From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:59:27 -0500Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
business news station in real time is talking about lack of investment in infrastructure aka for quite some time, people have been "living off the principle" ... aka prior investment but not maintaining spending on infrastructure to maintain at steady state over extended period of times. at some time, the society is faced with large bill to compensate for lack of spending over the past couple decades (implication is $$$ being diverted for other purposes).
one of the specific points mentioned about highway/road/bridge infrastructure is that gas taxes have remained fixed for quite some time .... if inflation adjusted price of gas between mar81 and now is about the same ... then gas tax not being adjusted ... results in tax as percentage of price/gal declining significantly. I didn't catch 1st part of show, just commentator saying that some civil engineering organization rated the state as worse in the nation for percentage of infrastructure in need of significant repair.
the futher comment is that this is aggravated by (gas tax highway) trust funds being frequently diverted to other things ... again implying country has been living off of (ever decreasing) principal (where established infrastructure is taken as a form of principal that declines/degrades over time if not sufficiently maintained). this is circumstance that can take decades (of neglect) to accumulate (large physical infrastructure, however technology infrastructures can become obsolete in much shorter timeframes).
recent posts mentioning various infrastructure issue
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#97 Loads Weighing Heavily on Roads
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#6 Loads Weighing Heavily on Roads
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#18 Fixing our fraying Internet infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#19 Fixing our fraying Internet infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#60 Fixing our fraying Internet infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#62 Fixing our fraying Internet infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#25 Fixing our fraying Internet infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#48 Half a Century of Crappy Computing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#53 Fixing our fraying Internet infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#58 Fixing our fraying Internet infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#59 Fixing our fraying Internet infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#60 Fixing our fraying Internet infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#70 Latest OECD broadband data puts US in middle of the pack on speed, price
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#1 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#25 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:01:40 -0500Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
Top strategic business challenges for 2008
http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=204202103
from above:
Regulatory and compliance risk is the greatest strategic challenge
facing global businesses in 2008, according to a new report from Ernst &
Young. Other top issues include global financial shocks, aging
workforce, and the inability to capitalize on the rise of the emerging
markets.
... snip ...
references:
The Top 10 Risks for Business
http://www.ey.com/global/content.nsf/International/AABS_-_Strategic_Business_Risk_Report_2008
....
the other thread somewhat intertwined is the diversion of spending from
infrastructure maintenance to other purposes ... not mentioned, for
instance:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#60 Fixing our fraying Internet Infrastructure
from above:
one of the business channels was just interviewing somebody about
sectors for investment ... he commented that there is currently a one
trillion dollar deficit in infrastructure spending (i.e. money that
should have been spent but wasn't for transportation, water, power, etc)
... and as more and more of these infrastructures have various failures
(some catastrophic), at some point they will have to get around spending
the money on refurbishing/renewing/maintenance/etc
... snip ...
also referenced here
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#0 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:18:50 -0500Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
Dollar sinks below 108 yen in N.Y. for 1st time since June 2005+
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8T3EDK00
re:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#34 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
from above:
yen hit a "high" against the dollar of 83yen/dollar in 1995 after being
at 358yen/dollar in 1971 ... between 1995 and current, it did manage to
climb back as "low" as 134 in 2002.
... snip ...
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:50:27 -0500Steve O'Hara-Smith <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
misc. past posts mentioning 3d secure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm6.htm#terror7 [FYI] Did Encryption Empower These Terrorists?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm6.htm#terror10 [FYI] Did Encryption Empower These Terrorists?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm6.htm#terror13 [FYI] Did Encryption Empower These Terrorists?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm6.htm#pcards The end of P-Cards?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay7.htm#3dsecure 3D Secure Vulnerabilities? Photo ID's and Payment Infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay7.htm#3dsecure2 3D Secure Vulnerabilities? Photo ID's and Payment Infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay7.htm#3dsecure4 3D Secure Vulnerabilities? Photo ID's and Payment Infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm7.htm#pcards5 FW: The end of P-Cards?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm7.htm#3dsecure 3D Secure Vulnerabilities?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm8.htm#3dvulner 3D Secure Vulnerabilities?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm8.htm#softpki16 DNSSEC (RE: Software for PKI)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm8.htm#3dvulner3 3D Secure Vulnerabilities?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm9.htm#3dvulner4 3D Secure Vulnerabilities?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm9.htm#3dvulner5 3D Secure Vulnerabilities?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay10.htm#17 Visa 3-D Secure vs MasterCard SPA Whitepaper (forwarded)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay10.htm#37 landscape & p-cards
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay10.htm#76 Invisible Ink, E-signatures slow to broadly catch on (addenda)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm11.htm#19 IBM alternative to PKI?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm11.htm#28 Proposal: A replacement for 3D Secure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm11.htm#29 Proposal: A replacement for 3D Secure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm11.htm#30 Proposal: A replacement for 3D Secure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm11.htm#31 Proposal: A replacement for 3D Secure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm11.htm#37 ALARMED ... Only Mostly Dead ... RIP PKI
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm11.htm#38 ALARMED ... Only Mostly Dead ... RIP PKI ... part II
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm12.htm#1 3D Secure GUI
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm12.htm#2 3D Secure GUI
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm12.htm#3 [3d-secure] NEWS: 3D-Secure and Passport
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm12.htm#4 NEWS: 3D-Secure and Passport
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm12.htm#5 NEWS: 3D-Secure and Passport
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm12.htm#6 NEWS: 3D-Secure and Passport
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm12.htm#7 NEWS: 3D-Secure and Passport
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm12.htm#8 [3d-secure] 3D Secure and EMV
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm12.htm#10 [3d-secure] 3D Secure and EMV
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm15.htm#5 Is cryptography where security took the wrong branch?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm15.htm#8 Is cryptography where security took the wrong branch?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm15.htm#38 FAQ: e-Signatures and Payments
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm15.htm#39 FAQ: e-Signatures and Payments
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm17.htm#27 Re:Identity Firewall. l PKI International Consortium
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay8.htm#epso ePSO-N 10 available on Internet
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005l.html#12 The Worth of Verisign's Brand
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005l.html#21 The Worth of Verisign's Brand
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:57:10 -0500Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
some more detailed discussions
A Financial System under Siege
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7333
Hank Paulson's got an Enron-like crisis that could swamp Citigroup (C)
and JPMorgan (JPM)
http://gs.bloggingstocks.com/2007/10/14/hank-paulsons-got-an-enron-like-crisis-that-could-swamp-citigro/
ECB chief wants more control of credit rating agencies
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/business/news/article_1375876.php/ECB_chief_wants_more_control_of_credit_rating_agencies
somewhat related
Has the Dollar Hit Bottom?
http://seekingalpha.com/article/54195-has-the-dollar-hit-bottom
Emerging markets: India and China are the investors' haven
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/11/10/cmindia10.xml
other recent posts mentioning currency valuation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#34 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#35 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#88 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#67 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#1 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#2 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 03:18:07 -0500Steve O'Hara-Smith <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
did something along this lines in the FAST project ... financially
authentication secure transaction ... riding existing 8583 rails
... except asking for yes/no authentication/authorization for financial
transactions, it proposed doing something similar for other kinds of
questions ... like "greater than 21". basically, single roundtrip,
straight-through processing, x9.59-like transaction
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/x959.html#x959
a couple recent posts mentioning FAST
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#10 The logic of privacy
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#12 One Time Identification, a request for comments/testing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#15 The new urgency to fix online privacy
disclaimer, were doing some consulting for one of the individuals responsible for creating FSTC at the time it was being set up.
recent posts in this subthread
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#63 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#10 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#59 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#62 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#3 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
other older posts mentioning FAST
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ansiepay.htm#privacy more on privacy
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ansiepay.htm#x959demo X9.59/AADS demos operational
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay6.htm#userauth MS masters NC mind-set (authentication is the key)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm9.htm#cfppki3 CFP: PKI research workshop
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm9.htm#cfppki4 CFP: PKI research workshop
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsmore.htm#x959demo AADS & X9.59 demos at BAI (annual world-wide retail banking) show in miami next week
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay10.htm#8 FSTC to Validate WAP 1.2.1 Specification for Mobile Commerce
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay10.htm#31 some certification & authentication landscape summary from recent threads
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay11.htm#58 PKI's not working
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay11.htm#66 Confusing Authentication and Identiification?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay11.htm#67 Confusing Authentication and Identiification?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay11.htm#70 Confusing Authentication and Identiification? (addenda)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm11.htm#40 ALARMED ... Only Mostly Dead ... RIP PKI ... part II
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm11.htm#42 ALARMED ... Only Mostly Dead ... RIP PKI ... part III
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm12.htm#3 [3d-secure] NEWS: 3D-Secure and Passport
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm12.htm#39 Identification = Payment Transaction?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm12.htm#41 I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-pkix-sim-00.txt
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm12.htm#54 TTPs & AADS Was: First Data Unit Says It's Untangling Authentication
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm16.htm#5 DOD prepares for credentialing pilot
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm17.htm#19 PKI International Consortium
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm26.htm#24 News.com: IBM donates new privacy tool to open-source Higgins
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm26.htm#29 News.com: IBM donates new privacy tool to open-source Higgins
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#171 checks (was S/390 on PowerPC?)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#216 Ask about Certification-less Public Key
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#217 AADS/X9.59 demo & standards at BAI (world-wide retail banking) show
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002o.html#57 Certificate Authority: Industry vs. Government
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005l.html#36 More Phishing scams, still no SSL being used
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005l.html#37 More Phishing scams, still no SSL being used
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005l.html#42 More Phishing scams, still no SSL being used
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006f.html#35 X.509 and ssh
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:11:48 -0500Bernd Felsche <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> writes:
one of the issues was cross-over I've mentioned when we were called to
come in to help word-smith the cal state (and later federal) electronic
signature legislation.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subpubkey.html#signature
Some of the other organizations involved in the electronic signature act were also involved in various breach disclosure and personal information sharing (opt-in/opt-out) legislation. Part of the breach disclosure and personal information sharing activity involved doing some more detailed studies of the associated threats and vulnerabilities and more information regarding all the types of identity theft.
Part of the more detailed look was consumer surveys about privacy coming up with two major issues were 1) identity theft and 2) denial of service (by institutions; gov. services, commercial services, jobs, insurance, etc)
The other part was attempting to do more detailed taxonomy for identity theft ... where several institutions are looking to differentiate account fraud (fraudulent transactions against existing accounts) and identity fraud (frequently opening new accounts using personal information).
This led is to also looking at security classifications for personal data and more detailed threat and vulnerability analysis. One of the things we came up with is rather (and/or in addition) to labeling personal data with security classifications, labeling personal data as to the associated threat and vulnerability ... and then establishing countermeasures based on the threat and vulnerability ... as opposed to establishing countermeasures based on security classification.
A trivial semantic example we came up with was date-of-birth used in the
insurance industry. The insurance industry uses date-of-birth to
establish age as part of various kinds of insurance. On the other hand,
date-of-birth is frequently used as form of something you know
authentication ... and therefor represents a fraud threat and
vulnerability. So a trivial operation ... rather than supplying
insurance agents with date-of-birth ... provide them with real-time,
online system that automatically converts date-of-birth to age (and
never divulges date-of-birth). This is also somewhat related to
the FSTC FAST proposal mentioned recently in this post:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#5 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
We had earlier done something analogous when working in the x9a10
financial standard working group in the mid-90s (which had been
given the requirement to preserve the integrity of the financial
infrastructure for all retail payments)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/x959.html#x959
Some detailed threat and vulnerability studies showed that just knowlege of account number (with or w/o slightly more additional information that was normally part of every transaction) would enable an attacker to perform a fraudulent transaction. The kneejerk reaction was to attempt to "hide" all that information. However, detailed end-to-end business process analysis showed that the information was required in a large number of different business processes possibly that extended over (at least) several month (or couple yr) time period.
As a result, the x9.59 financial standard approach was to eliminate the
information as a threat/vulnerability; harvesting/skimming/breaching
the transaction information
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#harvest
... attackers would not be enabled to perform fraudulent transactions.
One of the major issues was that preserving much more detailed
vulnerability and threat semantic associations/details
... helps/enables more innovative solutions (which doesn't simply
degenerate to deciding how the information is to be stored ... and/or
encrypted). somewhat related topic drift with posts mentioning the
naked transaction metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#payments
misc. past posts mentioning working on x9.99 financial industry privacy
standard
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm17.htm#21 Identity (was PKI International Consortium)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm17.htm#45 x9.99 financial PIA standard now available from ANSI e-store
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm17.htm#47 authentication and authorization ... addenda
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm18.htm#28 x9.99 privacy note
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm18.htm#32 EMV cards as identity cards
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm19.htm#35 de-identification
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm20.htm#2 US consumers want companies fined for security breaches
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm25.htm#21 Identity v. anonymity -- that is not the question
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm25.htm#26 Fraudwatch - how much a Brit costs, how to be a 419-er, Sarbanes-Oxley rises as fraud rises, the real Piracy
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm25.htm#33 Mozilla moves on security
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm26.htm#57 Our security sucks. Why can't we change? What's wrong with us?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm27.htm#51 Know Your Enemy: Scott McNeally on security theater
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004l.html#8 x9.99 privacy impact assessemnt (PIA) standard
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005l.html#36 More Phishing scams, still no SSL being used
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005t.html#9 phishing web sites using self-signed certs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005u.html#18 XBOX 360
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005v.html#3 ABN Tape - Found
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006e.html#44 Does the Data Protection Act of 2005 Make Sense
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006o.html#37 the personal data theft pandemic continues
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006q.html#25 garlic.com
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006v.html#39 On sci.crypt: New attacks on the financial PIN processing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#61 Securing financial transactions a high priority for 2007
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007c.html#10 Securing financial transactions a high priority for 2007
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007f.html#72 Securing financial transactions a high priority for 2007
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#15 T.J. Maxx data theft worse than first reported
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#13 EZPass: Yes, Big Brother IS Watching You!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#26 The new urgency to fix online privacy
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#29 The new urgency to fix online privacy
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#55 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Identity Theft Prevention tips Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:28:22 -0500jmfbahciv writes:
older posts mentioning differentiating identity theft into (at least)
account fraud and identity fraud:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm8.htm#rhose16 when a fraud is a sale, Re: Rubber hose attack
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay11.htm#3 Ministers to Act on Rise in Identity Theft
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay11.htm#47 Actual Losses To Identity Fraud Top $1 Billion
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm16.htm#0 Identity Fraud costs Austrilia AU$1 billion a year
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm20.htm#2 US consumers want companies fined for security breaches
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm20.htm#17 the limits of crypto and authentication
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm25.htm#21 Identity v. anonymity -- that is not the question
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003m.html#51 public key vs passwd authentication?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005l.html#36 More Phishing scams, still no SSL being used
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005p.html#24 Hi-tech no panacea for ID theft woes
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006d.html#25 Caller ID "spoofing"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006d.html#26 Caller ID "spoofing"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#40 Identity Management Best Practices
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007c.html#22 Securing financial transactions a high priority for 2007
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007e.html#29 Securing financial transactions a high priority for 2007
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007e.html#58 Securing financial transactions a high priority for 2007
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#19 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#30 EZPass: Yes, Big Brother IS Watching You!
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 14:09:49 -0500Steve O'Hara-Smith <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
as an aside ... we covered large parts of this infrastructure as part of
the person-centric effort ... recent posts/references
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#59 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#62 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#65 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
... and there were some number of patents that were filed (for which we
have no rights/interest)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/x959.html#aads
and
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadssummary.htm
part of the effort was being able to even demonstrate COMMON CRITERIA evaluation ... not only as part of registration (in support of getting institutions to accept transition to person-centric tokens) ... but even if necessary on a per transaction basis ... as part of something referred to as parameterised risk management (i.e. up-to-date security/integrity assesement of any particular token could be taken into account in real time with respect to the integrity requirements needed for any specific transaction).
