#9 HSBC is expected to announce a profit, which is good, what did they do differently?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#16 The Formula That Killed Wall Street
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#30 I need insight on the Stock Market
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#59 Quiz: Evaluate your level of Spreadsheet risk
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#62 Is Wall Street World's Largest Ponzi Scheme where Madoff is Just a Poster Child?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#64 Should AIG executives be allowed to keep the bonuses they were contractually obligated to be paid?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#73 Should Glass-Steagall be reinstated?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#77 Who first mentioned Credit Crunch?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#8 The background reasons of Credit Crunch
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#23 Should FDIC or the Federal Reserve Bank have the authority to shut down and take over non-bank financial institutions like AIG?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#31 What is the real basis for business mess we are facing today?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#35 US banking Changes- TARP Proposl
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#38 On whom or what would you place the blame for the sub-prime crisis?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#41 On whom or what would you place the blame for the sub-prime crisis?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#49 Is the current downturn cyclic or systemic?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#56 What's your personal confidence level concerning financial market recovery?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#65 Just posted third article about toxic assets in a series on the current financial crisis
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#1 Future of Financial Mathematics?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#5 Do the current Banking Results in the US hide a grim truth?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#27 Flawed Credit Ratings Reap Profits as Regulators Fail Investors
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#3 Consumer Credit Crunch and Banking Writeoffs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#10 China's yuan 'set to usurp US dollar' as world's reserve currency
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#25 The Paradox of Economic Recovery
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#29 Analysing risk, especially credit risk in Banks, which was a major reason for the current crisis
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#49 IBM to Build Europe, Asia 'Smart Infrastructure'
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#60 In the USA "financial regulator seeks power to curb excess speculation."
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#35 what is mortgage-backed securities?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#83 End of an era
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#48 On Protectionism
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#60 In your opinon, what is the highest risk of financial fraud for a corporation ?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#28 US military spending has increased 81% since 2001
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#30 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#32 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#67 U.S. can't account for $8.7 billion of Iraq's money: audit
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#70 Pentagon Struggles To Keep Ships Sailing, Planes Flying As Budget Cuts Loom
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#11 Innovation and iconoclasm
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#18 Congressional Bickering
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#39 Advice from Richard P. Feynman
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#60 50th anniversary of BASIC, COBOL?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#8 The True Cost of 9/11 -- Includes 18 Veteran Suicides a Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#17 Washington's Cult of Continuous Failure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#34 Scotland, was Re: Solving the Floating-Point Goldilocks Problem!
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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 18 Sep, 2011 Subject: UAV vis-a-vis F35 Blog: Boyd Strategyre:
There was something of manned versus unmanned discussion this week. One of the points was that the F18 is already fly-by-wire (unstable flight w/o computer controls) and can sustain very significant damage and still able to fly (computer is already adjusting large number of controls ... and is programmed to do necessary adjustments to keep flying). As a result, it is relative straight-forward incremental steps to fly much more autonomously. This came up in article two years ago about Army UAV are operated by sergeants that are trained but aren't flight rated and the Army UAV has computerized automated landing. Similar UAVs operated by Air Force pilots, landing under manual control,l have much higher crash rate.
Not dwelt so much on was that F35 was only strategic solution and got enormous resources because it was too-important-to-fail. I've seen quite a few too-important-to-fail ... which got into death spiral with constantly trying to add features to justify the enormous costs. The problem was that the added features would increase costs faster than the justification for the added features. While it is possible to build a UAV that costs as much as F35, there isn't a single designated solution, a wide-variety can be built with a large number of different costs. One observation was that at least 50 different kinds of UAVs have been developed in just the past year.
It is possible to have a UAV that is as expensive as an F35 ... but it is also possible to have 50-100 UAVs for the cost of a F35 and hundreds of different kinds of UAVs.
I made some comment about mission specialist becoming more in control of the UAV with autonomous operation of "fly-by-wire" in support of the mission specialist. Somebody made the comment that things were already heading in that direction. There was point made that cruise missiles are already autonomous UAV ... just not designed to (also) return.
As disasters happen with too-important-to-fail, more & more resources typically are added until they also become too-big-to-fail ... which then tends to slow OODA-loops to glacier speeds. In the 70s I had drawn analogies with massive resource efforts exceeding critical mass and becoming black holes. The analogy wasn't quite perfect until I ran across the paper about black holes evaporating.
Boyd would talk about F15 being stand-off missile platform ... but not the best fighter. He talked about his effort then in doing F16. He claimed head of the F15 forces went to sec. of airforce and wanted Boyd thrown in leavenworth for the rest of his life; they claimed they knew Boyd was doing F16, but wasn't authorized ... and must be using millions of dollars in unauthorized supercomputer time for F16 design ... which amounts to theft of millions in dollars of gov. property. An investigation was kicked off to find proof of the millions of unauthorized supercomputer time .... but after several months they gave up.