We raised the issue of real-time parameterised risk management with some of the people behind the x.509 identity digital certificate version three extensions.
... while we strongly advocated real-time authentication certificate-less
operations
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subpubkey.html#certless
... and that digital certificates should be restricted to the environment for which they were originally invented, aka the offline environment where the relying party has no other recourse to information about first time interactions with total strangers (aka the letters of credit/introduction from sailing ship days)
... that if digital certificates were going to be used ... then some additional useful information that might be of interest to relying parties is the assessed integrity of the associated components (in public key scenario, the evaluated integrity level surrounding the private key ... and if a token is involved, the evaluated integrity level of the token ... including real-time updates as new compromises are discovered).
for example ... one of the most prevalent internet/web authentication
infrastructures is RADIUS
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subpubkey.html#radius
and one of the most common local authentication mechanism (including
basis for windows platform infrastructures) is kerberos
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subpubkey.html#kerberos
have extensions for whether or not the authentication involves a hardware token ... assuming hardware token represents stronger integrity ... but typically don't go further by including security evulations for different tokens ... again which becomes a person-centric characteristic (potentially because different person-centric tokens might have different security characteristics).
past posts mentioning parameterised risk management (even being able
to do near real-time updates and assessment).
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsmore.htm#bioinfo3 QC Bio-info leak?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsmore.htm#biosigs biometrics and electronic signatures
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay3.htm#x959risk1 Risk Management in AA / draft X9.59
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm3.htm#cstech4 cardtech/securetech & CA PKI
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm3.htm#cstech9 cardtech/securetech & CA PKI
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm3.htm#kiss2 Common misconceptions, was Re: KISS for PKIX. (Was: RE: ASN.1 vs XML (used to be RE: I-D ACTION :draft-ietf-pkix-scvp-00.txt))
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay6.htm#x959b X9.59 Electronic Payment standard issue
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm12.htm#17 Overcoming the potential downside of TCPA
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm19.htm#15 Loss Expectancy in NPV calculations
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm19.htm#44 massive data theft at MasterCard processor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm19.htm#46 the limits of crypto and authentication
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm21.htm#5 Is there any future for smartcards?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm21.htm#8 simple (&secure??) PW-based web login (was Re: Another entry in the internet security hall of shame....)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm23.htm#1 RSA Adaptive Authentication
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm23.htm#27 Chip-and-Pin terminals were replaced by "repairworkers"?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm25.htm#1 Crypto to defend chip IP: snake oil or good idea?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm25.htm#2 Crypto to defend chip IP: snake oil or good idea?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm26.htm#35 Failure of PKI in messaging
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm3.htm#cstech3 cardtech/securetech & CA PKI
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#235 Attacks on a PKI
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#238 Attacks on a PKI
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000.html#46 question about PKI...
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000.html#57 RealNames hacked. Firewall issues.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005k.html#23 More on garbage
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#40 Why are smart cards so dumb?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006o.html#20 Gen 2 EPC Protocol Approved as ISO 18000-6C
misc posts mentioning common criteria, protection profiles, security
evaluations, etc
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay4.htm#x9flb12 LB#12 Protection Profiles
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm5.htm#asrn4 assurance, X9.59, etc
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm12.htm#13 anybody seen (EAL5) semi-formal specification for FIPS186-2/x9.62 ecdsa?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm12.htm#14 Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm12.htm#19 TCPA not virtualizable during ownership change (Re: Overcoming the potential downside of TCPA)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm13.htm#20 surrogate/agent addenda (long)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm14.htm#32 An attack on paypal
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm15.htm#23 NCipher Takes Hardware Security To Network Level
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm16.htm#1 FAQ: e-Signatures and Payments
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm16.htm#8 example: secure computing kernel needed
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm17.htm#26 privacy, authentication, identification, authorization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm18.htm#41 Adding reliability and trust to smartcards
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm18.htm#47 Dell to Add Security Chip to PCs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm18.htm#48 Dell to Add Security Chip to PCs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm21.htm#4 Another entry in the internet security hall of shame
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm24.htm#23 Use of TPM chip for RNG?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm24.htm#26 Naked Payments IV - let's all go naked
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm25.htm#1 Crypto to defend chip IP: snake oil or good idea?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm25.htm#40 Why security training is really important (and it ain't anything to do with security!)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm27.htm#10 K6 again, again and again. Therefore, H6.4 -- Compromise on Security before Delivery
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm27.htm#37 The bank fraud blame game
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm27.htm#48 If your CSO lacks an MBA, fire one of you
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001.html#50 What exactly is the status of the Common Criteria
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001b.html#47 what is interrupt mask register?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001i.html#55 Computer security: The Future
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001l.html#15 Security Classifications? (Where to Find Info)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002c.html#15 Opinion on smartcard security requested
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002e.html#17 Smart Cards
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002f.html#23 Computers in Science Fiction
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002h.html#71 history of CMS
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002h.html#84 history of CMS
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002j.html#40 Beginner question on Security
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002j.html#84 formal fips186-2/x9.62 definition for eal 5/6 evaluation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002j.html#86 formal fips186-2/x9.62 definition for eal 5/6 evaluation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002k.html#11 Serious vulnerablity in several common SSL implementations?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002k.html#35 ... certification
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002l.html#42 Thirty Years Later: Lessons from the Multics Security Evaluation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002l.html#44 Thirty Years Later: Lessons from the Multics Security Evaluation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002l.html#45 Thirty Years Later: Lessons from the Multics Security Evaluation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002m.html#8 Backdoor in AES ?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002m.html#10 Backdoor in AES ?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002m.html#44 Beware, Intel to embed digital certificates in Banias
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002m.html#58 The next big things that weren't
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002m.html#72 Whatever happened to C2 "Orange Book" Windows security?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002n.html#13 Help! Good protocol for national ID card?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002n.html#16 Help! Good protocol for national ID card?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002o.html#78 Newsgroup cliques?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002p.html#6 unix permissions
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003b.html#0 Disk drives as commodities. Was Re: Yamhill
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003c.html#39 DOD 5200.28-STD capable OS?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#35 electronic-ID and key-generation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#36 electronic-ID and key-generation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#59 grey-haired assembler programmers (Ritchie's C)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003j.html#4 A Dark Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003j.html#36 CC vs. NIST/TCSEC - Which do you prefer?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003k.html#3 Ping: Anne & Lynn Wheeler
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003k.html#48 Who said DAT?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003k.html#51 Linux gets sensitive government use approval
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003l.html#19 Secure OS Thoughts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003l.html#64 Can you use ECC to produce digital signatures? It doesn't see
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003m.html#1 Password / access rights check
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003m.html#18 Threat Analysis and Threat Trees
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003o.html#5 perfomance vs. key size
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004b.html#48 Automating secure transactions
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004b.html#51 Using Old OS for Security
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004f.html#20 Why does Windows allow Worms?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004h.html#2 Adventure game (was:PL/? History (was Hercules))
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004h.html#30 ECC Encryption
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004i.html#27 New Method for Authenticated Public Key Exchange without Digital Certificates
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004j.html#2 Authenticated Public Key Exchange without Digital Certificates?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004j.html#29 Vintage computers are better than modern crap !
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004j.html#41 Vintage computers are better than modern crap !
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004l.html#21 "Perfect" or "Provable" security both crypto and non-crypto?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004m.html#25 Shipwrecks
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004m.html#41 EAL5
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004m.html#49 EAL5
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004m.html#50 EAL5
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004m.html#53 4GHz is the glass ceiling?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004n.html#41 Multi-processor timing issue
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004o.html#20 RISCs too close to hardware?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004o.html#57 Integer types for 128-bit addressing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004p.html#42 chip inside smart card is firmware?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004q.html#2 [Lit.] Buffer overruns
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004q.html#3 [Lit.] Buffer overruns
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005b.html#5 Relocating application architecture and compiler support
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005c.html#6 [Lit.] Buffer overruns
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005c.html#67 intel's Vanderpool and virtualization in general
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005d.html#33 Thou shalt have no other gods before the ANSI C standard
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005d.html#38 Thou shalt have no other gods before the ANSI C standard
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005d.html#59 Misuse of word "microcode"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005g.html#40 MVS secure configuration standard
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005h.html#13 Today's mainframe--anything to new?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005j.html#46 Public disclosure of discovered vulnerabilities
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005k.html#30 Public disclosure of discovered vulnerabilities
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005k.html#43 Determining processor status without IPIs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005m.html#12 IBM's mini computers--lack thereof
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006e.html#15 About TLB in lower-level caches
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006i.html#0 The Pankian Metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006j.html#27 virtual memory
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006k.html#37 PDP-1
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006p.html#13 What part of z/OS is the OS?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006p.html#42 old hypervisor email
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006q.html#36 Was FORTRAN buggy?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006r.html#11 Was FORTRAN buggy?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006t.html#38 Vulnerability Assessment of a EAL 4 system
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006v.html#38 vmshare
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#12 Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#30 How many 36-bit Unix ports in the old days?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#47 newbie need help (ECC and wireless)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#55 IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007f.html#73 Is computer history taught now?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#26 user level TCP implementation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#39 My Dream PC -- Chip-Based
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#53 Drums: Memory or Peripheral?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#55 Scholars needed to build a computer history bibliography
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#58 Is Parallel Programming Just Too Hard?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#50 64 gig memory
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#67 1401 simulator for OS/360
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#32 what does xp do when system is copying
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#34 what does xp do when system is copying
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#17 Oddly good news week: Google announces a Caps library for Javascript
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#31 multics source is now open
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: How the pages tables of each segment is located Newsgroups: comp.arch,alt.os.development,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:03:16 -0500johnl@iecc.com (John L) writes:
Researcher: CPU No-Execute Bit Is No Big Security Deal
http://www.techweb.com/wire/security/166403451
'No Execute' Flag Waves Off Buffer Attacks
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55209-2005Feb26.html
What's the new /NoExecute switch that's added to the boot.ini file
http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/46302/46302.html
CPU-Based Security: The NX Bit
http://hardware.earthweb.com/chips/article.php/3358421
A detailed description of the Data Execution Prevention (DEP) feature in
Windows XP Service Pack 2, Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005, and
Windows Server 2003
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/875352
misc. past posts mentioning buffer overflow
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#overflow
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 22:26:33 -0500Bernd Felsche <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> writes:
the early chip proposal was that substantial medical records were stored in the chip and were carried by individual so that at scene of emergency, EMT/paramedic/firstresponder could utilize the information to help direct/decide medical care.
assumptions were that EMT/paramedic/firstresponder had time, resources and training to process significant medical records (from the chip) and use the information to direct emergency medical care AND didn't have online access to realtime information and/or professional medical personel (i.e. sort of implies being able to provide sophisticated medical care with out needing a doctor's authorization)
the counterargument was that the situation where all assumptions held true would be so rare as to make it highly improbable, if not fantasy.
for additional topic drift
Commonly Held Misconceptions About Disasters
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=11629&page=193
some wiki references
Triage
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triage
First Responders
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certified_first_responder
Emergency medical technician
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_medical_technician
Paramedic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramedic
So this is a long winded reference regarding quality improvement
for emergency medical services systems
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/ems/leaderguide/
within this framework, the "chip" assertion for accident/emergency scene treatment by EMT/paramedic/firstresponder would substantially improve treatment outcomes (in order to justify the significant expenditure for chips, chip processing equipment, and additional personal training hrs.) Furthermore, given limited fund assumptions, the treatment outcome improvements (for personal "chip" medical records for the whole population) per dollar spent, needs to be superior to other alternatives for improving treatment outcomes (this is sort of an organizational analogy to triage).
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:33:10 -0500Bernd Felsche <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> writes:
this reference claims that there were approx. 192,000 EMTs and
paramedics in 2004.
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos101.htm
say there are only 100 people with some condition ... the training cost/issue isn't the number of people with the condition ... the training cost/issue is the number of people that have to be trained (192,000) ... once it has been decided that it is necessary to train them about the condition/treatment (independent of the number of people with the condition).
for some additional topic drift
How Many Paramedics Does It Take To...?
http://www.emsresponder.com/print/Firehouse-Magazine---EMS-Features/How-Many-Paramedics-Does-It-Take-To/3$2307
and for even more topic drift:
2,000 Hours to train a Paramedic?
http://www.fd-doc.com/2000Hours.htm
the above article makes a case that paramedic 2000hr training requirement could be reduced to 200hrs ... and then train ten times as many people ... giving a much better bang-for-the-buck
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:15:02 -0500Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
and
SMBs and the Subprime Catastrophe: Service Makes the Difference
http://www.crmbuyer.com/story/60448.html
somewhat alludes to local community banks keeping control of their mortgage loans and not letting things get out of hand.
and in this periodically referenced, long-winded, old post
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay3.htm#riskm Thread Between Risk Management and Information Security
part of the discussion was regarding information transparency/trust in the quality/rating of the credit backed securities.
with a little x-over from these sub-threads
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#55 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#56 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#3 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#6 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#8 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
with reference to electronic signature ... the theory was that the quality of individual mortgages would be "attested" to (electronically signed) and that (individual loan) quality information would be carried along as groups of loans were packaged for sale. This is the Information Security part of the posting's subject. That detailed information about individual loans would then be available as well as the ratings given the combined package of loans (from any credit rating agency) ... i.e. the Risk Management part of the posting's subject.
Part of what prompted this posting was earlier experience with things like individual (mortgage) property appraisals ... where supposedly an expensive building/structure might be involved and it turned out to actually be an empty lot.
other recent posts mentioning the old post:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#30 How many 36-bit Unix ports in the old days?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#33 security engineering versus information security
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007c.html#11 Decoding the encryption puzzle
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007e.html#24 Securing financial transactions a high priority for 2007
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#64 sizeof() was: The Perfect Computer - 36 bits?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#66 sizeof() was: The Perfect Computer - 36 bits?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#12 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#0 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#46 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#75 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#51 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#53 Windows Monitor or CUSP? [was ReJohn W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies]
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#50 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#60 Fixing our fraying Internet infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#1 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#25 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#28 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:40:13 -0500Roland Hutchinson <my.spamtrap@verizon.net> writes:
misc. past posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#19 Another "migration" from the mainframe
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#6 Loads Weighing Heavily on Roads
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#7 what does xp do when system is copying
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#60 Fixing our fraying Internet infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#68 Newseek articles--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#0 Newseek articles--baby boomers and computers
this also harks back to the comptroller general's (appointed in mid-90s
for 15yr term) comment about nobody in congress has been able to do
middle school arithmetic for at least the past 50 yrs. misc. recent
references:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#20 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#91 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#19 Another "migration" from the mainframe
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#74 Horrid thought about Politics, President Bush, and Democrats
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#22 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#7 what does xp do when system is copying
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#1 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:21:59 -0500re:
GAO page
http://www.gao.gov/
Comptroller General page
http://www.gao.gov/cghome/
above page has section on selected 2007 presentations ... including
Saving Our Future Requires Tough Choices Today
http://www.gao.gov/cghome/d08241cg.pdf
first page in the above gives percent of federal spending for 1966, 1986 and 2006
1966 1986 2006 defense 43 28 20 net interest 7 14 9 all other spending 34 29 32 social security 15 20 21 medicare 1 10 19past posts reference projections that social program obligations growing to $40trillion, totally swamping all other spending.
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:20:39 -0500Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
1966 1986 2006
defense 43 28 20
net interest 7 14 9
all other spending 34 29 32
social security 15 20 21
medicare 1 10 19
past posts reference projections that social program obligations growing
to $40trillion, totally swamping all other spending.
the above page/chart appears in some of the other presentations on the comptroller general's webpage ... including:
America's Fiscal Future and Retirement Security
http://www.gao.gov/cghome/d08236cg.pdf
the above also talks about the robustness of the country's economy
going forward ... including:
The United States may be the only superpower, but compared to most other
OECD countries on selected key economic, social, and environmental
indicators, on the average, the U.S. ranks
16 out of 28
... snip ...
which strays in the ability of the country to maintain its competitive position in a global environment.
also from same presentation:
Increased global interdependence and rapid technology advancement in
the financial services industry pose significant challenges to U.S.
regulatory institutions:
• Globalization has become increasingly prevalent as technology
allows the quick and easy movement of money around the world,
challenging regulators whose authority is defined by national
boarders
• The financial services sector has been and continues to be one
of the most technologically sophisticated, whether in adapting
technology to new uses or providing incentives to develop
state-of-the-art products to solve a range of risk management
problems
... snip ...
which drifts into this other thread:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#12 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
and this old, long-winded post:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay3.htm#riskm Thread Between Risk Management and Information Security
for quite a bit additional topic drift there is the council on
competitiveness
http://www.compete.org/
which has some overlap with our work in the 80s on nsfnet backbone
activity
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#nsfnet
... and old email
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#nsfnet
where tcp/ip is the technology basis for the modern internet, the nsfnet backbone was the operational basis for the modern internet and CIX was the business basis for the modern internet.
other reference from the council web pages:
Bechmarking Competitiveness Economic Trends
http://www.compete.org/et/
recent posts along this line:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#6 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#7 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#34 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#35 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#52 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#68 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#42 Experts: Education key to U.S. competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#22 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#20 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#21 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#22 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#15 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#18 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#22 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#32 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#33 Students mostly not ready for math, science college courses
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#36 Students mostly not ready for math, science college courses
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#70 Latest OECD broadband data puts US in middle of the pack on speed, price
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: segmentation or lack thereof Newsgroups: comp.arch,alt.os.development,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.sys.unisys Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:16:52 -0500johnl@iecc.com (John L) writes:
misc. recent posts mentioning common segment
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#59 IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is falling!!)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#27 user level TCP implementation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#10 IBM 8000 series
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#26 Does software life begin at 40? IBM updates IMS database
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#68 Direction of Stack Growth
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#56 CSA 'above the bar'
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#69 CSA 'above the bar'
the ingrained (MVS) "common segment" even resulted in custom hardware support in later machine generations. in lots of implementations, table-look-aside (TLB) hardware implementation is virtual address space "associative" (each TLB entry is associated with a specific virtual address space). Segment sharing can result in the same virtual address (information) in the same (shared) segment appearing multiple times in the TLB (associated with use by specific virtual address spaces). The "common segment" use was so prevalent in MVS ... that it justified special TLB handling ... where the dominant TLB association was virtual address space ... but there was a special case for common segment entries ... to eliminate all the (unncessary) duplicate entries.
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:15:09 -0500CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> writes:
so far as we know the USD vis-a-vis the EURO has changed ... but as in the case of the yen ... the USD had "fallen" to an all-time historical low of 83yen/dollar in 1995 and managed to climb back to 134yen/dollar in 2002, since adjusting to around 108 (the dollar is still above the historical low against the yen in 1995).
one of the justifications for moving to the EURO was that the aggregate EU economy was "stronger" and would strengthen the corresponding currency (vis-a-vis what was possible for the individual currencies). the current change could be the expected result of the EURO rising to anticipated level (vis-a-vis the dollar, i.e. major justification behind the european union and the euro).
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:42:19 -0500Roland Hutchinson <my.spamtrap@verizon.net> writes:
... as the gao numbers show the service on the debt isn't a big issue,
double from 7percent of total budget in 66 to 14percent in 86 before
dropping back to 9percent in 2006
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#14 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#15 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
defense better than halved from 66 to 2006 from 43percent of total budget to 20percent. it was the other stuff related to social programs ... SS & medicare exploded from 16percent of total budget in 66 to 40percent of total budget in 2006 ... and projections are that just existing unfunded mandates can prompt it to continue to explode until it totally swamps everything else. even if the defense 20percent of budget was eliminated and all converted to social programs ... it would provide only a temporary stopgap.
the confidence and strength in the dollar is related to the confidence
and size of the overall economy along with numerous long-term issues. as
alluded to here, there are significant long-term, difficult issues at
work
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#15 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
including changing global competitiveness ... alluded to here
as part of justification behind the formation of the EU and euro
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#17 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
there are other factors which can be interpreted as the value of the euro increasing (as opposed to just the value of the dollar decreasing)
re:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#67 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#2 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
What is the European Monetary Union?
http://www.uiowa.edu/ifdebook/faq/faq_docs/EMU.shtml
from above:
The European states want the euro to become one of the premier
currencies in the international financial market, alongside the dollar
and the yen.
... snip ...
a couple wiki refs
Economic and Monetary Union of the European Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_and_Monetary_Union_of_the_European_Union
European System of Central Banks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_System_of_Central_Banks
Euro notes and coins are introduced in January 2002.
1jan2002 23nov2007 .9 usd/eur 1.4 usd/eur Euro increased 55% against usd 119 yen/eur 160 yen/eur Euro increased 34% against yenif the only factor at work was the decreasing value of the dollar, then the correspondence between the euro and the yen would have remained constant and the dollar would have declined by the same amount against both the euro and the yen.
as noted in the previous posts, the yen rose to a record high of 83/dollar in 95 before dropping to a low of 134/dollar in 2002 and now stands about half way between at 108.
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:08:03 -0500Steve O'Hara-Smith <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
then there was big upswing in outsourcing ... especially for the
smaller financial institutions that didn't have the scale to
adequately support in-house operations. the outsourcing operations
provided all the necessary dataprocessing for financial institutions
... including things like disaster survivability and geographic
survivability ... terms we coined when we were out marketing our
ha/cmp product
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hacmp
the outsourcing operations are also subject to significant regulatory compliance auditing. there were also subject to significant audit operations with regard to meeting y2k remediation requirements. they also tend to have detailed service level agreement contracts that have to be met.
the outsourcing provided the appearance to individual institutions as if it was still in-house operation, including individual institution "ownership" of the related records and control over various policies and practices.
more recently there has been significant consolidation going on in financial institution market segments ... and so you see somewhat swing back to in-house dataprocessing for the largest financial institutions. however, at one point there was observation that something like 90 percent of transactions were handled at something like six datacenters.
in any case, i would expect equivalent would show up for computerized medical records ... entities like large HMOs would provide their own dataprocessing and smaller operations would outsource.
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: UK Retail Giant Breached by Insider Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:18:25 -0500Tesco online store 'is infiltrated by insider card fraudster'
(some topic drift, the above article attempts some comic relief with some embedded URLs)
we had been called in by this small client/server startup that wanted to
do payment transactions on their server ... they also had this
technology they called SSL they wanted used ... that had to be converted
into business processes. some past references
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#gateway
doing some detailed end-to-end threats and vulnerabilities studies
... came up with a number of suggestions ... including possible things
like requiring security background checks on all employees ... misc.
past posts mentioning background check requirement
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm6.htm#terror3 [FYI] Did Encryption Empower These Terrorists?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay11.htm#72 Account Numbers. Was: Confusing Authentication and Identiification? (addenda)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm21.htm#34 X.509 / PKI, PGP, and IBE Secure Email Technologies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm22.htm#18 "doing the CA statement shuffle" and other dances
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001j.html#5 E-commerce security????
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001j.html#54 Does "Strong Security" Mean Anything?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005v.html#4 ABN Tape - Found
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006.html#33 The new High Assurance SSL Certificates
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006d.html#28 Caller ID "spoofing"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#8 Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007c.html#6 Securing financial transactions a high priority for 2007
one of the topic drifts ... are studies that find the majority of fraud of this kind (security breaches, data breaches, etc) typical involve some insider.
later when we were involved in x9a10 financial standards working group
that had been the requirement to preserve the integrity of the financial
infrastructure for all retail payments (aka ALL, credit, debit, gift,
stored-value, ach, internet, point-of-sale, etc) in the x9.59 financial
standard
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/x959.html#x959
doing (more) detailed end-to-end threats and vulnerability assessements, it became fairly apparent not only was detailed security background checks not sufficient (and therefor not very cost effective) ... in part because the information was needed in so many places. as a result, x9.59 standard took a slightly different approach ... rather than trying to keep the information out of the hands of attackers and crooks ... eliminate the information as a source for enabling fraudulent transactions.
various issues regarding (futility of) attempting to close all possibly
vulnerabilities are discussed in postings mentioning the naked
transaction metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#payments
instead of the x9.59 financial standard paradigm change which eliminates (knowledge of) the information as a threat/vulnerability.
past posts mentioning risks, threats, vulnerabilities, exploits, and/or fraud
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#fraud
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: How the pages tables of each segment is located Newsgroups: comp.arch,alt.os.development,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:20:17 -0500Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
hot off the press:
Buffer Overflows Are Top Threat, Report Says
http://www.darkreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=139871
from above:
Research data says buffer overflow bugs outnumber Web app vulnerabilities, and some severe Microsoft bugs are on the decline
... snip ...
as before ... lots of past posts mentioning buffer overlow
threat/problems
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#overflow
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: 'Man in the browser' is new threat to online banking Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:53:29 -0500'Man in the browser' is new threat to online banking
from above:
Perpetrators act as a 'man in the browser' by intercepting HTML code in
the Web browser. As bank security measures curb more traditional threats
such as keystroke logging, phishing and pharming, F-Secure warned, the
'man in the browser' attack will increase.
... snip ...
end-point compromises have also been a major attack point for harvesting
information
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#harvest
and one of the long-term recognized vulnerabiltiy/threat when "static data" operations are involved (i.e. fraud is possibly by simply recording prior operations ... and enabling things like replay attacks).
countermeasures to long recognized PC vulnerability/threat was the EU
"FINREAD" standard from the 90s
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#finread
... which was an external attachment to the PC which its on pin-pad input and display ... that was highly restricted to any loadable programming (and therefor nearly impossible to inject worms, trojans, harvisting). The EU FINREAD external pin-pad operation made it nearly impossible for trojans not only to record and export critical information but was also countermeasure of trojans actually originating fraudulent transactions from the infected PC.
the other part of the harvesting countermeasure was introduction of
transaction level authentication using other than static data
... discussed in past posts mentioning naked transaction metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#payments
However, one of the things that happened in the early part of this
decade was a failed attempt to introduce much less well designed and
thot-out devices into the consumer PC market. The resulting disasters
for consumers created the impression that such devices weren't practical
in the consumer PC market. However, it wasn't that all such devices were
impractical ... it was that devices that were extremely consumer
unfriendly that were not practical. Detailed postmortems of the aborted
deployments identified what the significant shortcomings in the consumer
PC market actually were. recent posts about this aborted attempted
deployments with long lasting after effects on security in the consumer
market:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm10.htm#keygen2 Welome to the Internet, here's your private key
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm23.htm#43 Spring is here - that means Pressed Flowers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm23.htm#50 Status of SRP
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm27.htm#34 The bank fraud blame game
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm27.htm#35 The bank fraud blame game
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm27.htm#37 The bank fraud blame game
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm27.htm#38 The bank fraud blame game
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm27.htm#39 The bank fraud blame game
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002m.html#37 Convenient and secure eCommerce using POWF
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002m.html#39 Convenient and secure eCommerce using POWF
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003n.html#35 ftp authentication via smartcard
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#60 Poll: oldest computer thing you still use
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#65 Poll: oldest computer thing you still use
lots of past fraud, threats, vulnerabilities, exploits, risk postings
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#fraud
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: SMF Under VM Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:05:27 -0500dgkopischke@OPPENHEIMERFUNDS.COM (Kopischke, David G.) writes:
other infrastructures have tended to have accounted for processor busy which has been less than total/actual cpu busy (measured by other methods). The "difference" (which has peridically been quite substantial) was frequently referred to as capture ratio ... aka the sometimes small percentage of cpu busy that was actually accounted for
for some, the concept of capture ratio took quite a bit of time to sink thru ... since a system not accounting for all cpu usage was quite foreign concept.
running under VM ... one possible way for handling the ("captured" ... at least by vm) non-virtual processing time might be handled along with all the other "uncaptured" processor time (from the standpoint of a guest operating system running in a virtual machine).
some of this also has to be handled with LPARs w/o VM software ... since LPARs are essentially a stripped down VM subset moved into the microcode of the machine (and then you can have virtual guests running in a VM software virtual machine ... which, in turn might be running in a LPAR virtual machine ... which is finally running on the real hardware).
a few results for quicky search engine use for term capture
ratio
http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/FLASH10526
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/tividd/td/TDS390/SH19-6818-08/en_US/HTML/DRLM9mst48.htm
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/wikis/display/zosperfinstr/Controlling+SMF+Record+Production
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/library/techarticles/0407_garza/0407_garza.html
http://www.cmg.org/measureit/issues/mit38/m_38_10.html
the original cp67 system delivered to the univ. the last week of jan68 did have something slightly reminiscence of "uncaptured" ... which was actual "captured" (i.e. specifically measured processor time) that wasn't associated with any specific operation (called "overhead"). This would increase significantly as the number of concurrent processes increased (aka it scaled extremely poorly). I completely reworked that implementation to eliminate the non-scaling characteristic ... as well as being able to "account" for what was actually being done.
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:48:55 -0500Frank McCoy <mccoyf@millcomm.com> writes:
Clinton's $124 Billion Defense Increase Jeopardizes Social Security, Medicare
http://www.twf.org/News/Y1999/0118-RobPoor.html
from above:
"Islamic terrorism" helps justify defense spending
Desperate to fend off the Republican led impeachment process, President
Clinton has agreed to an $124 billion increase in defense spending over
seven years, thereby, jeopardizing his earlier commitments to education,
social security, medicare, and programs for the poor.
Measured in 1995 dollars, U.S. defense spending has declined from a Cold
War high of around $375 billion in 1988 to around $265 billion in 1997,
... snip ...
and
"The scope of the problem was driven home," writes Bradley Graham (The
Washington Post, Jan 14), after Clinton "listened to generals and
admirals cite mounting pilot shortages, ships cruising without full
crews, rising cannibalization of parts from inactive weapons to make
active ones and cutbacks in Army training."
... snip ...
somewhat related to comptroller general budget piecharts reference in
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#14 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#15 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
aka
1966 1986 2006 defense 43 28 20 net interest 7 14 9 all other spending 34 29 32 social security 15 20 21 medicare 1 10 19... snip ...