One of the issues is too-important/big-to-fail technology has slow iteration ... currently UAV has large number of concurrent much faster iterations.... including radically lower cost solutions. In addition to coloring outside the lines ... they are also coloring on large number of blank pages
misc. Boyd posts & references
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html
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From: lynn@GARLIC.COM (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Subject: Re: OUCB usage Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Date: 18 Sep 2011 17:28:56 -0700Eric Jackson <jhril@ca.rr.com> writes:
circa 1980, somebody from the mvs organization contacted me about recent change that had been to MVS, regarding not actually "swapping" pages unless actually needed ... and they wanted to know about making similar change to vm370. I commented, that it had never occurred to me to not do it that way ... dating back to when i did the original implementation in the 60s.
I actually had earlier arguments with the organization when they were first adding virtual memory to os/360 ... for svs and then mvs.
misc. past posts mentioning paging, swapping, page replace algorithms,
etc
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#clock
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: UNIVAC: the troubled life of America's first computer Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:24:34 -0400UNIVAC: the troubled life of America's first computer
from above:
On that night they witnessed the birth of an even newer technology --
machine that could predict the election's results. Sitting next to the
desk of CBS Anchor Walter Cronkite was a mockup a huge gadget called a
UNIVAC (UNIVersal Automatic Computer), which Cronkite explained would
augur the contest. J. Presper Eckert, the UNIVAC's inventor, stood next
to the device and explained its workings
... snip ...
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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 19 Sep, 2011 Subject: Batting .000 for the 00's, America's Lost Decade Blog: Google+Batting .000 for the 00's, America's Lost Decade
from above:
The Lost Decade: And the past 10 years? Shoes off in the airport.
Bruising unemployment. Slipping from first to 12th in college
graduation. Even classic loser decades, like the 1930s and 1970s, were
more productive than the oughts.
... snip ...
Zakaria: Only China can save Europe
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/14/zakaria-only-china-can-save-europe/
On his Sunday morning show ... comment was that US was only country that had money to lend Europe after WW2 and was major factor in US as world reserve. China is in similar position now.
Zakaria's Post-American World, pg187/loc3013-16: "No statistic seems to capture this anxiety better than those showing the decline of engineering. In 2005, the National Academy of Sciences released a report warning that the United States could soon lose its privileged position as the world's science leader. In 2004, the report said, China graduated 600,000 engineers, India 350,000, and the United States 70,000."
pg218/loc3515-17: "In 2007, China contributed more to global growth than the United States did -- the first time any nation has done so since at least the 1930s -- and surpassed it as the world's largest consumer market in several key categories."
Spence: Future of Economic Growth in Multispeed World loc914-16: "One way to think about this is that China and India account for about 60 percent of the population of the G20 countries. In another few decades, these will be the major advanced income countries. At that point, say by the middle of the twenty-first century, output of China and India will be similar and account for almost 60 percent of the world's advanced-country income."
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: computer bootlaces Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:24:59 -0400jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
At the end of 2008, just the four largest too-big-to-fail institutions were holding $5.2T in triple-A rated toxic CDOs off-balance ... and in the most recent fall2008 transactions, triple-A rated toxic CDOs had been going for 22cents on the dollar.
The appropriated TARP funds would have barely been able to buy the triple-A rated toxic CDO holdings of the four largest too-big-to-fail at 22cents on the dollar ... however clearing the books at 22cents on the dollar would have resulted in declaring the institutions insolvent and gov. being forced to liquidate the institutions.
So, the gov. had to come up with some other use of the TARP funds ... and triple-A rated toxic CDOs stay festering off-balance. The Federal Reserve then stepped in and started buying trillions in triple-A rated toxic CDOs at 98cents on the dollar as well as lending the institutions additional trillions at effectively zero percent interest.
The anticipation was that the too-big-to-fail institutions would use
the little bit from TARP plus the huge trillions from the FED to start
lending ... what turned out was that they used the funds to buy
treasuries instead (booking the interest from treasuries as profit)
... which contributes significantly to all the congressional Kabuki
theater over the debt (1603-1629 period)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabuki
Instead the FED could have started directly buying trillions in treasuries at zero percent interest (significantly reducing any issue about debt since the federal gov. would be getting free money) and made the additional trillions available to the regional and local community banks that had been lending. The result would have been the too-big-to-fail would have failed and liquidated.
There is a periodic financial industry publication that slices and dices all sorts of operation ... showing avg. for largest national financial institutions against the avg. for the largest regional financial institutions. The regionals have come out slightly more profitable and more efficient than the nationals (possibly the only justification for the nationals is top executive compensation tends to be proportional to the size of the institution).
Past posts referencing articles about $27T in triple-A rated toxic CDO
transactions, four largest too-big-to-fail holding $5.2T in triple-A
rated toxic CDOs at the end of 2008, congressional Kabuki theater,
and/or FOIA forced FED to release documents about what it had been
doing:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#59 Quiz: Evaluate your level of Spreadsheet risk
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#62 Is Wall Street World's Largest Ponzi Scheme where Madoff is Just a Poster Child?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#8 The background reasons of Credit Crunch
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#23 Should FDIC or the Federal Reserve Bank have the authority to shut down and take over non-bank financial institutions like AIG?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#40 Architectural Diversity
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#41 On whom or what would you place the blame for the sub-prime crisis?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#49 Is the current downturn cyclic or systemic?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#56 What's your personal confidence level concerning financial market recovery?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#65 Just posted third article about toxic assets in a series on the current financial crisis
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#1 Future of Financial Mathematics?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#5 Do the current Banking Results in the US hide a grim truth?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#27 Flawed Credit Ratings Reap Profits as Regulators Fail Investors
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#52 Future of Financial Mathematics?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#53 We Can't Subsidize the Banks Forever
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#3 Consumer Credit Crunch and Banking Writeoffs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#10 China's yuan 'set to usurp US dollar' as world's reserve currency
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#21 China's yuan 'set to usurp US dollar' as world's reserve currency
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#25 The Paradox of Economic Recovery
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#29 Analysing risk, especially credit risk in Banks, which was a major reason for the current crisis
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#49 IBM to Build Europe, Asia 'Smart Infrastructure'
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#79 The $4 trillion housing headache
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#60 In the USA "financial regulator seeks power to curb excess speculation."
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#77 Financial Regulatory Reform - elimination of loophole allowing special purpose institutions outside Bank Holding Company (BHC) oversigh
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#35 what is mortgage-backed securities?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#69 64 Cores -- IBM is showing a prototype already
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009n.html#13 UK issues Turning apology (and about time, too)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009n.html#21 UK issues Turning apology (and about time, too)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009n.html#62 Opinions on the 'Unix Haters' Handbook'
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#4 alphas was: search engine history, was Happy DEC
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#5 alphas was: search engine history, was Happy DEC
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#8 search engine history, was Happy DEC-10 Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#10 search engine history, was Happy DEC-10 Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#11 search engine history, was Happy DEC-10 Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#26 search engine history, was Happy DEC-10 Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#29 search engine history, was Happy DEC-10 Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#74 LPARs: More or Less?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#15 LPARs: More or Less?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#33 The 2010 Census
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#54 The 2010 Census
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#69 The 2010 Census
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#76 The 2010 Census
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#15 The Revolving Door and S.E.C. Enforcement
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#22 In the News: SEC storms the 'Castle'
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#34 Idiotic programming style edicts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#47 "Fraud & Stupidity Look a Lot Alike"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#46 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#38 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#40 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#48 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#53 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#56 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#29 Idiotic programming style edicts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#33 Idiotic programming style edicts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#40 Idiotic programming style edicts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#22 60 Minutes News Report:Unemployed for over 99 weeks!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#24 What Is MERS and What Role Does It Have in the Foreclosure Mess?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#59 They always think we don't understand
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#6 What banking is. (Essential for predicting the end of finance as we know it.)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#7 What banking is. (Essential for predicting the end of finance as we know it.)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#17 What banking is. (Essential for predicting the end of finance as we know it.)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#23 They always think we don't understand
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#46 TCM's Moguls documentary series
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#63 TCM's Moguls documentary series
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#58 Programmer Charged with thieft (maybe off topic)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#66 Ernst & Young sued for fraud over Lehman
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#48 What do you think about fraud prevention in the governments?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#50 What do you think about fraud prevention in the governments?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#80 Chinese and Indian Entrepreneurs Are Eating America's Lunch
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#84 The Imaginot Line
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#94 The Curly Factor -- Prologue
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#27 The Zippo Lighter theory of the financial crisis (or, who do we want to blame?)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#42 Productivity And Bubbles
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#43 Productivity And Bubbles
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#45 Productivity And Bubbles
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#56 Productivity And Bubbles
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#46 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#23 The first personal computer (PC)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#25 The first personal computer (PC)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#28 The first personal computer (PC)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#7 I actually miss working at IBM
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#36 On Protectionism
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#41 On Protectionism
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#48 On Protectionism
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#60 In your opinon, what is the highest risk of financial fraud for a corporation ?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#74 The first personal computer (PC)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#43 Massive Fraud, Common Crime, No Prosecutions
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#66 Bank email archives thrown open in financial crash report
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#30 Bank email archives thrown open in financial crash report
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#71 Pressing Obama, House Bars Rise for Debt Ceiling
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#5 Home prices may drop another 25%, Shiller predicts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#7 Home prices may drop another 25%, Shiller predicts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#22 Is BitCoin a triple entry system?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#24 US Housing Crisis Is Now Worse Than Great Depression
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#25 US Housing Crisis Is Now Worse Than Great Depression
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#29 Obama: "We don't have enough engineers"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#13 'Megalomania, Insanity' Fueled Bubble: Munger
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#16 'Megalomania, Insanity' Fueled Bubble: Munger