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:33:34 -0500Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
1966 1986 2006 defense 43 28 20 net interest 7 14 9 all other spending 34 29 32 social security 15 20 21 medicare 1 10 19
re:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#14 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#15 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
the piecharts also show up in some number of other recent presentations
by comptroller general
http://www.gao.gov/cghome/
... earlier show up in
U.S. Financial Condition and Fiscal Future Briefing, 7aug2007
http://www.gao.gov/cghome/d071189cg.pdf
also shows up in
DOD Transformation Challenges and Opportunities, Acquisition
Community Conference 17apr2007
http://www.gao.gov/cghome/d07789cg.pdf
and
Fiscal, Social Security, and Health Care Challenges 7Jan2007
http://www.gao.gov/cghome/d07345cg.pdf
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: more fun with new, 40yr old technology Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:19:38 -0500Systems management pioneer tackles VM management
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: 'Man in the browser' is new threat to online banking Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:27:13 -0500re:
as alluded to in previous post ... change the paradigm so that the harvested information doesn't enable financial fraud
lots of past posts mentioning fraud, risks, threats, exploits,
vulnerabilities
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#fraud
related, recent news item
FTC Report on ID Theft Shows Need for Stronger Consumer Protections
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/11-27-2007/0004712566&EDATE=
FTC Report on ID Theft Shows Need for Stronger Consumer Protections
http://www.pnnonline.org/article.php?sid=7850&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
other recent related items
FTC: 8 Million Were Victims of ID Theft in 2005
http://www.cioinsight.com/article2/0,1540,2222972,00.asp
FTC: 8.3 million US victims of ID theft in 2005
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/120307-server-virtualization-growing.html
FTC: 8.3 million US victims of ID theft in 2005
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/28/AR2007112800629.html
Wikipedia Used to Test Stolen Credit Cards
http://www.epaynews.com/index.cgi?survey=&ref=browse&f=view&id=1196190941837043222&block=
Banks Facing Major Security Costs over Government Data Leak
http://www.epaynews.com/index.cgi?survey=&ref=browse&f=view&id=1196246182837043222&block=
and this aspect:
The Cost Of Data Loss Rises
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=204301246
was also touched on in this old, long winded post
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay3.htm#riskm Thread Between Risk Management and Information Security
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: 'Man in the browser' is new threat to online banking Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:49:11 -0500re:
'Man in the Browser' attacks becoming popular among cyber criminals
http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=5635
'Man in the Browser' attacks becoming popular among cyber criminals
http://www.first.org/newsroom/globalsecurity/177262.html
Concepts Against Man-in-the-Browser Attacks
http://domainsmagazine.com/Domains_14/Domain_3759.shtml
New attacks leave online transactions vulnerable even after sign-on
authentication
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9000174
from above:
"Once that user is authenticated, they think they're OK. But instead
companies have given them a false sense of security to merrily
transact business," says David Burns, CEO of 2factor Inc. in Maumee,
Ohio.
... snip ...
another in the "naked transaction" metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#payments
part of threats/vulnerabilities that x9.59 financial standard
provided countermeasures for
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/x959.html#x959
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: more fun with new, 40yr old technology Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:02:36 -0500Real Worries About Virtualization King
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: What do YOU call the # sign? Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:46:16 -0500jmfbahciv writes:
Lick Observatory
http://www.ucolick.org/public/visitors.html
wiki sodium vapor lamps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_vapor_lamp
from above:
Light pollution considerations
For placements where light pollution is of prime importance (for example
an observatory parking lot), low pressure sodium is preferred. Sodium
emits light on only one wavelength, and therefore is the easiest to
filter out.
... snip ...
misc. old email mentioning some visits to lick observatory
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004h.html#email830822
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004h.html#email830830
related to some discussions regarding proposed berkeley 10meter
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004h.html#7 CCD technology
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004h.html#8 CCD technology
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004h.html#9 CCD technology
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005l.html#9 Jack Kilby dead
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005s.html#28 MVCIN instruction
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006t.html#12 Ranking of non-IBM mainframe builders?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007c.html#20 How many 36-bit Unix ports in the old days?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007c.html#50 How many 36-bit Unix ports in the old days?
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:05:20 -0500Walter Bushell <proto@oanix.com> writes:
quicky search engine turns up several refs ... sample
http://www.all-creatures.org/nyca/ch-hist-19711000.html
from above:
The presence of 120,000 horses in New York City, wrote one 1908
authority for example, is "an economic burden, an affront to
cleanliness, and a terrible tax upon human life." The solution to the
problem, agreed the critics, was the adoption of the "horseless
carriage."
... snip ...
and
http://www.planetizen.com/node/27721
from above:
Morris takes us back to the turn of the 20th century. Horses were the
primary mode of transportation, and they were killing our cities.
...
What saved New York (and other big cities) from this environmental
disaster? The automobile.
... snip ...
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: What do YOU call the # sign? Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:19:43 -0500re:
a little more search engine use:
San Jose: Study and report on low-pressure sodium lighting, 1980
http://www.nofs.navy.mil/about_NOFS/staff/cbl/LPSnet/SanJoseLPScost.htm
from above:
As is shown on the table, the LPS conversion would cost significantly
less than the HPS conversion ($845,000 or 20%). Furthermore, total
operating costs would be lower for a primarily LPS conversion system, as
shown in option #4 (Lowest Energy Cost). Option #6, Light Conversion
Suggested by Lick Observatory Staff, is an option suggested as a
compromise to the total LPS conversion system that Lick Observatory
would prefer. The option represents Lick Observatory's request that no
HPS luminaires be installed within a nine-mile radius of the Observatory
complex on Mount Hamilton.
... snip ...
the issue with LPS was that lots of people objected on aesthetics ... they didn't like the color.
and another wiki reference
Light pollution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_pollution
from above:
Many astronomers prefer their neighboring societies to use low pressure
sodium lights as much as possible, because the single wavelength
involved is comparably easy to filter. The low cost of operating sodium
lights is another feature. In 1980, for example, San Jose, California,
replaced all street lamps with low pressure sodium lamps, whose light is
easier for nearby Lick Observatory to filter out. Similar programs are
now in place in Arizona and Hawaii.
... snip ...
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:28:26 -0500Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
1966 1986 2006 defense 43 28 20 net interest 7 14 9 all other spending 34 29 32 social security 15 20 21 medicare 1 10 19past posts reference projections that social program obligations growing to $40trillion, totally swamping all other spending.
... and even if the whole defense budget was converted to social programs ... it would only be a short-term stopgap.
however, as noted here ... there was significant short-comings in
defense spending during much of the 90s ... which started to be
rectified with fy2000 (oct1999 thru sept2000) ... referenced here
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#24 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
Clinton's $124 Billion Defense Increase Jeopardizes Social Security, Medicare
http://www.twf.org/News/Y1999/0118-RobPoor.html
from above:
"Islamic terrorism" helps justify defense spending
Desperate to fend off the Republican led impeachment process, President
Clinton has agreed to an $124 billion increase in defense spending over
seven years, thereby, jeopardizing his earlier commitments to education,
social security, medicare, and programs for the poor.
Measured in 1995 dollars, U.S. defense spending has declined from a Cold
War high of around $375 billion in 1988 to around $265 billion in 1997,
... snip ...
so additional historical details (from budget of the fed, fiscal yr2007)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2007/hist.html
from above ... the "tables" are URLs to spreadsheet files
Section 1--Overview of Federal Government Finances
Table 1.1--Summary of Receipts, Outlays, and Surpluses or Deficits (-):
1789-2011
Table 1.2--Summary of Receipts, Outlays, and Surpluses or Deficits (-)
as Percentages of GDP: 1930-2011
Table 1.3--Summary of Receipts, Outlays, and Surpluses or Deficits (-)
in Current Dollars, Constant (FY 2000) Dollars, and as Percentages of
GDP: 1940-2011
Table 1.4--Receipts, Outlays, and Surpluses or Deficits (-) by Fund
Group: 1934-2011
... snip ...
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:58:20 -0500jmfbahciv writes:
Smokers Cost Taxpayers $10 Billion
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/11/tobacco_cost.html
from above:
If all Medicaid beneficiaries quit smoking, taxpayers would be $10
billion richer
... snip ...
other posts mentioning fed budget piechart
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#14 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#15 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#24 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#25 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#33 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:45:15 -0500Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
as mentioned in the above article, report is from RTI International ... their news release:
Current Smokers Cost Medicaid Nearly $10 Billion
http://www.techweb.com/tech/security/20021211_security
which points to copy of the report here
http://www.americanlegacy.org/Files/Policy_Report_4_-_Medicaid_Report.pdf
they also have page:
Health Care Costs
http://www.rti.org/page.cfm?nav=443
from above:
How can expenses be controlled and resources allocated so that health
costs do not outpace health care? This question is at the heart of
research that RTI conducts as a part of health economics.
... snip ...
this is similar to some of the comptroller general's comments and
presentations over the last couple yrs. misc. past comptroller general
references:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006f.html#41 The Pankian Metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006f.html#44 The Pankian Metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#9 The Pankian Metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#14 The Pankian Metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#27 The Pankian Metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#2 The Pankian Metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#3 The Pankian Metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#4 The Pankian Metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#17 The Pankian Metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#19 The Pankian Metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#33 The Pankian Metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006o.html#61 Health Care
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006p.html#17 Health Care
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006r.html#0 Cray-1 Anniversary Event - September 21st
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006t.html#26 Universal constants
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#20 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#91 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#19 Another "migration" from the mainframe
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#74 Horrid thought about Politics, President Bush, and Democrats
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#22 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#7 what does xp do when system is copying
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#1 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#13 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#14 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#15 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#24 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#25 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#33 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: What do YOU call the # sign? Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:28:46 -0500Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> writes:
followup with more information on light pollution
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#32 What do YOU call the # sign?
above article also mentions low pressure sodium is more efficient than high pressure sodium (costs less to operate for same amount of lumens).
here is more detailed comparisons of low pressure sodium, high pressure
sodium, metal halide, and mercury vapor
http://www.solarstreetlights.net/generalinfo.html
URLs that talk about pilot projects with LED streat lights
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/10/asquared_michig.php
http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/414/
http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/2007/10/ann-arbor-to-in.html
http://www.ledsmagazine.com/news/4/8/16
... but there is mention that LED lights that are more efficient than low pressure sodium aren't yet available and current LED pilot savings are the lights last longer and therefor the "manual" replacement costs are lower.
however any "more" pleasing (asthetics) tend to be white ... which by definition puts out energy across much more of the spectrum ... resulting in lots more light pollution for observatories.
wiki light pollution entry (also referenced in previous post)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_pollution
It is possible that putting out energy on much narrower spectrum helps account for energy efficiency.
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Intel memory latencies. Newsgroups: comp.arch Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:35:07 -0500Alex Colvin <alexc@TheWorld.com> writes:
misc. past posts mentioning dual i-stream 370/195 project
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#38 IBM 370/195
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#73 The Chronology
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#97 Power4 = 2 cpu's on die?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000g.html#15 360/370 instruction cycle time
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001b.html#38 Why SMP at all anymore?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001j.html#27 Pentium 4 SMT "Hyperthreading"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#63 Hyper-Threading Technology - Intel information.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002g.html#70 Pipelining in the past
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002g.html#76 Pipelining in the past
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003l.html#48 IBM Manuals from the 1940's and 1950's
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003m.html#60 S/360 undocumented instructions?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003p.html#3 Hyperthreading vs. SMP
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004.html#27 dual processors: not just for breakfast anymore?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#1 A POX on you, Dennis Ritchie!!!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004o.html#18 Integer types for 128-bit addressing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005.html#5 [Lit.] Buffer overruns
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005.html#19 The Soul of Barb's New Machine (was Re: creat)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005f.html#22 System/360; Hardwired vs. Microcoded
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005p.html#1 Intel engineer discusses their dual-core design
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005p.html#14 Multicores
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006c.html#6 IBM 610 workstation computer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006c.html#29 IBM 610 workstation computer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006d.html#0 IBM 610 workstation computer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006d.html#10 IBM 610 workstation computer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006m.html#51 The System/360 Model 20 Wasn't As Bad As All That
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006r.html#2 Was FORTRAN buggy?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006s.html#21 Very slow booting and running and brain-dead OS's?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006t.html#41 The Future of CPUs: What's After Multi-Core?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007f.html#10 Beyond multicore
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#20 Abend S0C0
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:35:34 -0500Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> writes:
however, in past threads related to similar activity ... sometimes the costs may be incurred long after cause/responsible activity (and/or purchase) ... aka the associated institutions have disappeared and/or declared bankruptcy; then costs get dumped back on the taxpayers.
this has happened in cases where there aren't fully funded programs
like some of the retirement programs which the gov. (aka taxpayer) has
inherited. past threads/posts mentioning programs not being fully
funded:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004b.html#9 A hundred subjects: 64-bit OS2/eCs, Innotek Products,
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004b.html#42 The SOB that helped IT jobs move to India is dead!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004d.html#14 The SOB that helped IT jobs move to India is dead!
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004l.html#37 I am an ageing techy, expert on everything. Let me explain
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#27 The Pankian Metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#35 The Pankian Metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#36 The Pankian Metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006l.html#53 Mainframe Linux Mythbusting (Was: Using Java in batch on z/OS?)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#20 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#91 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#93 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#7 what does xp do when system is copying
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#38 what does xp do when system is copying
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#1 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#13 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#18 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: important Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:54:56 -0500Shirish <shirishgupta7@gmail.com> writes:
and
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/96.html#16 middle layer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/96.html#17 middle layer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/98.html#50 Edsger Dijkstra: the blackest week of his professional life
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#123 Speaking of USB ( was Re: ASR 33 Typing Element)
and lots of other posts related to multi-tier
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#3tier
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Why isn't OMVS command integrated with ISPF? Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:48:58 -0500gilmap@UNIX.STORTEK.COM (Paul Gilmartin) writes:
we complained about the change-over to 3274 controller with 3278 terminal (i.e. effectively terminal manufacturing cost reduction moving a lot of components back into shared controller). having shared electronics back in 3274 controller also made 3278 terminal operations (including response) a lot slower. complaining about it basically got a response was that the significant hardware slowdown effectively wasn't noticeable since mvs (&tso) was so slow anyway that it wasn't noticeable.
post with old 3272/3274 comparisons
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#19 3270 protocol
difference also shows up later with terminal emulation and the difference between file download with "ANR" (i.e. 3272/3277) and "DCA" (i.e. 3274/3278) protocols (anr three times dca thruput)
lots of past posts mentioning terminal emulation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#emulation
for some total topic drift ... old email mentioning tso product
manager asking me if i would consider doing version of my resource
manager for mvs/tso operation (this was after marketing division
decided to start marketing CMS as the corporations strategic
interactive product)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#email800310
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006v.html#email800310b
reference in these posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#39 another blast from the past
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006v.html#23 Ranking of non-IBM mainframe builders?
in some sense, CMS provided interactive personal computing in 60s, 70s and some part of the 80s ... but then saw personal computing starting to shift to PCs.
for other folklore topic drift, cern did a report at share circa '74 about tso/cms bakeoff. internally within the company, copies of the report were classified confidential - restricted (i.e. available on need-to-know only) ... aka while they couldn't restrict its availability to customers ... they could restrict its availability to people(/employees) in marketing and product development.
... and courtesy of the science center
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech
virtual machines, cp67, cms (originally stood for cambridge monitor
system before renamed to conversational monitor system as part of
vm370 morph), gml (invented in '69 at the science center) precursor to
sgml, html, xml, etc
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#sgml
and internal network technology
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet
also used in bitnet/earn
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#bitnet
here is reference discussing transformation from sgml to html at cern
http://infomesh.net/html/history/early/
and first webserver outside europe was on slac vm370 system:
https://ahro.slac.stanford.edu/wwwslac-exhibit
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:22:21 -0500Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
1jan2002 23nov2007 .9 usd/eur 1.4 usd/eur Euro increased 55% against usd 119 yen/eur 160 yen/eur Euro increased 34% against yenif the only factor at work was the decreasing value of the dollar, then the correspondence between the euro and the yen would have remained constant and the dollar would have declined by the same amount against both the euro and the yen.
for other topic drift
Cash Continues to Decline in Europe
http://www.epaynews.com/index.cgi?survey=&ref=browse&f=view&id=1196424036837043222&block=
from above:
The value of cash payments in Europe was EURO 1,787 billion (US$2,651
billion) in 2006, accounting for 33.9 percent of total household
expenditure, down from 37.6 percent in 2002.
... snip ...
one of the other justification for european union and euros (besides creating a dollar alternative for international trade) was creating a more efficient payment system (plastic cards, electronic payments, reduce cost of doing business, especially between countries within european union). some of this is under heading of SEPA (singal euro payment area) ... wiki reference:
Single Euro Payments Area
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Euro_Payments_Area
from above
There are two major milestones for the establishment of SEPA:
* Pan-European payment instruments for credit transfers, direct debits
and debit cards, will be available from January 2008, in addition to
national ones
• At the end of 2010, all present national payment infrastructures and
payment processors should be in full competition to increase
efficiency through consolidation and economies of scale.
... snip ...