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#19 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#33 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#37 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#3 Greed, Excess and America's Gaping Class Divide
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#11 Innovation and iconoclasm
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#24 rating agencies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#38 Advice from Richard P. Feynman
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#39 Advice from Richard P. Feynman
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#41 Advice from Richard P. Feynman
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#44 S&P Downgrades USA; Time to Downgrade S&P?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#45 S&P's History of Relentless Political Advocacy
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#50 How Many Divisions Does Standard and Poors Have?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#2 First Website Launched 20 Years Ago Today
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#4 Geithner, Bernanke have little in arsenal to fight new crisis
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#16 Feds Launch Probe Into S&P Mortgage Rates
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#23 Wall Street Aristocracy Got $1.2 Trillion in Fed's Secret Loans
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#25 Wall Street Aristocracy Got $1.2 Trillion in Fed's Secret Loans
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#56 50th anniversary of BASIC, COBOL?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#60 50th anniversary of BASIC, COBOL?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#81 How Joe and Mary Six Pack Saved Wall Street, London, Frankfurt and Big Corporates in the USA and Europe
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#62 The true cost of 9/11: Trillions and trillions wasted on wars, a fiscal catastrophe, and a weaker America
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: computer bootlaces Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:50:12 -0400jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
Buffett has been using the example of his effective tax-rate compared to
workers in his office for some years ... on the subject of eliminating
the enormous number of tax loopholes for special interests. The
proliferation of congress "selling" tax loopholes to special interests
has been enormous source of funds for members of congress (periodic
reports that the greatest plum in congress is being appointed to member
of tax committee ... where the special interests will concentrate a
significant amount of money). There are lots of scenarios that all of
congress creates a facade of political discord to help keep the money
flowing (as well as Roman games for the population). It contributes to
the claims that congress is the most corrupt institution on earth as
well as congress being Kabuki theater (1603-1629 period):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabuki
a couple recent posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#39 Kabuki Threater 1603-1629
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#44 Kabuki Threater 1603-1629
The other scenario is that all the special interest tax loopholes has resulted in an enoromously large & complex 65,000 page taxcode ... dealing with that taxcode costs the country as much as 3-5% of GDP (or eliminating all the special interest tax loopholes possibly benefits the country 3-5% GDP productivity).
misc. past posts reference the 65,000 page taxcode complexity and the
overall aggregate complexity costs to the country far outweighs the
benefits:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#71 Cormpany sponsored insurance
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#49 Taxes
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#10 Blinkylights
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#43 Architectural Diversity
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#53 Are the "brightest minds in finance" finally onto something?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#53 Are the "brightest minds in finance" finally onto something?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#20 China's yuan 'set to usurp US dollar' as world's reserve currency
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#13 64 Cores -- IBM is showing a prototype already
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#48 search engine history, was Happy DEC-10 Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#69 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#73 Idiotic programming style edicts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#14 Rare Apple I computer sells for $216,000 in London
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#74 TCM's Moguls documentary series
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#18 The first personal computer (PC)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011g.html#8 Is the magic and romance killed by Windows (and Linux)?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#20 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#4 Geithner, Bernanke have little in arsenal to fight new crisis
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#18 What Uncle Warren doesn't mention
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#73 Who was the Greatest IBM President and CEO of the last century
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: computer bootlaces Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:04:45 -0400re:
one of the other things that buffett played in was when the muni-bond market froze (aka loans to municipalities for local services).
One of the pivotal plays in the financial mess was the GLBA repeal of
Glass-Steagall enabling emerging too-big-to-fail to play with
triple-A rated toxic CDOs being carried off-balance).
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877330,00.html
However, another pivotal play was the rating agencies selling triple-A ratings (on the toxic CDOs) to (many unregulated) loan originators:
Subprime = Triple-A ratings? or 'How to Lie with Statistics' (gone 404 but lives on at the wayback machine)
https://web.archive.org/web/20071111031315/http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2007/07/25/subprime-triple-a-ratings-or-how-to-lie-with-statistics/
How Wall Street Lied to Its Computers
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/18/how-wall-streets-quants-lied-to-their-computers/
When investors began to realize that the rating agencies were selling triple-A ratings ... there was fear that no rating agency ratings could be trusted ... and the muni-bond market totally froze. Buffett stepped in with muni-bond "insurance" ... that unfroze the market and started investors investing again.
misc. past posts mentioning Buffett
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#66 independent appraisers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008j.html#20 dollar coins
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#17 Fraud due to stupid failure to test for negative
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#78 When risks go south: FM&FM to be nationalized
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#80 Fraud due to stupid failure to test for negative
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#83 Fraud due to stupid failure to test for negative
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#86 WSJ finds someone to blame.... be skeptical, and tell the WSJ to grow up
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#87 Fraud due to stupid failure to test for negative
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#92 Blinkylights
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#0 Blinkylights
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#29 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#8 The background reasons of Credit Crunch
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#81 The 2010 Census
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#27 In the News: SEC storms the 'Castle'
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#12 Warren Buffett faces hearing over ratings agencies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#6 taking down the machine - z9 series
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#29 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#53 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#17 What banking is. (Essential for predicting the end of finance as we know it.)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#69 Moody's hints at move that could be catastrophic for US debt
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#40 Ernst & Young sued for fraud over Lehman
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#42 Productivity And Bubbles
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#43 Productivity And Bubbles
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#46 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#25 The first personal computer (PC)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#30 The first personal computer (PC)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#2 'Megalomania, Insanity' Fueled Bubble: Munger
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#24 rating agencies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#44 S&P Downgrades USA; Time to Downgrade S&P?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#18 What Uncle Warren doesn't mention
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#46 Sand in Machine Makes a Stable Market
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#56 50th anniversary of BASIC, COBOL?
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From: lynn@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) Date: 20 Sep, 2011 Subject: Zakaria: Only China can save Europe Blog: FacebookZakaria: Only China can save Europe
from above:
I've written a column in The Washington Post about Europe's debt
crisis where I argue that the true scale of the crisis is so large
that neither Germany nor all of Europe can handle it on their own. A
more drastic solution is necessary.
... snip ...
Comment on his show (morning 18sep2011) was that US was only country
that had money to lend Europe after WW2 and was major factor in US as
world reserve. China is in similar position now.
also
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#66 Batting .000 for the 00's, America's Lost Decade
Batting .000 for the 00's, America's Lost Decade
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-16/batting-000-in-00-s-u-s-sees-lost-decade-commentary-by-jonathan-alter.html
from above:
The Lost Decade: And the past 10 years? Shoes off in the
airport. Bruising unemployment. Slipping from first to 12th in college
graduation. Even classic loser decades, like the 1930s and 1970s, were
more productive than the oughts.
... snip ...
Zakaria's Post-American World, pg187/loc3013-16:
No statistic seems to capture this anxiety better than those showing
the decline of engineering. In 2005, the National Academy of Sciences
released a report warning that the United States could soon lose its
privileged position as the world's science leader. In 2004, the report
said, China graduated 600,000 engineers, India 350,000, and the United
States 70,000.
pg218/loc3515-17:
In 2007, China contributed more to global growth
than the United States did -- the first time any nation has done so
since at least the 1930s -- and surpassed it as the world's largest
consumer market in several key categories.
Spence: Future of Economic Growth in Multispeed World loc914-16:
One way to think about this is that China and India account for about
60 percent of the population of the G20 countries. In another few
decades, these will be the major advanced income countries. At that
point, say by the middle of the twenty-first century, output of China
and India will be similar and account for almost 60 percent of the
world's advanced-country income.
... snip ...
another possible scenario is that they've been buying (renting) politicians just like all the other special interest groups
there was study that business was channeling enormous sums through various associations into congress on illegal immigration over the last decade. In the 90s, there were GAO reports (that had been requested by congress) regarding the effects of amnesty & additional legal immigration. One of the nets was business turned significant profit by paying below scale rates to illegals (about $10k/illegal/annum spread, just on cost of gov. services over what they were paid, effectively a defacto subsidy to businesses). I had expected to see similar GAO reports requested over the past few years ... but there has been nothing (the lack of reports is indicative).
misc. past posts mentioning illegal aliens:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#70 illegal aliens
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#79 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#81 illegal aliens
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#22 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#61 Horrid thought about Politics, President Bush, and Democrats
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#46 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008.html#39 competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#17 The Return of Ada
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#55 TCM's Moguls documentary series
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:02:29 -0400David Dyer-Bennet <dd-b@dd-b.net> writes:
similar (regardless of what was entered, it was treated as valid) ...
but different was YES CARD exploit of the chip payment card (used in
europe, uk, some other parts of the world, as well as rather large pilot
in the US that appeared to evaporate w/o a trace after the publication
of the exploit). old reference that has gone 404 ... but lives on at the
wayback machine:
https://web.archive.org/web/20030417083810/http://www.smartcard.co.uk/resources/articles/cartes2002.html
a trival point-of-sale (POS) terminal cloning hack (identical to technology previously developed for magstripe terminal attack) ... harvested information for making clone/counterfeit chip payment card. The counterfeit card would be programmed to answer "YES" (i.e. correct) to 1) was correct PIN entered, 2) perform "offline" transaction, 3) is transaction within credit limit.
the description at a (US) ATM Integrity task force meeting in the period, prompted somebody in the audience to explaim that they managed to spend billions of dollars to prove chips are less secure than magstripe.
in the counterfeit magstripe case, the transaction is always online and the account number can be deactivated (once the fraud has been discovered) and prevents future transactions. there was no way of stopping fraudulent transactions with the couterfeit chipcard since the transaction would never go online (to check if account was still valid).
I described the exploit to people running one of the US pilots (before deployment) ... and their reply was that it wouldn't affect them because all of their chipcards were programmed to always do online transactions (which would catch invalidated account ... as in the magstripe case). These people were intimately tied to the (valid) chipcard part of the infrastructure ... and couldn't interpret that the exploit was an attack on POS terminal part of the infrastructure ... and had *nothing* to do with attascking valid chipcards ... aka valid POS terminals were hacked to gain the information to create counterfeit chipcards ... and countfeit chipcards (not valid chipcards) then were used with other POS terminals.