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: What do YOU call the # sign? Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,alt.folklore.computers Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:17:48 -0500"Mike Lyle" <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> writes:
one of the early 3270 fullscreen editors was EDGAR which we claimed reversed the meaning of positioning commands ... "up" operated on the file; moving the file "up" (while moving the view towards the bottom of the file), "down" moved the file "down" (while moving the view towards the top of the file). the analogy was that the screen was a window and the file was a scroll which moved across the window, commands were with respect to operations on the "scroll" ... as opposed to analogy to human perspective/gaze/view.
early typewriters had carriages that moved the paper past the typing mechanism ... "carriage return" moved the paper up and the carriage to the right ... while the typing position (relative to the location on the page moved down and to the left).
selectric and various terminal derivatives ... 1052, 2741, etc ... kept
the carriage stationary and moved the typing mechanism. commands now
tended to correspond to the movement of the typing mechanism, which noew
corresponded to the typing position on the page as well as (any) human
perspective/gaze of the typing position. for other drift, recent
post mentioning not getting 2741 terminal at home until mar70 for
remote, dialin access
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#43 Intel Ships Power-Efficient Penryn CPUs
in edgar scenario, page up/down would have been with regard to moving the (virtual paper) page up/down with respective to human perspective (and active/cursor location) ... as opposed to moving the active/cursor/view location.
one of the issues with 3270 terminals ... was that "local" operation was something like channel speed to the controller (in this case some 600kbytes/sec) and then fairly highspeed over coax out to the actual terminal ... although 3272/3277 "ANR" coax protocol with later PCs doing terminal emulation and file transfer was less than 1/10th the thruput of the channel/controller transfer rate ... and follow-on 3274/3278 "DCA" coax terminal emulation and file transfer was 1/3rd that of "ANR".
misc. past posts mentioning early 3270, fullscreen editors and edgar
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001i.html#1 History of Microsoft Word (and wordprocessing in general)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001i.html#17 History of Microsoft Word (and wordprocessing in general)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001k.html#44 3270 protocol
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#22 When did full-screen come to VM/370?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003b.html#45 hyperblock drift, was filesystem structure (long warning)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003d.html#22 Which Editor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003d.html#25 Which Editor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003e.html#29 MP cost effectiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005n.html#45 Anyone know whether VM/370 EDGAR is still available anywhere?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005n.html#47 Anyone know whether VM/370 EDGAR is still available anywhere?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005t.html#40 FULIST
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006u.html#26 Assembler question
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006u.html#28 Assembler question
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006u.html#61 Why these original FORTRAN quirks?
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:19:09 -0500Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
and now ...
Hire Learning
http://reddevnews.com/features/article.aspx?editorialsid=2373
from above:
With a huge drop in computer science grads, what will the future
workforce look like?
...
Only 1.1 percent of new students planned to major in CS, according to a
survey of incoming college freshman conducted in 2005 by the Higher
Education Research Institute (HERI). Those results underscored a
disturbing trend: HERI/UCLA survey data showed that since 2000, interest
in CS as a potential major had dropped almost 70 percent.
... snip ...
other somewhat related recent posts:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#6 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#7 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#34 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#35 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#52 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#68 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#42 Experts: Education key to U.S. competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#13 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#22 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#20 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#21 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#22 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#15 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#18 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#22 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#32 U.S. Cedes Top Spot in Global IT Competitiveness
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: new 40+ yr old, disruptive technology Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:17:38 -0500Analytics Brief: Securing The New Data Center
from above:
There's little doubt that virtualization is an important and disruptive
technology that will, in a relatively short period, change the face of
the data center. Because virtualization is so disruptive, it also will
clearly change the rules for how enterprises secure their data and their
computing infrastructure.
... snip ...
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:07:42 -0500jmfbahciv writes:
misc. posts mentioning 545 tech sq
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech
misc. posts mentioning north station
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002o.html#12 Home mainframes
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#41 TGV in the USA?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003p.html#43 Mainframe Emulation Solutions
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#7 OT Global warming
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#14 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
search engine turns up theft rates by insurance areas ... but haven't found rates by states
http://www.iii.org/media/hottopics/insurance/test4/
from above:
2006 vehicle theft, top ten metro areas by theft rate: 1 Las Vegas/Paradise, NV 22,415 1,310.40 2 Stockton, CA 7,046 1,060.96 3 Visalia-Porterville, CA 4,238 1,031.46 4 Phoenix/Mesa/Scottsdale, AZ 39,535 1,022.88 5 Modesto, CA 5,081 1,005.13 6 Seattle/Tacoma/Bellevue, WA 31,231 974.96 7 Sacramento/Arden/Arcade/Roseville, CA 19,558 957.65 8 Fresno, CA 8,363 952.96 9 Yakima, WA 2,155 930.54 10 Tucson, AZ 8,508 920.00... snip ...
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:31:05 -0500Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
and it shouldn't have been a surprise in jan99, since it was had been repeated a number of time over the yrs
More Non-Defense Spending in the Defense Budget (30Dec94)
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/cda04-13.cfm
from above:
While some of this reduction was justified after the collapse of the
Soviet Union, it is becoming clear that these cuts have gone too far,
too fast. After two years of denial, the Clinton Administration
officially acknowledged the truth about the impact of these cuts on
America's military readiness: on November 15, Secretary of Defense
William Perry revealed to Congress that one-fourth of the Army's combat
forces are not fit for battle.
... snip ...
and
Citing a General Accounting Office (GAO) study, the Heritage paper noted
that between fiscal 1990 and 1993, $10.4 billion in the defense budget
was used for such civilian activities as World Cup Soccer, the Summer
Olympics, and the National Defense Center for Environmental Excellence.
>From 1990 to 1993, spending for these types of programs rose by 238
percent even as overall defense spending fell by almost 20 percent.
... snip ...
as an aside, it is highly likely that DOD wasn't the only agency that got hit hard during this period ... and later needed a lot of reconstitution. in this period, there were quite a few non-military showing up in silicon valley looking for security related jobs (after having their fed job eliminated).
one of the tv stations news just carried a spot with clinton speaking yesterday saying that the reason that we have so many illegal aliens is because that mexican gov. is investing in the US as a result of US fed. tax cuts.
the followup commentary (on the news show) claimed that illegal aliens send $20b/yr back to mexico .. which would be a better explanation of why illegal aliens are in this country ... not because mexico gov. invests in fed. funds ... speculation was that the former president possibly met to imply that if the mexican gov. invested that money in their own country, we would have fewer illegal aliens; but nobody could come up with a connection to fed tax cuts.
earlier estimates of illegal aliens have been 20m-30m (mostly coming in via mexico) but some comment was that large number came in last yr. simplifying the math, assuming 20m ... would imply that each is sending avg $1000/annum.
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:07:09 -0500jmfbahciv writes:
from above:
Thousands of senior citizens are being warned about a computer security
breach involving the state's Prescription Advantage program.
... snip ...
Data theft touches 150,000 Massachusetts seniors, And this time, the bad
guys actually tried to use the information
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9050438&intsrc=news_ts_head
and a data breach website (doesn't yet have latest massachusetts incident)
A Chronology of Data Breaches
http://www.privacyrights.org/ar/ChronDataBreaches.htm
for a little additional topic drift ... i remember starting to get political solicitations phonecalls only after i registered for "do not call" list (apparently it is a loophole in the legislation).
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Data Center Theft Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 10:43:10 -0500timothy.sipples@US.IBM.COM (Timothy Sipples) writes:
1) gov. held all keys?
2) institutions holding keys for their own data encryption (as an
availability, business continuity and no-single-point-of-failure)?
3) all kinds of keys?, authentication as well as encryption
"1" got lots of bad press including all the swirl around clipper chip and things like LEAF
"3" authentication keys aren't really an availability issue ... and could violate some basic security principles regarding being able to associate all activities uniquely with individuals.
with all the bad press ... various key escrow activities sort of just evaporated
wiki reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_escrow
nist references
http://csrc.nist.gov/keyrecovery/
misc. past posts mentioning key escrow
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm9.htm#pkcs12 A PKI Question: PKCS11-> PKCS12
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm16.htm#11 Difference between TCPA-Hardware and a smart card (was: example: secure computing kernel needed)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm18.htm#12 dual-use digital signature vulnerability
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm23.htm#6 PGP "master keys"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001c.html#65 Key Recovery System/Product
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001h.html#7 PKI/Digital signature doesn't work
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001i.html#36 Net banking, is it safe???
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001j.html#52 Are client certificates really secure?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#39 PKI Implementation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003j.html#53 public key confusion
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004i.html#12 New Method for Authenticated Public Key Exchange without Digital Certificates
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006d.html#39 transputers again was Re: The demise of Commodore
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006d.html#40 transputers again was Re: The demise of Commodore
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007c.html#1 Decoding the encryption puzzle
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: What do YOU call the # sign? Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,alt.folklore.computers Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:10:37 -0500krw <krw@att.bizzzz> writes:
old post with similar observation:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#8 were dumb terminals actually so dumb???
not that long ago, i visited a datacenter that had some sign referring to something in excess of 120 CICS regions. they supposedly handled dataprocessing outsourcing for much of the cable tv industry ... customer service terminals, call center terminals, billing/statementing, as well as settop box downloading controls for pay-for-view and on-demand (lu0 to cable head-end interfaces).
misc. posts mentioning CICS (and/or bdam)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#bdam
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:29:14 -0500sidd@situ.com () writes:
a delaying action might serve to let the whole ratings mess settle out ... current situation is nobody is sure what the valuation is of the (credit-backed) instruments. There has been news about SEC changing the accounting process for the stuff (i.e. based on theoritical trades; aka with the current uncertainties, everybody wants to unload what they have and nobody wants to buy the stuff ... which means near zero valuation until the ratings mess settles out). Recent reference
Accounting's tug-of-war
http://www.financialweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071126/REG/711260306/1023/OTHERVIEWS
as implied with various discusssions about SEC moves, so much of the current situation rests in wall street which the FED has little direct control over.
In real time, (rebroadcast of meeting from Friday), somebody on CSPAN
is stating that problem is with securitized mortgages and is
recommending that only properly capitialized institutions can orginate
mortgages and doesn't know what the FED was thinking when it allowed
banking institutions to deal with $1.3trillion dollars in these
instruments. post mentioning big downgrade adjustment by rating
companies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#41 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
older post raising issue with ratings
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#41 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
recent posts mentioning credit/mortgage backed securities
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#25 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#28 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#4 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#12 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
slightly older postings mentioning subprime loans
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#81 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#82 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#10 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#12 IBM Unionization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#0 The Unexpected Fact about the First Computer Programmer
While I was typing the above, the program moved to another person who is talking about a society that isn't able to keep its infrastructure in shape (and society that hasn't been doing proper infrastructure investment for at least the past decade). A reference was made to comparing a taxi ride from kennedy airport with a taxi ride from beijing airport ... and trying to guess which was the 3rd world country. They moved on to several other panelists also citing serious infrastructure issues (and somebody from Cal just cited that in the 60s, the state spent 20-30percent of its budget on infrastructure, now it spends 3percent, and the state is currently "living off" prior generations).
recent "infrastructure" posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#18 Fixing our fraying Internet infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#19 Fixing our fraying Internet infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#21 Horrid thought about Politics, President Bush, and Democrats
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#60 Fixing our fraying Internet infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#62 Fixing our fraying Internet infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#25 Fixing our fraying Internet infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#48 Half a Century of Crappy Computing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#53 Fixing our fraying Internet infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#58 Fixing our fraying Internet infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#59 Fixing our fraying Internet infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#60 Fixing our fraying Internet infrastructure
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#70 Latest OECD broadband data puts US in middle of the pack on speed, price
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#1 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#25 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#0 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#1 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#12 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#13 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:53:49 -0500re:
the reference cspan broadcast (still going on)
http://www.c-span.org/
is panel discussion from friday sponsored by the New America Foundation
http://www.newamerica.net
wiki page for New America Foundation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_America_Foundation
webpage for this particular program (as well as list of panelists)
Whither the American Economy?
http://www.newamerica.net/events/2007/collapsing_bridge_21st_century
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:59:08 -0500sidd@situ.com () writes:
re:
http://www.newamerica.net/events/2007/collapsing_bridge_21st_century
from above, panelists:
# Steve Coll
President & CEO, New America Foundation
Former Managing Editor, Washington Post
# Steven Clemons
Director, American Strategy Program, New America Foundation
and publisher, www.TheWashingtonNote.com
# James K. Galbraith
Lloyd M. Bentsen Jr. Chair in Government/Business Relations
LBJ School of Public Affairs, University of Texas at Austin
# David Hale
Chairman, Hale Advisors
Former Global Chief Economist, Zurich Financial Services Group
# Simon Johnson
Economic Counsellor and Director, Research Department, International Monetary Fund
Publisher, Simon Johnson's IMF Research Blog
# Zachary Karabell
EVP, Chief Economist, Portfolio Manager
Fred Alger Management
# Janet Kavinoky
Director, Transportation Infrastructure/Congressional Public Affairs Division
U.S. Chamber of Commerce
# Joel Kotkin
Senior Fellow, New America Foundation
Author, The City: A Global History and the New Geography
# Desmond Lachman
Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute
Former Managing Director, Salomon Smith Barney
# Steve Perlstein
Economics Correspondent, Washington Post
# Bernard L. Schwartz
Chairman & CEO, BLS Investments
Chairman of the Board, Third Way
Retired Chairman & CEO, Loral Space & Communications
Co-Author, "Public Investment Works," Democracy: A Journal of Ideas (Fall 2007)
# Sherle R. Schwenninger
Director, Global Economic Policy Initiative, New America Foundation
Co-Author, "Public Investment Works," Democracy: A Journal of Ideas (Fall 2007)
... snip ...
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:35:46 -0500re:
panelists, wiki or other source:
Steve Coll
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Coll
Steven Clemons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Clemons
James K. Galbraith
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_K._Galbraith
David Hale
http://www.theglobalist.com/DBWeb/AuthorBiography.aspx?AuthorId=47
Simon Johnson's IMF Research Blog
http://blog-research.imf.org
Zachary Karabell
http://www.leadingauthorities.com/9041/Zachary_Karabell.htm
Janet Kavinoky
http://www.thetruecosts.org/press/releases/2006/october/06-163.htm
Joel Kotkin
http://www.joelkotkin.com/bio.htm
Desmond Lachman
http://www.aei.org/scholars/filter.,scholarID.72/scholar.asp
Steve Perlstein
Bernard L. Schwartz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_L._Schwartz
Sherle R. Schwenninger
http://www.newamerica.net/people/sherle_r_schwenninger
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: new 40+ yr old, disruptive technology Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:01:56 -0500CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net> writes:
this particular new, disruptive virtualization technology refers to virtual machines ... as opposed to virtual memory .... virtual memory support has been part of most of the deployed systems for some time ... so it hardly qualifies for a new (40+yr old) distruptive technology.
tss/360 and 360/67 were sold to some number of universities and other institutions. with problems cropping up in tss/360, some number of institutions looked at other solutions; U. Mich developing MTS (michigan terminal system) with virtual memory support running on 360/67 (but didn't qualify as a virtual machine system).
however, the science center
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech
had been anticipating problems with tss/360 and started on virtual machine system, cp40 ... built on a modified 360/40 with virtual memory support. when standard 360/67 became available with virtual memory, the cp40 virtual machine system morphed into cp67.
some of this is detailed in Melinda's paper, "VM and the VM Community:
Past, Present, and Future" at:
https://www.leeandmelindavarian.com/Melinda/
https://www.leeandmelindavarian.com/Melinda#VMHist
recent post with some misc. quotes
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#51 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
including
Creasy had decided to build CP-40 while riding on the MTA. "I launched
the effort between Xmas 1964 and year's end, after making the decision
while on an MTA bus from Arlington to Cambridge. It was a Tuesday, I
believe." (R.J. Creasy, private communication, 1989.)
... snip ...
and
What was most significant was that the commitment to virtual memory was
backed with no successful experience. A system of that period that had
implemented virtual memory was the Ferranti Atlas computer, and that was
known not to be working well. What was frightening is that nobody who
was setting this virtual memory direction at IBM knew why Atlas didn't
work
... snip ...
three people from science center came out and installed cp67 at the
univ. the last week jan68. I did significant rewrite of the code
between then and fall68 SHARE meeting in Atlantic City ... old post with
part of the presentation:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#18 CP/67 & OS MFT14
the above reference presentation also includes reference to a lot of performance work i had done on os360 as well as a lot of pathlength rework of cp67 kernel
while undergraduate, i also redid the page replacement algorothm and
whole paging infrastructure ... some related posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#wsclock
some other topic drift is some old email on the subject
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#globallru
and also redid the dispatching/scheduling algorithms and infrastructure
... some related posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#fairshare
a lot of institutions referred to the work as fair share scheduler ... however it was more dynamic adaptive resource manager where the default resource policy was fair share.
cp67 was installed on the science center 360/67 and then on the multiprocessor 360/67 out at lincoln labs before being installed at the univ. the last week jan68.
lincoln labs was responsible for a something called LLMPS, a simplified 360-based monitor system. Folklore is that original MTS implementation was scaffolded off LLMPS.
for more topic drift ... some past posts mentioning MTS
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/93.html#23 MTS & LLMPS?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/93.html#25 MTS & LLMPS?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/93.html#26 MTS & LLMPS?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/98.html#15 S/360 operating systems geneaology
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000.html#91 Ux's good points.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000b.html#61 VM (not VMS or Virtual Machine, the IBM sort)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000c.html#44 WHAT IS A MAINFRAME???
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#52 TSS ancient history, was X86 ultimate CISC? designs)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000g.html#0 TSS ancient history, was X86 ultimate CISC? designs)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001e.html#13 High Level Language Systems was Re: computer books/authors (Re: FA:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001h.html#24 "Hollerith" card code to EBCDIC conversion
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001h.html#71 IBM 9020 FAA/ATC Systems from 1960's
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001i.html#30 IBM OS Timeline?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001i.html#34 IBM OS Timeline?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001k.html#27 Is anybody out there still writting BAL 370.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001l.html#5 mainframe question
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001l.html#9 mainframe question
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#55 TSS/360
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#45 Valid reference on lunar mission data being unreadable?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002.html#14 index searching
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002b.html#6 Microcode?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002b.html#44 PDP-10 Archive migration plan
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#49 Hardest Mistake in Comp Arch to Fix
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002e.html#47 Multics_Security
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002f.html#47 How Long have you worked with MF's ? (poll)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002f.html#54 WATFOR's Silver Anniversary
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002i.html#63 Hercules and System/390 - do we need it?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002l.html#44 Thirty Years Later: Lessons from the Multics Security Evaluation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002m.html#28 simple architecture machine instruction set
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002n.html#54 SHARE MVT Project anniversary
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002n.html#64 PLX
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002o.html#78 Newsgroup cliques?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002q.html#29 Collating on the S/360-2540 card reader?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003b.html#0 Disk drives as commodities. Was Re: Yamhill
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003b.html#10 Disk drives as commodities. Was Re: Yamhill
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003f.html#41 SLAC 370 Pascal compiler found
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#8 A Dark Day
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003j.html#54 June 23, 1969: IBM "unbundles" software
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003k.html#5 What is timesharing, anyway?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003l.html#30 Secure OS Thoughts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003l.html#41 Secure OS Thoughts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003m.html#32 SR 15,15 was: IEFBR14 Problems
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004.html#46 DE-skilling was Re: ServerPak Install via QuickLoad Product
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004.html#47 Mainframe not a good architecture for interactive workloads
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004b.html#31 determining memory size
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004c.html#7 IBM operating systems
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004g.html#4 Infiniband - practicalities for small clusters
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004g.html#57 Adventure game (was:PL/? History (was Hercules))
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004l.html#16 Xah Lee's Unixism
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004n.html#4 RISCs too close to hardware?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004n.html#25 Shipwrecks
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004n.html#34 RISCs too close to hardware?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004o.html#20 RISCs too close to hardware?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005.html#5 [Lit.] Buffer overruns
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005.html#18 IBM, UNIVAC/SPERRY, BURROUGHS, and friends. Compare?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005e.html#57 System/360; Hardwired vs. Microcoded
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005g.html#56 Software for IBM 360/30
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005h.html#9 Exceptions at basic block boundaries
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005k.html#20 IBM/Watson autobiography--thoughts on?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005p.html#44 hasp, jes, rasp, aspen, gold
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005s.html#17 winscape?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#1 IBM 610 workstation computer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006c.html#18 Change in computers as a hobbiest
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006e.html#31 MCTS
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006e.html#40 transputers again was: The demise of Commodore
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006f.html#19 Over my head in a JES exit
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006i.html#4 Mainframe vs. xSeries
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006i.html#9 Hadware Support for Protection Bits: what does it really mean?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006i.html#22 virtual memory
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006j.html#21 virtual memory
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006k.html#41 PDP-1
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006k.html#42 Arpa address
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006m.html#42 Why Didn't The Cent Sign or the Exclamation Mark Print?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#1 The System/360 Model 20 Wasn't As Bad As All That
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006r.html#8 should program call stack grow upward or downwards?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006x.html#16 The Future of CPUs: What's After Multi-Core?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#21 history question
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007f.html#7 IBM S/360 series operating systems history
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#6 MTS *FS tape format?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#60 Scholars needed to build a computer history bibliography
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#44 64 gig memory
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#2 what does xp do when system is copying
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#15 The SLT Search LisT instruction - Maybe another one for the Wheelers
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: new 40+ yr old, disruptive technology Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:19:43 -0500re:
and misc. other recent posts mentioning new 40+ yr old, disruptive
(virtual machine) technlogy
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007f.html#59 virtual machines, the new, old thing (again)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007f.html#66 IBM System z9
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#36 Wylbur and Paging
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#61 The Perfect Computer - 36 bits?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#70 The Perfect Computer - 36 bits?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#72 The Perfect Computer - 36 bits?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#7 The Mainframe in 10 Years
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#14 when was MMU virtualization first considered practical?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#15 when was MMU virtualization first considered practical?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#16 when was MMU virtualization first considered practical?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#20 Does anyone know of a documented case of VM being penetrated by hackers?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#21 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#26 Latest Principles of Operation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#29 Does anyone know of a documented case of VM being penetrated by hackers?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#36 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#11 Newbie question on table design
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#65 Help settle a job title/role debate
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#47 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#48 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#57 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#59 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#60 3350 failures
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#65 Non-Standard Mainframe Language?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#67 Non-Standard Mainframe Language?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#74 Non-Standard Mainframe Language?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#78 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#7 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#23 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#25 Computer tube production years
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#55 Scholars needed to build a computer history bibliography
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#56 Scholars needed to build a computer history bibliography
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#65 mainframe = superserver
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#11 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#15 Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#22 Is Parallel Programming Just Too Hard?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#47 Capacity and Relational Database
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#51 Is Parallel Programming Just Too Hard?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#52 Is Parallel Programming Just Too Hard?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#53 Is Parallel Programming Just Too Hard?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#56 Capacity and Relational Database
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#57 The Development of the Vital IBM PC in Spite of the Corporate Culture of IBM
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#60 Scholars needed to build a computer history bibliography
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#64 Operating systems are old and busted
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#66 Off Topic But Concept should be Known To All
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#67 Operating systems are old and busted
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#69 Operating systems are old and busted
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#10 The top 10 dead (or dying) computer skills
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#23 What if phone company had developed Internet?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#26 VM system kept NYSE running
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#27 What if phone company had developed Internet?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#30 How would a relational operating system look like?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#35 IBM obsoleting mainframe hardware
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#87 Why is not AIX ported to z/Series?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#92 vm 35th b'day at share in san diego next week
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#96 some questions about System z PR/SM
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#3 Hypervisors May Replace Operating Systems As King Of The Data Center
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#10 IBM 8000 series
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#35 Is a RISC chip more expensive?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#37 Each CPU usage
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#38 It's No Secret: VMware to Develop Secure Systems for NSA
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#41 Virtual Storage implementation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#42 mainframe performance, was Is a RISC chip more expensive?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#45 Virtual Storage implementation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#47 Virtual Storage implementation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#53 Virtual Storage implementation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#57 ACP/TPF
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#70 The name "shell"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#73 The name "shell"
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#14 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#19 zH/OS (z/OS on Hercules for personal use only)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#28 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#35 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#36 Writing 23FDs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#69 GETMAIN/FREEMAIN and virtual storage backing up
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#72 A question for the Wheelers - Diagnose instruction
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#74 GETMAIN/FREEMAIN and virtual storage backing up
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#22 Enterprise: Accelerating the Progress of Linux
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#23 GETMAIN/FREEMAIN and virtual storage backing up
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#25 VMware: New King Of The Data Center?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#33 Google And IBM Take Aim At Shortage Of Distributed Computing Skills
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#49 Slimmed Down Windows Offers Glimpse Into Microsoft's Virtualization Ambitions
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#59 Virtualization: Everybody's Doing It, but Few Know How
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#64 Virtual Browsers: Disposable Security
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#66 Direction of Stack Growth
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#0 IBM System/3 & 3277-1
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#5 The history of Structure capabilities
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#47 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#64 CSA 'above the bar'
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#65 CSA 'above the bar'
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#68 High order bit in 31/24 bit address
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#0 Marines look for a few less servers, via virtualization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#4 Why do we think virtualization is new?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#19 Intel Ships Power-Efficient Penryn CPUs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#22 America Competes spreads funds out
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#26 Oracle Introduces Oracle VM As It Leaps Into Virtualization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#29 Intel Ships Power-Efficient Penryn CPUs
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#33 Age of IBM VM
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#35 Oracle Introduces Oracle VM As It Leaps Into Virtualization
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#40 ongoing rush to the new, 40+ yr old virtual machine technology
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#42 ongoing rush to the new, 40+ yr old virtual machine technology
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#45 "Server" processors for numbercrunching?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#48 ongoing rush to the new, 40+ yr old virtual machine technology
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#50 Running REXX program in a batch job
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#53 ongoing rush to the new, 40+ yr old virtual machine technology
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#54 ongoing rush to the new, 40+ yr old virtual machine technology
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#23 SMF Under VM
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#26 more fun with new, 40yr old technology
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#29 more fun with new, 40yr old technology
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#40 Why isn't OMVS command integrated with ISPF?
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Remembering the CDC 6600 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:32:48 -0500new article ...
Remembering the CDC 6600
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/03/tob_cdc_6600/
from above:
IBM internal memo
Thomas Watson Jr., IBM CEO, August 1963:
"Last week, Control Data ... announced the 6600 system. I understand
that in the laboratory developing the system there are only 34 people
including the janitor. Of these, 14 are engineers and 4 are
programmers... Contrasting this modest effort with our vast development
activities, I fail to understand why we have lost our industry
leadership position by letting someone else offer the world's most
powerful computer."
... snip ...
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Unsung innovators: 10 people who shaped the computer industry Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:32:07 -0500Unsung innovators: 10 people who shaped the computer industry
Unsung innovators: Jean Bartik, ENIAC programmer
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9046659
Unsung innovators: Andy Hertzfeld, technical lead for the original Macintosh system software
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9046799
Unsung innovators: Robert Kahn, the 'stepfather' of the Internet
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9046801
Unsung innovators: David Bradley, inventor of the "three-finger salute"
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9046742
Unsung innovators: Lynn Conway and Carver Mead
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9046420
Unsung innovators: Marty Goetz, holder of first software patent
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9046646
Unsung Innovators: Brad Templeton: Funny man who invented the 'dot'
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9046739
Unsung innovators: Gary Thuerk, the father of spam
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9046419
Unsung innovators: Ray Tomlinson, who put the @ sign in every e-mail address
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9046658
Unsung innovators: Ted Nelson
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9046421
for some topic drift, past posts mentioning Ted and/or Xanadu
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000g.html#26 Who Owns the HyperLink?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000g.html#40 No more innovation? Get serious
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002o.html#45 XML, AI, Cyc, psych, and literature
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002o.html#47 XML, AI, Cyc, psych, and literature
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002o.html#48 XML, AI, Cyc, psych, and literature
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002o.html#50 XML, AI, Cyc, psych, and literature
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002o.html#53 XML, AI, Cyc, psych, and literature
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003b.html#20 Card Columns
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003j.html#59 Ted Nelson, of Project Xanadu
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005s.html#12 Flat Query
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#66 BAH's Point of View
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#7 what does xp do when system is copying
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Remembering the CDC 6600 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:02:48 -0500David Librik <librik@panix.com> writes:
somewhat ("in-house") related reference:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#54 new 40+ yr old, disruptive technology
where at one point cp67/cms had 12 people and tss/360 is rumored to have had 1200 people.
past posts mentioning the two orders of magnitude difference (which
also contributed to the intra-company political problems)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#56 TSS ancient history, was X86 ultimate CISC? designs)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#65 Holy Satanism! Re: Hyper-Threading Technology - Intel information.
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#23 Mainframers: Take back the light (spotlight, that is)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002n.html#32 why does wait state exist?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002n.html#62 PLX
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003g.html#24 UltraSPARC-IIIi
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003l.html#30 Secure OS Thoughts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003m.html#16 OSI not quite dead yet
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004c.html#61 IBM 360 memory
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004f.html#55 Infiniband - practicalities for small clusters
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005b.html#13 Relocating application architecture and compiler support
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005c.html#18 [Lit.] Buffer overruns
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005f.html#45 Moving assembler programs above the line
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005j.html#16 Performance and Capacity Planning
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007f.html#9 IBM S/360 series operating systems history
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#29 sizeof() was: The Perfect Computer - 36 bits?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#60 Scholars needed to build a computer history bibliography
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: The First 100 Dot Coms Ever Registered Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:35:19 -0500The First 100 Dot Coms Ever Registered
the above mentions that in Apr85, cmu.edu, purdue.edu, rice.edu and ucla.edu were the first registered domain names; however it also mentions that the first .com domain name was symbolics.com registered 15mar85 (predating apr85?, typo?).
old post listing all the registered .com domains from oct90
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000e.html#20 Is Al Gore The Father of the Internet?
we were doing much of the corporate arpanet/internet stuff at sjr ... above mentioning that the domain was registered 19mar86 (11th registered .com domain)
and old email regarding getting class-A subnet address 16dec88
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006j.html#53 Arpa address
old csnet related email from early 80s
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/98.html#59 Ok Computer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#37a Internet and/or ARPANET?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000e.html#18 Is Al Gore The Father of the Internet?
misc. old email mentioning csnet, nsfnet backbone, internet, etc
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#nsfnet
old post mentioning number of nodes on various "networks" circa start of
1985
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006t.html#50 The Future of CPUs: What's After Multi-Core?
with the number of arpanet/internet nodes passing the number of internal
network nodes later in 1985
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet
recent posts referencing dns archeology
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#33 Even worse than UNIX
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#48 Half a Century of Crappy Computing
other posts mentioning csnet activity:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#7 IBM S/360
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#37b Internet and/or ARPANET?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#38c Internet and/or ARPANET?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000d.html#58 Is Al Gore The Father of the Internet?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000d.html#72 When the Internet went private
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000d.html#77 Is Al Gore The Father of the Internet?^
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000e.html#11 Is Al Gore The Father of the Internet?^
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000e.html#19 Is Al Gore The Father of the Internet?^
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#51 Al Gore and the Internet (Part 2 of 2)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001e.html#76 Stoopidest Hardware Repair Call?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#48 Author seeks help - net in 1981
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#54 Author seeks help - net in 1981
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#5 Author seeks help - net in 1981
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#14 Security glossary available
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002e.html#6 LISTSERV(r) on mainframes
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002g.html#45 Why did OSI fail compared with TCP-IP?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002h.html#82 Al Gore and the Internet
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002k.html#26 DEC eNet: was Vnet : Unbelievable
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002p.html#39 20th anniversary of the internet (fwd)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002p.html#61 20th anniversary of the internet (fwd)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004g.html#31 network history
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004l.html#0 Xah Lee's Unixism
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004o.html#47 Integer types for 128-bit addressing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005e.html#46 Using the Cache to Change the Width of Memory
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005n.html#16 Code density and performance?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#8 Free to good home: IBM RT UNIX
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006j.html#34 Arpa address
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006j.html#49 Arpa address
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006k.html#3 Arpa address
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006k.html#12 Arpa address
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006k.html#40 Arpa address
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006q.html#25 garlic.com
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006t.html#43 The Future of CPUs: What's After Multi-Core?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006t.html#50 The Future of CPUs: What's After Multi-Core?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006v.html#35 What's a mainframe?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#44 more secure communication over the network
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#19 NSFNET (long post warning)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007c.html#2 some old network related discussion
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#31 old tapes
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#84 The Perfect Computer - 36 bits?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#67 nouns and adjectives
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#17 What if phone company had developed Internet?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#22 What if phone company had developed Internet?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#24 What if phone company had developed Internet?