They were so chipcard-centric focused, that when the exploit was explained to them ... they couldn't see how it affect them, since it wasn't a direct attack on their chipcard (even tho it was an attack on their infrastructure ... and could easily drive their fraud through the roof).
misc. past post mentioning YES CARD exploits
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#yescard
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Selectric Typewriter--50th Anniversary Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:43:57 -0400re:
disclaimer: I had designed & prototyped chips that weren't vulnerable
to yes card vulnerabilities.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#yescard
We had been brought in to consult with small client/server startup
that wanted to do payment transactions on their server, they had also
invented this technology they called "SSL" they wanted to use ... the
result is now frequently called "electronic commerce". misc. past
posts mentioning payment gateway work (interface to electronic
commerce internet webservers and payment network)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#gateway
misc. past posts mentioning "SSL" digital certificates
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subpubkey.html#sslcerts
Somewhat as a result in the mid-90s, we were invited to participate in the x9a10 financial standard working group which had been given the requirement to preserve the integrity of the financial infrastructgure for all retail payments (this was approx. the same time as the work on european chip payment card was going on). We had to do detailed threat & vulnerability of various payment methods as well as detailed look at existing payment fraud.
A major exploit across nearly all the payment methods was various
kinds of replay attacks ... skim, harvest, data breach, evesdrop
existing transactions and use the information ("replay") for
performing fraudulent transactions. Part of x9a10 work for x9.59
electronic standard effort was to eliminate all kinds of replay
attacks (which obsoletes need for majority of "SSL" in the world
today ... countermeasure evesdropping information from valid
transaction for re-use in fraudulent transactions). Reference to x9a10
work
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/x959.html#x959
The european chip work claimed that they had two chip solutions
... one was what they called "static" data ... pretty much same
vulnerabilities as magstripe (or even worse as in the yes card
exploit) and "dynamic" data. However, they claimed that chip that did
dynamic data wasn't affordable and they had to deploy a "static" data
chip solution. I was saying that I would take a $500 milspec chip and
aggresively cost reduce by 2-3 orders of magnitude while improving the
security. This would have significantly higher security than their
"dynamic" chip payment card solution while being significantly cheaper
than their "static" chip payment card solution. reference to decade old
Intel Developer's Forum session
https://web.archive.org/web/20011109072807/http://www.intel94.com/idf/spr2001/sessiondescription.asp?id=stp%2bs13 Assurance Session at Intel Developer's Conference (20010227),
and presenetation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/iasrtalk.zip
other references to chip work
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/x959.html#aads
At issue is that there is significant amount of vested interest in preserving the current infrastructure. Eliminating evesdropping, skimming, harvesting, data breach, & other vulnerabilities (as well as needing to "hide" transactions with things like "SSL") ... also eliminates the need for much of the current infrastructures.
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: computer bootlaces Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:04:26 -0400jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
TARP wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troubled_Asset_Relief_Program
congress appropriated $700B ... which turned out to barely make a dent in the triple-A rated toxic CDO problem ... and it would have looked bad to the public if gov. paid face value (a very tiny percentage of the problem) and then took the huge loss (however paying 22cents on the dollar would almost cover the $5.2T held by the four largest too-big-to-fail, but wouldn't have prevented them from failing).
with regard to TARP wiki reference to S&L crash ... old, long-winded
post from jan99
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay3.htm#riskm
also, once it was decided to not use TARP funds to purchase toxic assets and use it for loans ... then it spread out into loans for other than financial institutions ... like bailing out the auto industry.
there was an article (washington post?) early 1980s calling for 100% unearned profit tax on the auto industry. The import auto quotas were supposedly was to provide domestic manufacturs breathing room and profits (from reduced competititon) to completely remake themselves, however, the auto industry just took the profits and used it for business as usuals (executive bonuses, raises, dividends). I've mentioned before that the industry had C4 task force circa 1990 looking at completely remaking themselves. It was supposedly going to heavily leverage IT technology and so several vendors were asked to participate ... and I went to some of the meetings. The auto industry could clearly articulate the problems, the competition, and what they needed to do ... but apparently because of all the vested interests ... they still weren't able to make the changes (it is still not clear that they've made all the changes).
With respect to bailing out the financial industry, the actual heavy lifting was left to the huge trillions provided by the Federal Reserve ... buying triple-A ratded toxic CDOs at nearly face value and providing "loans" at effectively zero cost. It was anticipated that the institutions would use the free money to make lots of loans that would stimulate the economy ... instead they were buying treasuries and booking the spread as profits.
recent reference
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#4 Geithner, Bernanke have little in arsenal to fight new crisis
which is that the "new crisis" ... is actually continuation of the same crisis for mainstreet (having only been temporary breathing spell for wallstreet with the huge trillions from gov & federal reserve). Providing trillions to the too-big-to-fail didn't spur the economy, since they didn't use it (as hoped) for mainstreet loans ... instead bought treasuries and booked the spread as profit (even the TARP loans appeared to be used to buy treasuries ... not lending to mainstreet ... despite what it may have said in the TARP wiki article).
older article about FOIA to get FED to release what it had been doing
($9T):
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/1201/Federal-Reserve-s-astounding-report-We-loaned-banks-trillions
updated with $16T from the FED
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/07/21/audit-fed-gave-16-trillion-in-emergency-loans//
related item on housing activity
Nevada Goes to War Against Bank of America
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2011/09/nevada-goes-to-war-against-bank-of-america.html
this is 2008 estimate that 1000 were responsible for 80% of the
financial mess (gone behind subscription wall but lives on at the
wayback machine) and it would go a long way to correcting the problem if
the gov. could figure out how to eliminate them:
https://web.archive.org/web/20080606084328/http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article.cfm?articleid=1933
Now, GLBA (1999 bank "modernization") repealed Glass-Steagall ... however on the floor of congress leading up to the vote, the rhetoric was the primary purpose was "if you were already a bank you got to remain a bank, but if you weren't already a bank you didn't get to becomes a bank" (specifically calling out walmart and M'soft wouldn't be able to get bank charter).
So GLBA played pivotal part in the current crisis with repeal of Glass-Steagall ... but interestingly it supposedly stopped giving out new bank charters. However, as part of the Federal Reserve actions, it gave out new bank charters to some of the too-big-to-fail investment banking houses ... so that they could (also) have access to some of the "free money" (that supposedly limited to regulated financial institutions with depository institution bank charters) ... which should have been a violation of GLBA.
misc. past posts mentioning getting to play in C4 taskforce meetings
for the auto industry:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#31 IBM obsoleting mainframe hardware
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008c.html#68 Toyota Beats GM in Global Production
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#31 IBM announced z10 ..why so fast...any problem on z 9
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008n.html#4 Michigan industry
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008p.html#77 Tell me why the taxpayer should be saving GM and Chrysler (and Ford) managers & shareholders at this stage of the game?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008q.html#22 Is Pride going to decimate the auto Industry?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#2 China-US Insights on the Future of the Auto Industry
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#3 IBM interprets Lean development's Kaizen with new MCIF product
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#10 64 Cores -- IBM is showing a prototype already
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#31 Why are z/OS people reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#14 360 programs on a z/10
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#47 z9 / z10 instruction speed(s)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#55 Handling multicore CPUs; what the competition is thinking
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#70 Handling multicore CPUs; what the competition is thinking
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#8 Far and near pointers on the 80286 and later
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#75 Favourite computer history books?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#0 Idiotic programming style edicts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#22 60 Minutes News Report:Unemployed for over 99 weeks!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010o.html#59 They always think we don't understand
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#90 PDCA vs. OODA
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#2 Car models and corporate culture: It's all lies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#35 Having left IBM, seem to be reminded that IBM is not the same IBM I had joined
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#34 Boyd's Reading List Revisited
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From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: computer bootlaces Newsgroups: alt.usage.english, alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:23:13 -0400Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
one of time's 25 people responsible for the financial mess:
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877330,00.html
responsible for GLBA & repeal of Glass-Steagall
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm-Leach-Bliley_Act
It initially passed along party lines ... but folklore was that president was going to veto ... they then went back and added other features so that it passed nearly unanimously (making it veto proof).
recent reference
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#53 50th anniversary of BASIC, COBOL?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#54 50th anniversary of BASIC, COBOL?
The time magazine article references both bank modernization act (repeal of Glass-Steagall and several other things) as well as commodity trading modernization act (precluding oversight of derivatives) ... implicated in both Enron as well as AIG. Both legislation played significant role in the economic collapse (as well as numerous agenices doing the past decade doing little regarding remaining regulations).
Phil Gramm's Enron Favor
https://web.archive.org/web/20080711114839/http://www.villagevoice.com/2002-01-15/news/phil-gramm-s-enron-favor/
from above:
A few days after she got the ball rolling on the exemption, Wendy
Gramm resigned from the commission. Enron soon appointed her to its
board of directors, where she served on the audit committee, which
oversees the inner financial workings of the corporation. For this,
the company paid her between $915,000 and $1.85 million in stocks and
dividends, as much as $50,000 in annual salary, and $176,000 in
attendance fees,
... snip ...
Gramm and the 'Enron Loophole'
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/17/business/17grammside.html
from above:
Enron was a major contributor to Mr. Gramm's political campaigns, and
Mr. Gramm's wife, Wendy, served on the Enron board, which she joined
after stepping down as chairwoman of the Commodity Futures Trading
Commission.
... snip ...
Greenspan Slept as Off-Books Debt Escaped Scrutiny
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&refer=home&sid=aYJZOB_gZi0I
from above:
That same year Greenspan, Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and SEC
Chairman Arthur Levitt opposed an attempt by Brooksley Born, head of
the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, to study regulating
over-the-counter derivatives. In 2000, Congress passed a law keeping
them unregulated.
... snip ...