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: The First 100 Dot Coms Ever Registered Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:03:26 -0500Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
for other topic drift, old email reference doing .com domain name change over between 22Apr86 and 23Apr86
Date: 04/22/86 13:47:56
From: wheeler
To: copy list
re: phone call;
In previous meetings with <telco> execs ... they expressed their
desire/preference for a long term joint development relationship with
IBM. I did not rule that out but said that other options would also be
explored. I stated that the critical path was a detailed evaluation of
<product> in order to answer several questions like
a) what functions currently exist, what customer problems do they
solve (and therefor how would it be marketed)
b) what critical functions don't exist (if any) ... i.e. what
effort/resources would be required to add missing pieces
c) what is the code quality like ... & therefor what support &
development resources will be required to support an offering.
...
.... Lynn Wheeler, K83/801, ALM-RES, 457-2680(408-927)/273-4536
CSNET: Wheeler@IBM-SJ ARPANET: Wheeler.IBM-SJ@RAND-Relay
... snip ... top of post, old email index
first email i had referencing the new domain name (reply to somebody
at corporate networking about problem we had seen with the internal
network, aka unrelated to anything with internet):
Date: 04/23/86 05:59:13
From: wheeler
To: VNETCMC
hard to tell, new code is up and running ... but since xxxx apparently
fixed the NJI line-driver ... and we never saw it anywhere else ...
not even sure exactly what was happening ... I don't know.
.... Lynn Wheeler, K83/801, ALM-RES, 457-2680(408-927)/273-4536
CSNET/ARPANET: Wheeler@IBM.COM
... snip ... top of post, old email index
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Crypto Related Posts Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:38:30 -0500patrick.okeefe@WAMU.NET (Patrick O'Keefe) writes:
required encryption on all traffic that left corporate facility (like
inter-site traffic). when most places were doing 9.6kbit, we were
working on full-duplex T1 ... and looking at associated problems in HSDT
project
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#hsdt
old email reference looking at problem supporting full duplex T1 on 3081
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#email841115
in this post discussing encryption technology
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#36 The very first text editor
part of the effort was looking at being able to move past hardware link encryptors as solution to the opportunities (which was the default state-of-the-art at the time).
other old crypto related email
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#crypto
included old email reference to a non-certificate-based public key
infrastructure for more secure communication over the network
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email810515
in this post:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#12 more secure communication over the network
other recent posts to discontinuity between the hsdt project (doing T1
and faster interconnects) while other operations were still looking at
9.6kbit with some move to ("high-speed") 56kbit
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#45 Are there tasks that don't play by WLM's rules
for other old topic drift ... we had been called to come in and
consult with this small client/server startup that wanted to do
payments on their server
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#gateway
and they had this technology they invented called SSL that they wanted
to use as part of the implementation. we had to do some end-to-end
studies looking at how to apply the technology to the business
processes, some related posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subpubkey.html#sslcerts
afterwards we participated in the x9a10 financial standard working
group that in the mid-90s had been given the requirement to preserve
the integrity of the financial infrastructure for all retail payments.
the result was the x9.59 financial standard
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/x959.html#x959
x9.59 took a slightly different approach, in part because of detailed end-to-end threat and vulnerability analysis involving retail payments; basically identifying significant authentication vulnerability which then led to requirements for hiding transaction information ... as countermeasure to crooks obtaining the information and being able to perform fraudulent transactions.
the observation was that the transaction information was needed at a large number of different processes, potentially occurring over extended period of time ... and as a result, even if the planet was buried under miles of crypto ... it still couldn't prevent information leakage.
the x9.59 financial standard approach was then to fix the underlying
weakness, lack of strong authentication ... which also then eliminated
needing to hide the transaction information from crooks (since the
information was useless w/o the proper authentication). some of this
is discussed in the posts concerning the naked transaction metaphor
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#payments
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Remembering the CDC 6600 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:15:13 -0500Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
aka courtesy of the science center, 4th flr, 545 tech sq
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech
of course, virtual machines, cp40, cp67/cms, etc weren't
the only efforts that came out of the science center ... recent
posts with some additional references
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#40 Why isn't OMVS command integrated with ISPF?
as well as the internal network technology
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet
and a little topic drift/x-over, a couple recent posts/referneces
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#59 The first 100 Dot Coms Ever Registered
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#60 The first 100 Dot Coms Ever Registered
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#61 Crypto Related Posts
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Remembering the CDC 6600 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:19:11 -0500Walter Bushell <proto@oanix.com> writes:
the seven dwarfs predated the 360 ... and (from 2nd hand information) there was testimony in anti-trust case by one of the "dwarfs" claiming that in the late 50s, all the computer vendors "knew" the single most important requirement to be successful (in the business) required compatibility across the product line. when ibm was the only vendor to accomplish this, allowing it to grow to dominate the market (leaving small niches and left-overs for the others).
subsequent analysis could claim that this was a period of high growth, singe machine installation was micro-optimization which more than lost as customer grew and needed machine upgrading.
part of the testimony was supposedly (other vendor) individual plant managers would deviate from compatibility in order to offer incremental advantage vis-a-vis other products from the same vendor (sacrificing overall corporate strategic advantage for individual product tactical advantage).
part of ibm strategic direction was to leverage microprogramming layer to achieve capatible programming machine architecture. especially in the low & mid-range ... this would typically cost a factor of ten times in performance (i.e. there was avg. of ten microprocessor instructions per 360 instruction). niche offerings in the 60s could come in with native programmed machine offering with effectively ten times the mip rate for similar hardware technology.
misc. past posts mentioning the single most important requirement
recognized by all vendors in the 50s:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#44 bloat
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/96.html#20 1401 series emulation still running?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#231 Why couldn't others compete against IBM?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001j.html#33 Big black helicopters
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001j.html#38 Big black helicopters
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001j.html#39 Big black helicopters
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#85 The demise of compaq
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002c.html#0 Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003o.html#43 Computer folklore - forecasting Sputnik's orbit with
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005k.html#0 IBM/Watson autobiography--thoughts on?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005k.html#4 IBM/Watson autobiography--thoughts on?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006q.html#60 Was FORTRAN buggy?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007f.html#77 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#42 1960s: IBM mgmt mistrust of SLT for ICs?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#34 IBM 8000 ???
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#8 what does xp do when system is copying
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: new 40+ yr old, disruptive technology Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:23:30 -0500re:
aka virtual machine virtualization ...
Server virtualization in two-thirds of enterprises by '09, Forrester
predicts; IBM, HP, Microsoft urged to upgrade virtualization tools
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/120607-can-mid-market-merchants-comply-with.html
from above:
The latest report finds that 37% of IT departments have virtualized
servers already, and another 13% plan to do so by July 2008. An
additional 15% think they will virtualize x86 servers by 2009.
... snip ...
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Remembering the CDC 6600 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:48:33 -0500Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
the 360 was for the rapidly growing and expanding commercial market ... becoming by far the largest of the markets ... and with the requirement for compatible line allowing growing businesses to upgrade.
while there were tactical disadvantages using microcode to create compatible line ... the enormous strategic advantage of a compatible line allowed it to dominate the market (something that had been recognized by all the players in the late 50s).
there were other markets which used things like 1130 and system/7
All about the IBM 1130 Computing System
http://ibm1130.org/
System/7 chronology
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/system7/system7_chronology.html
this commercial ... and especially batch, market segment is
related to some of my past comments about cp67 timesharing
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#timeshare
vis-a-vis os360 ... aka while cp67 installs were as large as many other vendors total timesharing ... they were so dwarfed by the commercial os360 batch installs ... as to be frequently discounted/disregarded.
of course the corporation attempted to completely abandon 360 in the
early 70s with the future system effort; misc. past posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys
issue was that the 360 market had become so large ... that several vendors were finding very profitable business selling plug-compatible i/o controllers (this business had grown so large that some of the pcm companies had sales larger than total business of some of the dwarfs).
i've mentioned before being involved in building a clone/pcm controller
as an undergradate ... activity that got written as spawning some amount
of the clone controller business
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#360pcm
however, future system was killed before even being announced and the company found itself stuck with 360/370 despite itself.
the folklore is then some of the future system survivors retreated to
rochester and created system/38.
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/rochester/rochester_4009.html
later as/400 was created as follow-on to system/38.
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/rochester/rochester_4010.html
initially, as/400 was going to be implemented with one of the 801 risc
iliads ... part of corporate strategy in the early 80s to migrate the
myriad array of different microprocessors to common 801 risc base.
misc. old email ... some discussing early 80s iliad strategy
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#801
and lots of posts mentioning 801, risc, iliad, romp, rios, power,
power/pc, somerset, etc
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#801
iliad strategy ran into lots of problems and a cisc microprocessor was "quickly" produced as replacement for as/400 use. later in the 90s, as/400 finally did move off cisc to 801 risc processor.
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: What do YOU call the # sign? Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:40:49 -0500jmfbahciv writes:
misc. recent posts mentioning having to add tty/ascii terminal support to
cp67 (which originally only had 1052 and 2741)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#27 How many 36-bit Unix ports in the old days?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#14 ISPF not productive
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#37 The Perfect Computer - 36 bits?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#76 Linux: The Completely Fair Scheduler
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#78 IBM 360 Model 20 Questions
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#11 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran developer, dies
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#21 Non-Standard Mainframe Language?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#62 Friday musings on the future of 3270 applications
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#4 what does xp do when system is copying
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#21 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#74 System 360 EBCDIC vs. ASCII
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#33 Age of IBM VM
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: new 40+ yr old, disruptive technology Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:57:13 -0500re:
and more on sun getting into the virtual machine fray
Sun itching to release its virtualization platform
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/04/sun_xvm_ops_center_release/
from above:
Sun is sneaking off to a nice quiet closet to birth xVM Ops Center, the
physical and virtual resource management stack for the xVM product
family. This puppy will be available January 8, 2008.
... snip ...
and
Sun is heralding in Ops by releasing the source code used to build the
software on the OpenxVM.org community site this month. The Common Agent
Container source code will hit Dec. 10, 2007.
... snip ...
Welcome to OpenxVM
http://www.openxvm.org/
from above:
By combining virtualization software and data center automation tools,
OpenxVM technology provides the technologies to operate data centers at
radically reduced costs.
... snip ...
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 09:43:19 -0500ibm-main@SNACONS.COM (Roger Bowler) writes:
also referenced in the above, there was an failed/aborted attempt to
take a large detour in the early 70s with the future system
effort
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys
motivated by the growth in the plug-compatible controller business ...
discussed in more detail in this recent post
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#74 System 360 EBCDIC vs. ASCII
it was in the FS period that Amdahl launched his plug-compatible processor business. In the early 70s, Amdahl gave a talk at MIT where he was quizzed about it. One of the questions was what justification did he use to raise funding for the company. The response was something about customers had already spent $200b in 360-based application software, and even if IBM were to totally walk away from 360 (could possibly be considered a veiled reference to the future system project), that software base would be sufficient to keep him in business through the end of the century (i.e. the $200b number was less than a decade after 360 had been announced).
The future system distraction drew a lot of resources away from 370 activities. When future system was finally killed, there was mad scramble to get software and hardware products back into the 370 product pipeline. The lack of products in the 370 product pipeline possibly contributed to market opportunities for clone processor vendors.
The 303x were part of that mad scramble ... which was effectively started in parallel with what was to become 3081 and 370-xa.
recent post going into details of 303x effort
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#1 what does xp do when system is copying
however, it was the long lead-time to do mvs/xa and the associated mad scramble that led to justification to kill vm370 and transfer everybody from the burlington mall vm370 group to pok ... supposedly as necessary in order to meet the mvs/xa schedule. endicott eventually did manage to acquire the vm370 product mission and keep it alive ... but effectively had to reconstitute the group from scratch.
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers To: <ibm-main@bama.ua.edu> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:13:44 -0500Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
i wasn't exactly unbiased ... i had somewhat ridiculed the future system effort during the period (drawing comparison with a cult movie that had been playing down in central sq) and continued to work on 370 stuff (including making statements about the resource manager, that i already had running, was better than the theoritical pipe dreams being specified in future system architecture documents).
slightly related old email from the period
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006v.html#email731212
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email750102
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email750430
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email750827
the mad rush, after FS was killed, contributed to decisions to pickup some of the work (that i had continued to do) and ship it in products.
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Remembering the CDC 6600 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:35:29 -0500Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
one might make the case that the drawfs didn't so much decline ... but w/o a compatible product line they didn't participate in the rapidly growing commercial dataprocessing during the 60s (aka their market share became smaller as the size of the market rapidly increased).
re:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#68 T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#69 T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly
one could claim that the enormous customer investment in 360 application software (referenced in the above) was motivated/justified because the software would continue to be useful as they moved to different processors in the product line (aka that strategic advantage could significantly overshadow any shortterm tactical advantage related to any specific processor).
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:33:33 -0500lindy.mayfield@SSF.SAS.COM (Lindy Mayfield) writes:
after the 23jun69 unbundling announcement
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#unbundle
Prior to unbundling, new/young system engineers acquired quite a bit of their knowledge, working as part of team at customer installations. the unbundling announcement pretty much put an end to this apprentice-like activity. In the 60s, while an undergraduate at the univ, i was doing a large number of os/360 enhancements ... and prior to unbundling, they would cycle new SEs thru the univ. every six months (that I would get to train).
HONE started out creating a number of cp67 virtual machine datacenters that would support branch office system engineers running (guest) operating systems. The cp67 virtual machine systems (running on real 360/67s) included enhancements supporting simulation of the newly announced (pre-virtual memory) 370 instructions (allowing newer guest operating system versions to be run).
The science center
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech
had also ported apl\360 to cms\apl and reworked it for operation in a virtual memory environment (including arbitrarily large workspaces, up to 16mbytes, rather than the somewhat "toy" apl\360 workspaces that were typically 16kbytes to 32kbytes).
CMS\APL on HONE was leveraged to also deploy a large number of sales and marketing support applications. These applications soon dominated HONE utilization and the original HONE purpose somewhat withered away. For example, by the mid-70s, it was no longer possible to submit a customer order that hadn't first been processed by HONE "configurators" and/or other applications (although by this time, HONE had migrated to VM370 and APL\CMS).
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Remembering the CDC 6600 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:58:37 -0500"Del Cecchi" <delcecchiofthenorth@gmail.com> writes:
sorry, i wasn't trying for exhaustive account, especially since I knew little or no details.
I did reference rochester archive site ... which has an
URL for Rochester chronology:
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/rochester/rochester_chronology.html
as well as this URL which lists many rochester products:
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/rochester/rochester_album.html
and while i mentioned the 1130 and system/7, i also didn't exhaustively
list the 1800 (and probably lots of other machines)
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/vintage/vintage_4506VV4022.html
for other topic drift ... RAID was invented '78 in san jose
http://domino.watson.ibm.com/comm/pr.nsf/pages/news.20001113_nmt.html
and s/38 was early adopter, likely because of filesystem operational problems.
when they let me play disk engineer in bldgs. 14&15
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#disk
I got to work some with the original raid inventor.
for other tss/360, future system, s/38 topic drift ... besides all the other problems that caused future system to tank, FS was doing some of the same stuff that gave tss/360 so much problems (and continued into s/38).
this reference alludes
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#54 new 40+ yr old, disruptive technology
to science center
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech
in part, justifying virtual machine effort because of the lack of operational understanding of virtual memory.
tss/360 had problems with virtual memory operation ... but also with its flavor of paged-mapped filesystem ... which can be claimed to have continued through the FS effort and into s/38.
as alluded to here
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#69 T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly
i wasn't exactly complimentary of FS activity, including believing that some of the implemenations, that I had already done, were superior to what was in FS specs (even some stuff that I had implemented as undergraduate in the 60s, including redoing the cp67 virtual memory implementation).
while i had redone the cp67 virtual memory implementation as an undergraduate (which shipped in standard cp67 product, was initially dropped in the morph from cp67 to vm370 but was later introduced with the resource manager), i didn't do anything about page-mapped filesystem until the early 70s. I had observed a lot of the problems that tss/360 was having grappling with its kind of one-level-store implementation and was determined to not make the same mistakes.
In the early 70s, I did a page-mapped filesystem implementation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#mmap
for (cp67) cms which I then ported to vm370 cms ... somewhat alluded
in the previous reference and in these old emails
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006v.html#email731212
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email750102
the page-mapped filesystem enhancements never shipped in the standard product ... but I shipped it internally to numerous internal corporate datacenters.
I could show that page-mapped filesystem changes
• significantly reduce filesystem pathlength overhead • allowed dynamically adapting how the operations were performed based on real resources and contention • could significantly reduce elapsed time for filesystem operation
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: Remembering the CDC 6600 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:41:56 -0500Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
CDC Historical Timeline
http://www.cbi.umn.edu/collections/cdc/histtimeline.html
CDC Product Timeline
http://www.cbi.umn.edu/collections/cdc/prodtimeline.html
Control Data Spin-Offs and Start-Ups
http://enterpriseinnovator.com/index.php?articleID=14006§ionID=5
and wiki refs
Control Data Corporation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_Data_Corporation
CDC 6600
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDC_6600
CDC 6000 series
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDC_6000_series
Above mentions 6600 designed by Seymour Cray and James Thornton.
for other drift ... a few past posts mentioning Thornton
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001.html#19 Disk caching and file systems. Disk history...people forget
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001.html#20 Disk caching and file systems. Disk history...people forget
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003j.html#18 why doesn't processor reordering instructions affect most
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004k.html#29 CDC STAR-100
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: What do YOU call the # sign? Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 00:26:18 -0500Walter Bushell <proto@oanix.com> writes:
some amount of glass teletype support transitioned to cursor positioning commands to optimize writing a screen with minimum transmission of characters.
this got fairly common in corporate home terminal program as they started distribution of 3101/topaz.
recent posts mentioning 3101/topaz:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007e.html#15 The Genealogy of the IBM PC
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#39 sizeof() was: The Perfect Computer - 36 bits?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#40 DEC and news groups
a little later PC terminal emulators ... misc. posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#emulation
would get pretty sophisticated with things like directory-like
indexing of previously transmitted character strings. recent post
mentioning PCTERM ... a terminal emulator where the host-side might
keep tens of kilobytes of previous screen transmission (more than just
previous couple screens)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#66 The use of "script" for program
when i had added tty terminal support to cp67 in the 60s, I pretty much had to use null transmission to coordinate typing with carriage return ... since the terminal controller interface had little real-time feedback to the processor of what was going on.
however, that somewhat changed when I ran into various limitations with the standard mainframe communication controller ... which was somewhat behind prompting the university to start a project to build a clone communication controller that started out using interdata/3 as a base (later expanded to an interdata/4 for the host interface coupled with multiple interdata/3s as dedicated port line-scanners).
one of the things I had attempted with the standard communication controller was being able to do dynamically terminal recognition and re-associated specific line-scanner type (for 1052, 2741, or tty/ascii) with specific port. This worked except for the problem of changing the oscillator line-speed when the line-scanner type was changed (i could switch 2741 line-scanner and tty line-scanner on a port, but i couldn't dynamically change the port line-speed setting). With the interdata/3 ... the line-scanner was implemented in software which included being able to implemenent various real-time functions ... including strobing signal rise/fall boundaries for dynamic line speed recognition.
recent posts mentioning doing mainframe clone controller
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#39 Translation of IBM Basic Assembler to C?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#74 System 360 EBCDIC vs. ASCII
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#33 Age of IBM VM
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#65 Remembering the CDC 6600
misc. past posts mentioning mainframe clone controllers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#360pcm
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:19:02 -0500Lon Stowell <lon.stowell@comcast.net> writes:
360 psw bit 12 was ascii bit
360/67 extended PSW
0-3 spare
4 24-32 bit virtual address mode
5 translation control
6 i/o mask summary
7 external mask
8-11 protection key
12 ascii-8 mode
13 machine check mask
14 wait state
15 problem state
16-17 instruction length
18-19 condition code
20-23 program mask
24-31 spare
there is "secondary-space" mode for dual-address space eventually
introduced for 3033 ... effectively a subset of the more general
access registers that were to come later.
i've done a q&d converstion of (370) gcard ios3270 at
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/gcard.html
The 360/67 "blue" card, I guess had extra space and so they threw in
device sense bytes. Long ago and far away, I had enhanced the original
gcard ios3270 with sense byte information (including adding in some
devices that weren't on the original 360/67 blue card) ... aka
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/gcard.html#17
(370) PSW formats are
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/gcard.html#5
370 bit 12 becomes control over basic/extended PSW (old 360 ascii bit)
there is 370 extended psw bit 16 indicating "secondary-space" mode.
there is 370-xa psw where bit 32 indicates 31-bit address mode.
dual-address space mode ... introduced to try and fix the limitations with preserving pointer passing API paradigm even after system was dealing with pointer-passing between services in totally different virtual address spaces (original solution was the common segment ... but larger installations were growing the common segment size until there would be no virtual address space left at all for applications).
recent posts discussing common segment and dual-address space mode:
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#14 Some IBM 3033 information
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#27 user level TCP implementation
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#28 IBM 360 Model 20 Questions
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#71 IBM 360 Model 20 Questions
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#10 IBM 8000 series
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#21 Newsweek article--baby boomers and computers
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#68 Direction of Stack Growth
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#56 CSA 'above the bar'
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:56:36 -0500Herbie.VanDalsen@ELAVON.COM (Van Dalsen, Herbie) writes:
... 360/67 had 24bit & 32bit addressing modes, also referenced
in this post
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#75 T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly
after future system was killed
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys
there was mad rush to get out 303x in parallel with starting on xa. the architecture documents for xa, subchannel infrastructure, access registers, et all were referred to as "811". I had fairly complete copy ... they were individually numbered copies, classified at the highest level ... requiring special double-lock security filecabinet and periodic auditing.
apparently information about people with copies leaked out and several people were approached ... aka industrial espionage ... and the feds eventually were involved.
part of it involved the extrodinary lead time to move mvs to anything
... reference to killing vm370 product because they needed all the
developers moved to pok to help meet mvs/xa delivery schedule
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007t.html#68 T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly
even before 811 documents were published we had put together a project
to turn out a 16-way smp processor on a very aggresive delivery
schedule. it was going great guns until it came to the attention of the
head of pok that it would possibly be decades before mvs ever had 16-way
smp support (some people were then invited to never show up at the pok
site again). misc. past posts mentioning smp support (and/or
compare&swap instruction)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#smp
there was small advanced technology conference in pok spring of 77 (a
little over 30yrs ago) with presentations on both 16-way smp and 801
risc ... for lots of topic drift, misc. 801 risc posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#801
misc. post posts mentioning 811
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000d.html#21 S/360 development burnout?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#8 Security Proportional to Risk (was: IBM Mainframe at home)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#9 Security Proportional to Risk (was: IBM Mainframe at home)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#49 Hardest Mistake in Comp Arch to Fix
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#51 Hardest Mistake in Comp Arch to Fix
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002j.html#28 ibm history note from vmshare
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002k.html#34 30th b'day .... original vm/370 announcement letter (by popular demand)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002m.html#28 simple architecture machine instruction set
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002n.html#58 IBM S/370-168, 195, and 3033
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003c.html#1 Wanted: Weird Programming Language
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004c.html#6 If the x86 ISA could be redone
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004g.html#24 |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| questions
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005j.html#34 IBM Plugs Big Iron to the College Crowd
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005j.html#35 IBM Plugs Big Iron to the College Crowd
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005p.html#18 address space
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005s.html#26 IEH/IEB/... names?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#28 Multiple address spaces
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006f.html#20 Old PCs--environmental hazard
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006j.html#27 virtual memory
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006j.html#31 virtual memory
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#16 On the 370/165 and the 360/85
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#27 sorting was: The System/360 Model 20 Wasn't As Bad As All That
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006t.html#16 Is the teaching of non-reentrant HLASM coding practices ever defensible?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#57 IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is falling!!)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#28 IBM 360 Model 20 Questions
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#71 IBM 360 Model 20 Questions
misc. posts mentioning 16-way smp support
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#5 Who started RISC? (was: 64 bit Linux?)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#6 801
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#11 801 & power/pc
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/97.html#5 360/44 (was Re: IBM 1130 (was Re: IBM 7090--used for business or
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/98.html#40 Comparison Cluster vs SMP?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002i.html#82 HONE
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002p.html#58 AMP vs SMP
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003.html#4 vax6k.openecs.org rebirth
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003.html#5 vax6k.openecs.org rebirth
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004f.html#26 command line switches [Re: [REALLY OT!] Overuse of symbolic
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004m.html#53 4GHz is the glass ceiling?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005k.html#45 Performance and Capacity Planning
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005m.html#48 Code density and performance?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005p.html#39 What ever happened to Tandem and NonStop OS ?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005r.html#46 Numa-Q Information
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006c.html#40 IBM 610 workstation computer
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006l.html#30 One or two CPUs - the pros & cons
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#37 History: How did Forth get its stacks?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006r.html#22 Was FORTRAN buggy?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006t.html#7 32 or even 64 registers for x86-64?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006t.html#9 32 or even 64 registers for x86-64?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#17 The Perfect Computer - 36 bits?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#44 1960s: IBM mgmt mistrust of SLT for ICs?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#57 IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is falling!!)
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007l.html#26 Is Parallel Programming Just Too Hard?
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#13 Is Parallel Programming Just Too Hard?
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> Subject: Re: T3 Sues IBM To Break its Mainframe Monopoly Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers To: <ibm-main@bama.ua.edu> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:46:35 -0500Herbie.VanDalsen@ELAVON.COM (Van Dalsen, Herbie) writes:
for other topic drift, a big part of the queued subchannel i/o interface was to compensate for the enormous mvs pathlength to (re)drive i/o ... lots of i/o idle between the end of the previous operation and initiating the next operation.
part of this was also predicated that during the 70s, systems started to shift from being significantly processor constrained/bottlenecked to more and more being i/o bottlenecked.
i had started pointing this out early ... and at one point some disk division executive assinged their performance group to refute the characterizations (i.e. over more than a decade, the relative disk system thruput had declined by an order of magnitude; aka disks got faster ... but other parts of systems had gotten an order of magnitude faster still). after some period they came back and pointed out that I had slightly understated the problem. this eventually turned into share presentation on how to optimize systems for disk thruput.
the initial justification was that the queued interface allowed just moving the redrive operation from mvs kernel into the microcode of the same processor (not even offloaded to different processor); that the microcode engineers could do a significantly better redrive implementation than the mvs software developers.
i had worked on a 5-way smp project in 75 where the processor complex
had significant microcode capability ... some past posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#bounce
and i had defined a queued i/o interface ... but it included being able to offload much of it to a separate/dedicated processor. i had also defined a queued microcode interface for dispatching ... allowing processors to pick off work w/o having to go thru the kernel function. this was canceled w/o shipping ... and some of the same people then reconstituted to work on 16-way smp effort mentioned in previous post.
i was allowed to play disk engineer in bldgs. 14&15 ... misc. posts
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#disk
and one of the things i worked on was the whole "testcell" testing infrastructure that was being done on stand-alone dedicated machines. They had tried MVS at one point with a single testcell but experienced 15mins MTBF (hangs, crashes, etc, requiring manual intervention and MVS reboot). I undertook to rewrite the i/o supervisor so that multiple testcells could be tested concurrently an the same machine in an operating system environment. This turned out to have very low processor utilization and so the engineers started also using the "test" machines for other purposes.
bldg 15 got one of the first 3033 engineering machines (outside of POK) for disk testing. partly because things were going very well ... they also managed to put together 16 3330 disk drives and 3830 controllers where the machine could be concurrently used for other purposes.
this was during a period when there was heavy 3880 controller development and testing going on.
at one point there was a "formal" product performance acceptance test for the 3880 done in STL using standard operating system testing.
then bright and early one monday i got a call from the engineers in bldg 15 asking what i had done over the weekend to totally destroy their system thruput. I said I hadn't done anything ... and they claimed they hadn't done anything. So i had to start diagnosing what went on.
It turns out that over the weekend, they had replaced the 3830 (for the string of 16 3330 drives) with a 3880 controller. The problem was that the implementation in the move from 3830 to 3880, they went from a ("fast") horizontal microcoded processor to a much slower vertical microcoded processor (with a separate data path). As a result, the 3880 had much slower command and function processing ... and initially failed the "formal" product performance acceptance test. The 3880 was then tweaked to present "early" interrupt to the channel (indicating operation complete) before the 3880 had actually finished all its operation. Then the 3880 could complete its operation in parallel with the operating system processing the interrupt and getting around to redriving i/o. This didn't bother the standard operating system formal performance acceptance tests.
The problem was that I had significantly redone the I/O subsystem, not only to make it much more reliable and available than standard MVS ... but interrupt processing was dramatically faster than standard MVS ... and would get around to redriving i/o .... before the 3880 controller had finished its housekeeping. Hitting the 3880 controller while it was still busy cleaning up the previous operation ... then resulted in a whole bunch more 3880 controller overhead. The net was that the thruput of 3880 was significantly worse than 3830 controller in the same exact configuration.
The whole net of this was that I claimed that I could come within a couple percent of the XA queued I/O interface thruput ... using standard 370 instruction implementation (w/o sacrificing reliability or availability) ... assuming that it was still same processor ... queued i/o was being performed by microcode on the same processor running 370 instruction microcode ... not offloaded to dedicated microprocessor (as I had defined in '75 as part of the 5-way smp project) aka initial XA queued I/O architecture change justification was based on just redoing MVS i/o interrupt and redrive instructions in microcode, running on the same processor.
Later 3090, had to add additional TCM for more channels needed in every 3090 system. Original 3090 thruput and manufacturing had been spec'ed on 3830 controller channel busy overhead per operation. The 3880 controller also significantly drove up channel busy overhead per operation, resulting in needing a lot more channels in order to achieve target 3090 system thruput. There was some rumbling about POK getting the corporation to debit the disk division for the increased 3090 manufacturing costs for each additional TCM.