Born must have been fairly quickly replaced by Gramm's wife, before she then left to join Enron (and the Enron audit committee) Gramm's wife apparently was put in as Born's replacement as a temporary stop-gap until Gramm got law passed that exempted regulation. and recent quote seen on the web: Enron was a dry run and it worked so well it has become institutionalized.
past posts mentioning time's 25 people responsible for the financial
mess &/or wharton 1000 people responsible for 80% of the financial mess:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#32 independent appraisers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#44 Fixing finance
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#52 IBM CEO's remuneration last year ?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008g.html#66 independent appraisers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#89 Credit Crisis Timeline
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#4 A Merit based system of reward -Does anybody (or any executive) really want to be judged on merit?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#67 Do you have other examples of how people evade taking resp. for risk
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#73 CROOKS and NANNIES: what would Boyd do?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#77 CROOKS and NANNIES: what would Boyd do?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#79 The Credit Crunch: Why it happened?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009.html#85 Banks' Demise: Why have the Governments hired the foxes to mend the chicken runs?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#1 Are Both The U.S. & UK on the brink of debt disaster?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#11 Amid Economic Turbulence, Mainframes Counter IT Cost-Cutting Trend
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#18 Barbless
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#25 The recently revealed excesses of John Thain, the former CEO of Merrill Lynch, while the firm was receiving $25 Billion in TARP funds makes me sick
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#36 A great article was posted in another BI group: "To H*** with Business Intelligence: 40 Percent of Execs Trust Gut"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#49 US disaster, debts and bad financial management
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#53 Credit & Risk Management ... go Simple ?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009b.html#54 In your opinion, which facts caused the global crise situation?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#11 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#28 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#38 People to Blame for the Financial Crisis
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#39 'WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GLOBAL MELTDOWN'
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#49 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#53 How to defeat new telemarketing tactic
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#55 Who will give Citigroup the KNOCKOUT blow?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009c.html#65 is it possible that ALL banks will be nationalized?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#3 Congress Set to Approve Pay Cap of $500,000
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#10 Who will Survive AIG or Derivative Counterparty Risk?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#28 I need insight on the Stock Market
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#61 Quiz: Evaluate your level of Spreadsheet risk
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#62 Is Wall Street World's Largest Ponzi Scheme where Madoff is Just a Poster Child?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#63 Do bonuses foster unethical conduct?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#73 Should Glass-Steagall be reinstated?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#0 What is swap in the financial market?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#8 The background reasons of Credit Crunch
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#13 Should we fear and hate derivatives?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#23 Should FDIC or the Federal Reserve Bank have the authority to shut down and take over non-bank financial institutions like AIG?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#35 Architectural Diversity
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#20 What is the real basis for business mess we are facing today?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#27 US banking Changes- TARP Proposl
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#29 What is the real basis for business mess we are facing today?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#35 US banking Changes- TARP Proposl
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#38 On whom or what would you place the blame for the sub-prime crisis?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#51 On whom or what would you place the blame for the sub-prime crisis?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009f.html#53 What every taxpayer should know about what caused the current Financial Crisis
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#5 Do the current Banking Results in the US hide a grim truth?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#7 Just posted third article about toxic assets in a series on the current financial crisis
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#33 Treating the Web As an Archive
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009g.html#76 Undoing 2000 Commodity Futures Modernization Act
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009h.html#17 REGULATOR ROLE IN THE LIGHT OF RECENT FINANCIAL SCANDALS
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#54 64 Cores -- IBM is showing a prototype already
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#60 In the USA "financial regulator seeks power to curb excess speculation."
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#74 Administration calls for financial system overhaul
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#77 Financial Regulatory Reform - elimination of loophole allowing special purpose institutions outside Bank Holding Company (BHC) oversigh
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#21 The Big Takeover
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#30 An Amazing Document On Madoff Said To Have Been Sent To SEC In 2005
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#35 what is mortgage-backed securities?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009l.html#5 Internal fraud isn't new, but it's news
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009n.html#56 Opinions on the 'Unix Haters' Handbook'
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#84 Opinions on the 'Unix Haters' Handbook'
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#51 Opinions on the 'Unix Haters' Handbook
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#77 Now is time for banks to replace core system according to Accenture
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#82 Oldest Instruction Set still in daily use?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#92 Who's to Blame for the Meltdown?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010f.html#54 The 2010 Census
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#22 In the News: SEC storms the 'Castle'
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#28 Our Pecora Moment
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#67 The Python and the Mongoose: it helps if you know the rules of engagement
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#38 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010l.html#40 Who is Really to Blame for the Financial Crisis?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#36 Idiotic programming style edicts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#38 Idiotic programming style edicts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010q.html#29 Ernst & Young sued for fraud over Lehman
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#9 I actually miss working at IBM
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#36 On Protectionism
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#38 On Protectionism
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#40 On Protectionism
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#74 The first personal computer (PC)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#52 Are Americans serious about dealing with money laundering and the drug cartels?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#25 US Housing Crisis Is Now Worse Than Great Depression
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011h.html#29 Obama: "We don't have enough engineers"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#8 'Megalomania, Insanity' Fueled Bubble: Munger
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#18 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#19 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011j.html#41 Advice from Richard P. Feynman
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#30 Regulators seek to plug derivatives data gaps
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#53 50th anniversary of BASIC, COBOL?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#54 50th anniversary of BASIC, COBOL?
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